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Some people just don't want to be helped

  Author:  15228  Category:(Discussion) Created:(8/21/2013 8:04:00 AM)
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My Dad is a classic enabler.  He did it with my brother, he did it with his ex-wife (not my mother, but a different ex) and he has done it for years with his girlfriend and her family.  He had about $90,000 in credit card debt (WHO gets that many credit cards!) and we had to drag him through the bankrupcy process.  

We saved his home by putting it in my sisters name.  All he had to do was pay 'rent' which would cover the taxes and insurance and general upkeep.  The house needs a lot of work and probably a new furnace.  He could hardly even do that.  My sister ended up paying the insurance recently.  My sister has four kids, she shouldn't have had to do that.  Dad makes almost 3000.00 a month with his social security and retirement benefits, not enough to live like a king on, but enough to pay his basic living expenses which were low, probably around 1,100.00 max which includes the 500.00 in 'rent'.

After the insurance fiasco I said enough.  We're selling the house and Dad has to get an apartment.  Each month we'll give him a set amount from the proceeds of the house.  We told dad all this and he got his apartment.  I have no idea how he's paying for it considering he blew through all his money within the first two weeks of the month.  Thing is, despite telling him he isn't going to get control of the money and him agreeing to it, I know how his mind works.  He's already plotting and scheming, probably borrowing money from friends, telling them once the house is sold he'll pay them back.  Dad only hears what he wants to hear and even if you get him to agree to something, more than likely he's just agreeing to shut you up.

We moved him out this past weekend.  After he left, his girlfriends twenty year old granddaughter came stumbling in  and asked where my Dad was.  My bro-in-law told her that he had left.  She stumbled into one of the bedrooms, pulled out a bottle of canned Air and began huffing right in front of my brother-in-law and sister!!!  Than she curled up in a ball and was unresponsive.  

I was already on my way home when my sister called and asked me what they should do.  I said call the police!!!!  The police came and she was kicking and screaming at them.  They ended up calling an ambulance.

A day later when my sister finally talked to my dad what do you think his response was??  Sorry you had to deal with that?  No.  It was, why did you call the police? 

I will never understand why my Dad allows this type of thing into his life.  His girl friend has her own apartment.  Why does the Granddaughter insist on going to my dads??  Because my dad will give her money, get conned into taking her to drug deals, or buy her fastfood, cigerettes and booze.   Last summer when dad claimed he couldn't get rid of her, we tried to help Dad out by going to the Police.  We thought maybe there is an elder abuse law.  Since dad is of sound mind (allegedly) there wasn't anything we could do, he had to be the one to call the police even though he is only the 'renter' and doesn't own the home, the owner (my sister) had no say in kicking her out.  Dad didn't have the guts to do it himself.    My sister and I went to the house and packed all her crap up and set it outside.  I know at one point she got a low income apartment.  She was pregnant and had the baby five weeks early.  The baby was addicted to drugs and she has never been allowed custody of him.  Nice girl, right?  

If you've read this far, congratulations and thanks!  I guess I needed to vent.  At this point I think we're pretty much done with dad.  If he wants to hang out with freeloaders and losers that's fine.  I NEVER thought I would be attempting to parent my parent in this way.   He use to not be so financially unstable.  At one time he was quite successful believe it or not.  

Have you ever had this kind of issue with an elderly parent??  Dad is 72 and still in good health, he looks like he's only 60, still quite young looking for his age.  

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Date: 8/21/2013 8:34:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15228    One thing I failed to mention is my Dads girlfriend has cancer. She's had chemo and radiation this past year. Right before the Granddaughter had the baby last Fall, she stole her Grandmothers rent money. I think Dad takes care of the Granddaughter just to keep the peace with his girlfriend and to prevent further stress on her.  
Date: 8/21/2013 4:24:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15228    AO, we've tried. Unless he is a danger to himself or others there isn't much we can do.  
Date: 8/21/2013 4:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 42945    Kelly, I'm of the same age as your Dad and there is no way that I could live like he chooses to..he sounds very selfish and knows that you girls will pull him out of the fire whenever he sets himself up to burn..he lives for himself and that is all that matters to him...sorry you and your sister have to endure this type of situation and more so because he is of sound mind, if he wasn't it could be understandable...  
Date: 8/21/2013 7:27:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15228    Zelma, it's weird because he is generous to the freeloaders, but he looks at me and especially my sister as if WE are the ones taking advantage of him. Does that make sense? That's how we feel anyway. It's frustrating because we're the the ones that want to help him and want nothing from him. My sister is much more hurt than I am over this.  
Date: 8/21/2013 10:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 42945    Sometimes we just cannot get through to people like this in our families Kelly..and I've seen a similar situation within my hubby's family where the free loading family members were more thought of and did nothing to help the parents, the two that did help were brushed aside and called upon wherever money was needed..  
Date: 8/22/2013 4:45:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15228    I called you Zelma! LOL. Sorry about that. I've racked my brain as to why dad is like this and I think maybe it comes down to he feels needed? Freeloaders must have a way about them that makes them attractive to enablers. Maybe they make him feel special. We found Father's Day cards from the Adult daughter of his girlfriend thanking him for all he does. She should thank him! She lived rent free in one of his houses for two years, he even paid the utilities. He gave her an almost brand new truck she never paid him back for.  
Date: 8/22/2013 5:05:00 AM  From Authorid: 42945    I get called all kinds of names Kelly LOL...yeah it does make you wonder why they are like that and maybe you are right, the feeling to be needed can go very deep within...  
Date: 8/22/2013 9:25:00 AM  From Authorid: 22721    My dad is.....a word that sounds like asp. Some people are just parasites. As my aunt says about my dad..."he can't even apologize for being alive".  
Date: 8/22/2013 9:59:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15228    I'm not prepared to say my dad is a waste of space!! Unfortunately for him (and us) he has parasites around him that he doesn't seem to mind. He borrowed 300.00 dollars from me in April and paid it back within two weeks. I think he justifies screwing over my sister by the fact that the house is in her name. Never mind she did it to keep it out of the bankrupcy and so he'd have a place to live. We also thought it would be nice that after he is gone, that my brother would have somewhere to live. My bro is a whole other story in itself.  
Date: 8/25/2013 12:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 38474    Feeling needed is a very very powerful kind of drug actually in my opinion. I can understand both sides of this, yours and his. I am very much like your dad and give a lot to people I really shouldn't give to but its hard when u see another person in need and u FEEL like u have the means to help them. Notice I said feel not actually have. It is really hard not to give at times. I just actually had an argument with my hubby Saturday about giving money to a man who was collecting cans at a store we pulled in to....I didn't have a lot of cash cause I tend to lose cash and try not to carry more than twenty on me at any time. I never lose my cards just cash. Anyways I made my husband wait until the man got near our car and I got out and gave the man my $20.00 you would have thought this poor man won the lottery it made him so happy and I felt happy giving it to him. He was very nice and I chatted with him long enough it ticked my poor hubby off because he had to wait so long for me..lol The poor man was a veteran and had health issues and just a list of bad luck. BUT this man was NOT complaining about any of it. He just told me why how he had fallen into the horrible position he is in. Well after I got back in the car I got a lecture from hubby dearest about giving away that money. Normally he doesn't say a word when I do stuff like that but he had a very good point because I am starting a WONDERFUL new job Monday BUT I will not have a check for one month due to them holding the first check and I also have a one hour commute now instead of a 5 minute one so it is going to take ALOT more gas. I agree hubby had a right to worry BUT sometimes you just can't stop from helping a person that you feel needs something more than you do and I feel this poor man really needed the money. Hubby dearest said the man collects cans all over, I had never seen him before but Brian had. I told him obviously the man DOES try to help himself he does collect cans at least he tries. I understand about your point with your dad though as my mom is HORRIBLE about giving to EVERYONE and ANYONE...LOL I had to actually threaten to take my VW bug back from her if she did not stop taking money out of her retirement for my daughter. I love my mom and my daughter more than life but I had to make it clear my mother needs her retirement and my daughter needs to WORK!!! Sorry for the long reply just hit so close to home.
  
Date: 8/25/2013 11:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 11240    My feeling on the subject is he is thinking that his kids are going to get whatever he has when he is dead and he is just trying to control whatever he can right now by sticking it to his heirs for trying to control the here and now.

It is unfortunate that he has enabled all these people to take advantage of him but he is feeling that you and your sister are taking advantage of his situation, not helping him but trying to preserve something of his estate for yourselves. Not sure if I recall any particulars in the split of your parents, Kelly, but is seems he wants to somehow punish your mother after all these years. Best wishes in dealing with all this.

God Bless.
  
Date: 8/26/2013 5:38:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15228    His estate! We don't want a dime from him. In fact, he borrowed a 100.00 bucks from me today. That's after we've been cleaning his flea infested house, painted every single inch with kiltz in an attempt to get the smoke smell out. Dad never lifted a finger. We paid for all materials and we're going to have to replace the flooring because the flea infestation is so bad. We're ripping out the carpet tomorrow.

But hey, maybe we'll find some loose change in the couch cushions? Oh, I unpacked boxes and put his things away at his new place while he filled a cooler with beer and went off to who knows where. He hadn't lifted a finger since he moved.
  
Date: 8/30/2013 8:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 27403    Wow, Kelly! That truly sounds like a really big dysfunctional affair. I am sorry you have to deal with this. But, if you do, try to be an unemotionally involved as possible. Obviously your Father likes chaos. Some people thrive on it. Chaos and drama. And some people like a more orderly existence. I can still remember my younger days when a lack of dram meant boredom. Now, I quite like serenity and happy. But, it seems your Dad isn't there yet. You may have to help financially, but divorce yourself from the drama. Not your problem. Good Luck! Love and Light  
Date: 9/23/2013 12:12:00 AM  From Authorid: 64747    I cannot really comment on your post Kelly as I've never being in that kind of situation. Just wanted to comment to say I'm sorry for all the trouble your having with your Dad.  

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