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Date: 2/12/2001 8:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
Hi FB...I like hearing others opinions,it makes it fun.....But I also think if someone has a serious issue that they want to debate with facts...thats fine to  |
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Date: 2/12/2001 8:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
NO. I don't think it should be changed. IF those who wish to share their religion/faith/belief, with others and not want anyone DISAGREEING with them, then they need to stay in the RELIGIOUS forum. IF THEY CHOOSE to post their beliefs IN THE DEBATE , then they should KNOW, and be prepared to have differences of opinions, and EXPECT the contents of their posts to be debated. (Isn't that the way it is now?) The Thinker  |
| Date: 2/12/2001 8:10:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 Well Facts to support an opinion. Or else the opinion dose not matter. If your going to debate about somthing in the bible part of the debate will be weather it is even relavent in the first place. You wouldn't debate on weather an imaginary chair is better than anther imagionary chair. You will say their is no chair. Opinions are like I don't like snow. Debates are opinions and facts that you can support. |
Date: 2/12/2001 8:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
I suggested they have a RELIGIOUS debate section, but I don't think anyone likes that idea too much...  |
Date: 2/12/2001 8:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 16442
I think its a good idea Firstborn or maybe we should have a debate AND opinion section. I think that would be good, that way all our excellent debaters could have their area and us 'dummies' could have ours. Good idea, ma'am!! *hugs* ~MOONPRIESTESS~  |
| Date: 2/12/2001 8:14:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 So you could say I don't like snow because it is cold. There I supported my opinion with a fact now it is creditable. |
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Date: 2/12/2001 8:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 13354
Well it seems some like to fight and enjoy it being called debate. They feel if something is posted there, it's a free for all to "wallop" the person. I don't know. You might have something there. After all, it was your idea to have this section. I respect your opinion.  |
| Date: 2/12/2001 8:27:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 you attack the statement not the person. That is the whole point. |
Date: 2/12/2001 8:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 5301
...why should anyone have proven facts to back their position in a debate? I find it much easier to create my own tidbits of truth. Religion does appear in the debate section quite frequently, since you mention it, and , as a response, how did all these religions evolve? Did someone make them up to suit the needs of their country/culture/age/climate/colour of skin/preference for meat or vegetables?? Santa Claus also has many identities too. What's going on here?  |
Date: 2/12/2001 8:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Hi buddy sixgun, thats what I think. HEY thinker, no one ever said that when I go to debate that I dont expect to be challenged on what I think, personal attacks are different, but challenged on the message is fine. I go there to challenge and share what I have to say when some one attacks my faith or has a differnt opinion on it. From now on I will give my facts, as the Bible is my facts, people will either have to agree or disagree their choice.  |
Date: 2/12/2001 8:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
Hi Firstborn..Debating is exactly what many were doing in the religious section..Debating is exactly what many are doing in the debate section..According to the dictionary "debate" means.."to strive in opposition..to contend for in words or arguments..meditate upon;deliberate upon;to argue or discuss a point;reflect,to have a J.T...oops..I meant..controversy; discussion".. Opinion means..belief or judgment,estimation; persuasion..So I really think we have what was ask for..A place to fight and argue..  Sincerely Rusure  |
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Date: 2/12/2001 8:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
well 11111111, Their opinion and the *books* they base there *facts* on , are only *books* as is the Bible a *book* that I choose to base my facts on. No one can go back to history and see for themselves, so my *facts* from a written book are as good as theres. Dizzy me, we dont need a debate in a new religions section, that was what admin was trying to avoid. |
| Date: 2/12/2001 8:37:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 You can't just make up anything you want to debate with. That makes what you said false so it carries no weight. |
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Date: 2/12/2001 8:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Moonpriestess that is the best Idea I've heard yet!!! I agree. 1111111, no its not credible as cold is actually the absence of heat. |
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Date: 2/12/2001 8:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
thanks Pam , I think. LOL I agree 11111 attack the message not the person. |
| Date: 2/12/2001 8:41:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 And I think that our not creditable because the moon is in the sky. |
| Date: 2/12/2001 8:42:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 I think that debates should be limited to agreeing with everyone because of the library on the south side of town. |
Date: 2/12/2001 8:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
I still think a religious debate is the best idea yet-- people will always argue about religious views-- why not have a section that allows them to do this with free rein? i am sorry i know i am a little bit off your topic.  |
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Date: 2/12/2001 8:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
heckler, your right what is going on? rusure, I agree that we do, but so many are upset as their idea of debate is differnt from what you just commented on. 111111, you said:::: So you could say I don't like snow because it is cold. There I supported my opinion with a fact now it is creditable. But look it up, cold is only an absence of heat, so its not really cold, you just have no heat, so what your saying is false. |
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Date: 2/12/2001 8:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
111111. Dictionary facts.Main Entry: cold Function: noun 1 : bodily sensation produced by loss or lack of heat 2 : a condition of low temperature; especially : cold weather 3 : a bodily disorder popularly associated with chilling; specifically : so see, number one answer, LACK OF HEAT theres my facts. |
| Date: 2/12/2001 8:47:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 No it is true, cold means absence of heat. |
| Date: 2/12/2001 8:50:00 PM From Authorid: 18737 Hiya, F.B. *indulging in my hobby, hugs*... There is already a section called "Discussion/Questions." ... Why do you think debates should be "opinions?" ... I personally spend a great deal of time researching information for some of the debates I post. It troubles me when some people post topics for debate solely based on "opinion" and not supported by facts or evidence. ... I personally do not enjoy "debating" "opinions" based solely on "opinion." ... THAT is time wasting and pointless *IMHO*... What is there to debate about a person's favorite rock star, singer, hair color, boyfriend/girlfriend, or the myriad other topics posted as a "Debate?" ... For that matter, IF a person believes the bible is the exclusive word of God, what is to debate about that? ... *sigh*... The only thing I agree is that opinions unsupported by evidence should be posted elsewhere, not in "Debates." ... *Thanks, Rusure... smile, you know I HATE controversy* ... *hugs, indulging in my hobby* May peace and harmony be forever yours. /s/ J.T. |
| Date: 2/12/2001 8:51:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 Conditons of low tempurature means absence of heat. Body sesnsation produced by lack of heat means lack of heat. To say cold means that the tempurture is low. Frozen means solid. |
| Date: 2/12/2001 8:54:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 Cold means Cold like fire means fire. Like table means table weather its a coffe table or coffe table. Do you understand? |
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Date: 2/12/2001 9:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
11111 are you fighting with yourself now? Thats what I said, cold is the absence of heat. |
| Date: 2/12/2001 9:09:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 Yeah what I said is true. |
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Date: 2/12/2001 9:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 5301
...to ccontinue with the debate, I've just noticed that my beer is empty. (or is that 0% full?) So many things to consider. |
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Date: 2/12/2001 9:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
If it is too cold,it cannot snow..If it is too warm,it cannot snow..So in order to snow,it must be moderate..But..It depends on where you live whether or not the climate is considered warm, cold or moderate..Now..What was this debate about? errr..uhhh.. Rusure |
Date: 2/12/2001 9:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
Thats my good buddy |||||||||, he is one that gets in there and sees every angle...I like to see what he has to say...Good point in some ways FB, but IMO, (lol!).. religion cannot be debated. I don't know about having an opinion about it in contrast to other's opinions either...What for? it doesn't change anything on either side. I would rather see some maturity on the part of those that continue to drag it into debate...Like |||||||| says its just one invisible chair in comparison to a visible chair...how can anyone see the comparison? Proof cannot be seen, disproof can?...we can feel them because both are "there" that is the only thing that can be established about it comparisons...its rather insane to debate it in the first place....opinions are just an invisible chair too...Am I making any sense? Let Duh-bate prove some issues that don't involve feelings. That is sane, man...lol!! Love,  |
Date: 2/12/2001 9:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 20497
that is the exact reason that I choose *NOT* to go into the debate section.....because maybe I don't have all of the facts. I think that maybe the title of the area should be changed to my opinion...that way we can say what we think...  |
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Date: 2/12/2001 10:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
good comments all of ya. I only go to debate rather its an opinon or not so that when others read they can see the other side of the coin, not who is right or wrong, some beleive and some dont but this gives them choices to think upon. |
| Date: 2/12/2001 10:28:00 PM From Authorid: 25050 You don't need all the facts you need supporting ideas. |
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Date: 2/12/2001 11:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
^^^LOL at superfly TNT.....your a riot |
Date: 2/13/2001 12:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 17525
Why don't they just throw in the towel and have a 'religious argument' section? That's what it's all about anyway right? LOL :: ucks and runs::: just kidding... Peace,  |
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Date: 2/13/2001 12:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 17525
oops! That's just my "opinion" :-) |
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Date: 2/13/2001 12:29:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Hey osiris good to see ya. But wouldn't religious arguments defeat the purpose of debate or keeping the religons site from being clean of fights? Some go to the religons site to learn, not to see people bashing their faith. I think we and the wiccans at this site have done very well to either stay out of each other posts or if we go in say something nice, or personal message the person if we think they are wrong and talk about it there. I just cant see why or what is so important about proving God wrong? Let people make up their minds for themselves. Glad to see ya stop by, Hugs to you. |
Date: 2/13/2001 6:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 18155
Odds are you are going to end up woth the same animal becdause once people start stating their opinions, it will turn into a debate and then an argument, as the usual coures of things go, so far.Changing the name won't change the mind set of the members and they will act as they always do.Yuo can call a 'skunk' a rabbit, if you want, but it is still a skunk and it still smells.  |
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Date: 2/13/2001 6:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 17525
Hey FB, thanks for the hugs. I was only kidding, but i gotta agree w/ 32Degree here. You can't change the mind set. Maybe they should do away with religious with specific 'religions', such as christian, wiccan, buddhist, hindu, with a caution about those who dont adhere entering. That way only those of that faith will go there. Any problem individuals would easily be ousted. Ahh, what the heck, i still think 'biblical boxing ring' would be a fun section..hehe Hugs Peace, |
Date: 2/13/2001 6:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 17516
Okay FB, here to me is the difference. If you go to religious and share the reason for your belief (I pray and it makes me feel good, etc), that's all well in good. No one can or should expect you to defend that. It's entirely subjective. I think you should be able to back up statements that condemn others, or statements that state as fact, something that is actually in dispute or has been disproven like; Noah's ark really happened or Moses wrote the first 5 books of the bible. When things such as there are offered as proof of your beliefs you should be willing and able to show how they are true.  |
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Date: 2/13/2001 7:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 17516
As for your standard "their books aren't better than my book argument", I'm afraid you are mistaken. All books aren't created equal. How do we know what happened 1000s of years ago, for example? The method that we use to discover what happened millenia ago in places that we weren't is the same method that we use to discover what happened last Thursday in places where we weren't. We use a preponderance of evidence. The technical term for this is _conselience of induction_. So, you must ask yourself this, when quoting from a book....what outside evidence is there for the facts mentioned in the book. Good historical books document their assertions, they do not just expect the readers to accept their (the author's) word for it. They demonstrate their conclusions. Does the bible do this? No. |
Date: 2/13/2001 7:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 9295
I'm all for changing it to the "opinion" section, if for no other reason than to stop all of the "if you don't have facts..." statements. Even though this section is called "debate", most people realize that it was put here to take the argument out of the other sections and that with a site like this the expression of opinions, even in the debate section, is a foregone conclusion.  |
Date: 2/13/2001 7:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 8428
nah ilike debates because thats what ur really doing is debating.sure some opinions will be mixed in but there are a few debates that are based on current eents like something about napster and the likes.  |
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Date: 2/13/2001 10:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
but see dont ya all know, that no matter what ya say, I still love ya'll? love to all of you, I'm so glad that i have made such good friends here and I welcome your opiinons rather you agree with me or not. loves to ya'll. |
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Date: 2/13/2001 10:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Karma, Your writing, your eloquence, and knowledge, I fear, are overlooked by many here, or so it seems. I just wanted to say I appreciate your imput, the way you express things, your intelligence...Thank you. The Thinker |
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Date: 2/13/2001 11:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
karma is not overlooked, she is great, I just wish she was christian as she would could debate things with the worst of ya. |
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Date: 2/14/2001 7:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 17516
Thanks to you both Thinker and FB......if I ever become a christian, FB then you will know god is real because that will be a miracle indeed! ~smile~ But regardless of the fact that I sit on the other side of the fence I still love you.... |
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Date: 2/14/2001 11:35:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
loves to you too karma |
Date: 2/15/2001 11:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 27678
Gee, Free Girl tiptoes shyly into the doorway. Will her opinion be allowed? Maybe. Firstborn, I love the idea. Since we have so many problems with proving our "Christian" beliefs with facts, perhaps opinion would be a better way to share our thoughts. Thanks for the suggestion.  |
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Date: 2/17/2001 11:45:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
HI free girl and thanks for stopping by. I agree with ya. |
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