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~IF A PATIENT "CHOOSES" TO ALLOW THEMSEVES TO DIE,IS IT SUCIDE?~LSG

  Author:  15070  Category:(Debate) Created:(2/12/2001 9:27:00 PM)
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Pop Quiz: You find out you have a terminal illness.Your pain will get worse.You will NOT recover.And your family & friends must suffer the financial, and personal burden of caring for you.The cost of your care could bankrupt them, if you linger.You CHOOSE to refuse substance & drink, except a little water with your meds.IS IT SUICIDE?WHY? or WHY NOT?

Should the family respect the patients wishes & allow this to happen? Are they assisting a SUICIDE?

I personally do not believe this is SUICIDE.I believe it is making a decision to refuse treatment.

What are YOUR thoughts on the matter?

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Date: 2/12/2001 9:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 19927    I do not believe that it would be suicide.Personally,if tha tperson is suffering mentally,physically,and emotionally,then i'm sure he or she would want to end the pain.Plus,for the well being of his/her relatives in fear they will go bankruptfor caring for the ill patient,i'm pretty sure he/she would want to end their life for that reason also.I do not believe it could be suicide.no way. *CC*  
Date: 2/12/2001 9:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 11723    The question of Euthenasia. I don't think it is wrong. So long as the Patient is consenting in the matter. If there is no hope in recovery and things only get worse and worse and eventually unbearable...why should the person be left to suffer. I think it is acutally inhumane to keep them alive against their wishes.  
Date: 2/12/2001 9:39:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    this is a very personal story for me. My mother, was stricken with a fierce & devastaing bout with a painful, fast-acting cancer.I adored my mother, who was one of the smartest, and most caring people ever born.She choose, with dignity & courage, to allow herself this option.She died at home, surrounded by her loved ones....quietly.She wanted to die in her sleep. She did slip away one night.Her only "substance", the water with her medication.Did she give up? HE** NO! You should have seen the utter dignity in this woman!  
Date: 2/12/2001 9:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 19927    yea...thats what i meant...LOL! *CC*  
Date: 2/12/2001 9:40:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    there are still certain faiths, I believe the Catholics are one, who teach if you commit suicide, you go to he**.How utterly terrifying!  
Date: 2/12/2001 9:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 17561    Awesome question LSG. But I have to answer with a question, Do we have the right to keep one alive with machines rather then to let the patient die on their own?? Are we not munipulatting or controling ones own choices??...flip side..hehehe, sowwy:-)..hugs  
Date: 2/12/2001 10:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 26203    it is a very touchy subject and maybe i would change my mind if it happened to me but right now i believe that only God should have the power to take ones life love koala  
Date: 2/12/2001 10:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 19382    It is a refuesal to accept treatment of sorts and it is suicide. But so what? if they have no value of life, and will do nothing but burden their family and wish to do it, then it is their choice. But if they could recover and live, i wouldn't want them to.... - S.C. Gendo Ikari ShipPagan  
Date: 2/13/2001 5:07:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    Hiya Dalphina! Glad to see you!.........no, we do NOT have the right to prolong their agony.QUALITY of life is better than, QUANTITY of life.....~IMO~  
Date: 2/13/2001 5:33:00 AM  From Authorid: 21889    i think that if your not going to get any better, the family should respect the wishes of the sick person in their life. If they want to die then i don't see anything wrong with that, but i also think they should talk with their family and let everyone in on this, so that it not a huge suprise! princess2  
Date: 2/13/2001 7:06:00 AM  From Authorid: 19220    WOW this one really makes ya think..LOL I wouldn't call it suicide. I would try my hardest to accept this decision if it was made by a family member. It would be a hard thing to do but then again it is their wish..IceQueen420  
Date: 2/13/2001 8:12:00 AM  From Authorid: 11091    LSG, this isn't suicide. It is choosing to allow nature to take its course. If it wasn't for mans interfearance and medical technology this wouldn't come up. If man didn't interfere this would not be considered suicide, so you are just allowing life to continue as normal. There are many religions where medical interfearance is against the religion. LSG your mom is a very strong women. It was her choice and I am glad you stood by her decision.  
Date: 2/13/2001 2:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 26631    LSG no it is not suicide if you take your life when you are in pain and dying.Because first off you are already dead ...pretty much... And second of all you are feeling bad about making your family suffer for your eventuall demise. INFERNO.......................PS. WAZZZZZZZ UPPPPPPP FireAce
Date: 2/13/2001 3:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 18232    I dont think its suicide, who would want to live miserably and unhappily and sick and suffering?
I think God would understand.
  
Date: 2/13/2001 6:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 27403    My Mother was a cancer victim also...twice. The first time it was breast cancer and she had the mastectomy and chemo. When it hit again a few years later, it was lung cancer. And she chose to reject a second round of the devastating effects of chemotherapy, and she, too, stayed at home and passed away with the family. And I was fortunate to be able to spend this time with her. Suicide? When you have a terminal illness and chose to forego treatment that is not guaranteed to work, that certainly is not suicide in my book. Lightworker  
Date: 2/14/2001 3:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 8224    I don't see where one could call it suicide (except some religion out to control) I see it as one individual excerising the greatest of
all gifts "Free Will" and to deny that from taking place is playing god. Exceptional post. Antona
  
Date: 2/14/2001 7:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 18330    It is not suicide in my opinion. If an individual is of sound mind in there decision and it is in their will to not want to be resusitated etc then they have a right to die. My mother dying of cancer is currently in such a position, doesn't want to eat and all and my only hope for her is to be free of pain. Which is the humane thing.  
Date: 2/14/2001 7:38:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    Thank You.......  
Date: 2/15/2001 7:16:00 AM  From Authorid: 17560    NO,I don't believe it's suicide. My mother was also a victim of cancer. She was on dialysis for a year and half when
they told her they couldn't find anymore veins in her arm to use for dialysis. They would have to operate on her AGAIN and she did
not want that so she decided to die at home with dignity and be surrounded by her family. That was her decision and we respected it even
though I wanted her to keep fighting. She suffered enough and I would never think this was a form of suicide. She just couldn't take any more
operations. I know she is in a better place now, free from all the suffering.
  
Date: 2/19/2001 2:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 1749    You are talking about a Living Will. I have a Living Will which states the following: (Q1): The following are my feelings & wishes regarding my health care--(A) "In the event that my health is such that my doctors determine that I have an incurable or irreversible health condition for which the administration of medical treatment will serve to prolong only the dying process I ask that all health care be discontinued & I refuse any additional health care treatment, services, procedures or placements, except as hereinafter stated." (Q2): I particularly want to have all appropriate health care that will help in the following ways--(A) "To maintain my comfort, hygiene & human dignity and alleviate pain." In addition, it mentions that I do NOT want to receive hydration & that by doing so, I realize that my death may be caused by dehydration rather than by my illness. I have given copies to my wife, my brother, my doctor, my hospital, my lawyer, as well as a close friend whom I have stipulated can make that decision should my wife not be around. If you want a copy for your state, you can call Choice In Dying toll free. Cheers, Eric
Date: 2/19/2001 2:53:00 AM  From Authorid: 1749    Sorry I never directly answered your question. Is it suicide? I don't think so & I think if you have a Living Will various states don't consider it suicide. Cheers, Eric
Date: 2/21/2001 1:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 9130    Hmm.. how did i miss this debate? I don't think it is suicide... that is if it is as you say abouve and the person is refusing food and drink-- that would kinda be dying naturally. i think it is so inhumane to keep a person alive by keeping them hooked up to some machine! Now, if they asked someone to inject them with something to put them out of their pain it would be suicide... but i don't think it is in the way you described.  

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