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Date: 7/14/2013 6:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 42945
Commonsense should prevail in my opinion...it is illegal over here in Australia to have anyone on the back of these vehicles..on private properties away from public roads, kids in rural areas usually do ride on the back..  |
Date: 7/14/2013 7:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53427
Yes I agree Zema common sense should prevail. But unfortunately, often it does not. But can you outlaw everything that is poor judgement? You shouldn't have to, but apparently at least in this case it is needed.  |
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Date: 7/14/2013 7:36:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53427
Author only: You always have such well thought out intelligent comments, wish they weren't just in author only lol. I guess you don't care to venture into debate. I don't usually venture in here myself. Worst case scenario, I look like an idiot. Oh well, it wouldn't be the first time! As to your comment, I tend to agree. I'm undecided if it should be a total ban. That would be safest. But I wonder if that would be too much of a nanny state scenario.. |
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Date: 7/14/2013 7:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53427
What I mean is that it definitely should be illegal for children period. After 18 on secondary roads maybe should be allowed. |
Date: 7/14/2013 8:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 64365
I don't think anyone should ride in the back of a pickup...especially on the highway and busy city streets. It is dangerous. No matter how careful one drives, things can happen...drunk drivers, speeders, reckless drivers, road rage, not to mention those times when debris and other loose objects become dangerous projectiles from other vehicles slamming on brakes, etc. Trucks have a high rollover rate...someone bumps your tire at just the right angle and you start a roll, and anyone in the back of the pickup is thrown and maybe even crushed. Common sense dictates that if it's the law you have to wear seatbelts in the front AND back seats, and since there's nothing to protect a truck bed passenger, there should be no passengers in the truck bed. I feel like it SHOULD be a Heavy Fine, and an Endangerment Charge for the driver, and a Heavy Fine and Reckless Behaviour Charge for the passenger.  |
Date: 7/14/2013 9:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 64819
Me and the ball and chain grew up riding in the back of trucks. We still do occasionally. Joey Mack prolly will too, but more than likely only on the dirt road.  |
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Date: 7/14/2013 9:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 64365
I don't think it would be too much of a Nanny state, or a Nanny state, at all. Case in point: My choir director in High School told us of a time he took a group of teenagers from his church out caroling during the Christmas season. In the group were twins...brother and sister...the bpu was aggravatomg his sister and, finally, in exasperation she very vehemently said 'I wish you would fall off trucks and die!' 15 mintues later, the truck hit a bump just as the boy stood to go sit in another spot away from his sister, the boy fell out and the back wheel rolled over his head, killing him, just that quick. Trucks have a high rollover rate. One time, my daughter was awakened at 2:00 am by a big commotion in her front yard. When she looked out the window police were all over the place. Her house is on a corner, and a truck came around the corner a little too fast rather than slowing down and the truck careened and then went into a roll, knocking out her brick mailbox and landing on it's top in her yard inches from her car in the driveway. The driver was badly injured and later died. Had anyone been in the truck bed chances are they would have been badly injured or killed. SUVs have a high rollover rate. Same daughter was driving down the feeder of I-45 on her birthday a few years ago Beechie had just turned 2 years old. Both of her kids were in the back seat strapped in securely. Some lady came out of a parking lot a little too fast, without looking, and bumped the front passenger side tire. Sent my daughter's SUV into a rollover 3000 feet down the highway with the SUV ending up on it's wheels in the median. They had bumps and bruises, but no serious injuries, and all had therapy for PtSD. Had it been a truck, and anyone riding in the back, it would have been fatal for the passengers. Flying Debris: 2 cases: A friend's little 3 year old girl was struck through the brain (she survived, but is seriously mentally challenged, now, because a truck with pipes in the bed got into a wreck on the highway in front of them. My friend slammed on her brakes, but a pipe from the truck came flying through the air from the sudden impact and went rhrough the windshield at such an angle that it struck the little girl in her carseat in the back seat. And you know those dings you get in your car and windshield that comes from the gravel truck that passes you on the road or is driving in front of you? Imagine being in a truck bed and having that little piece of gravel hit you in the eye. If it's traveling at enough speed to ding the windshield and car, what will it do to soft tissue? Add drunk drivers, speeders, reckless drivers and road ragers to the mix and you've got a deadly cocktail there...so no...it should be totally against the law to transport passengers in the back of a pick up truck for ANY reason, and should come with Heavy Fines and Charges for anyone breaking the law. |
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Date: 7/14/2013 10:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53427
Great argument Nani. You know something just occurred to me. This would be the end of hayrides unless you dont drive off your property. Most of the ones around here drive all over the secondary roads And what about parade floats, surely it wouldn't affect them. |
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Date: 7/15/2013 5:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 64365
These happened this year: http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2013/1/18/death_investigation_.html http://www.kelownadailycourier.ca/front-page-news/woman-dies-after-falling-out-of-back-of-pickup-truck-42913.html http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130224/NEWS/130229869/-1/rss01 ********************************************************************************************************************************* 2012: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7859565/doane-college-football-player-dies-falling-pickup-truck http://www.newschannel5.com/story/19544472/toddler-dies-after-falling-out-of-pick-up-truck ************************************************************************************************************** 2011: http://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/2792216-man-killed-falling-from-back-of-pickup/ http://www.azfamily.com/news/Teen-dies-after-fall-from-truck-bed-131215474.html ****************************************************************************************************************** These are just a few. Anyone interested in seeing this can find more info at this search page: http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AqDUCYggC7guye0Kw1JuF8tG2vAI?p=people+killed+falling+out+of+back+of+pick+up+truck&fr=my-myy&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8 |
Date: 7/15/2013 6:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 21435
I happened upon an accident some years ago. A small pickup truck lost control, spun around a few times and slammed into a large red oak tree. One of the children riding in the pickup truck bed (a boy of eight years) ended up between the pickup and the tree during impact. I went through the motions, but there was nothing I could do. The child was crushed and he died in my arms. I doubt I will ever forget that. So, I have to say that there is a danger putting anyone back there, especially children.  |
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Date: 7/15/2013 7:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 64819
If you can't ride in the back of a truck, then quite a few southern queens (pageant winners) will be fuming. Nor should they be allowed in parades to ride on the back of convertibles, nor should they be allowed to ride on floats. http://kfor.com/2013/07/04/boy-seriously-injured-after-falling-off-edmond-parade-float/ http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/boy-9-dies-fall-memorial-day-parade-float-upstate-new-york-article-1.1086640 http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Cheerleader-s-fall-from-float-puts-parade-in-doubt-1498927.php |
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Date: 7/15/2013 7:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 64365
Adora, which do you think they would rather be: mad, or dead? |
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Date: 7/15/2013 8:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 64365
It's an unnecessary danger. One of the links I posted involved a toddler being thrown from the pick up bed. I realize it possibly won't happen to you or anyone I know or anyone you know, but why take the chance to begin with? Once, when I was visiting my Aunt in Arkansas, they decided to get a pony. I was elected to stand in the back of the pick-up on the long drive home, and hold the halter of the pony, while trying to hang onto the truck. Nearly lost my balance several times as we went over cracks and bumps. I was on edge, and the pony wasn't happy about it, either. Kronk, that is awful. I am so sorry for that little boy, and I'm sorry you had to experience it. |
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Date: 7/15/2013 11:54:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53427
It's a wonder more people don't get killed in parades. I can't name how many times I've seen like 20 kids on the back of a flat trailer with their legs dangling over near the wheels. Granted, they are going 5 mph, but those wheels will still crush you. Their should be more attention made to safety. Back to the pickup bed debate: Isn't it ironic that we have kids in booster seats until they are 6, but when they turn 7 they can fly down the interstate in the truck bed? |
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Date: 7/15/2013 11:56:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53427
And Kronk, what an awful story. It's a memory I'm sure you'll never be able to shake. I can't imagine coming upon something like that. |
Date: 7/15/2013 12:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 4144
i grew up riding in the back of pick ups and on the wagons pulled by tractors. no big deal then. i think that anybody over the age of 18 should be allowed to make their own choice.  |
Date: 7/15/2013 1:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 17275
I agree with Nani! No one should ride in the back of a pickup truck!  |
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Date: 7/15/2013 3:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 66533
This is what happens in Tanzania. With motorbikes, cars, pickups and even boats. Due to overload and lack of safety precautions on the road, people have lost their lives. I believe that it is very dangerous to have anyone on the back of such vehicles. I've not heard of it being illegal here in Tanzania though. People here are very particular about speeding and traffic signals. But despite the rules and regulations, people still continue driving recklessly. My condolences to those who've passed away in the accident.  |
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Date: 7/15/2013 5:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53427
Sad to say, a 4th teen has since died in the accident I was talking about. |
Date: 7/15/2013 5:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
People do so many stupid things. Should we have laws to account for every possible poor choice or mistake a person could make?  |
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Date: 7/15/2013 5:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
If you're the driver of the truck involved in this case, I think that is an careless, reckless and irresponsible choice that the driver made, and they should be charged with a law we already have on the books. Negligent Homicide. |
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Date: 7/15/2013 7:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 64819
My comment on the pageant queens, most of them in my area ride in the back of pick-ups as opposed to sitting on the convertable car. Floats are just as bad as displayed in the links I submitted. |
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Date: 7/15/2013 10:18:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53427
Just wondering can it be considered Negligent Homocide if they weren't breaking the law? |
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Date: 7/18/2013 3:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 998
I guess it is one thing if your on a farm where people jump in the back of trucks all the time. But on actual paved roads where other cars are driving, I just can't see it. Not that I haven't been in the back of a truck in my youth, cuz I was. But I remember too well that there is almost nothing you can do to hold on, when the truck hits a good bump in the road, or has to swerve to miss a deer or possum in the night. I got very angry at my brother for taking my 10 year old daughter in the back of his Toyota pick-up, and he even went off-roading. Sure it seems like innocent fun at the time, but it just takes one stupid thing, and someone gets brain damage for life. Thank goodness it didn't happen to my daughter, but how many kids has it happened to? Or worse? I cringe just to see dogs walking around in the beds of trucks when they are doing 40 or 50 mph.  |
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Date: 7/19/2013 3:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 3835
It should be, that people (adults and children of at least an age to understand to keep still until vehicle stops) are allowed to ride in the back of a truck if under the conditions of those country roads, farming duties and chores, as long as the truck is driven responsibly like you said.. slow and cautiously, by someone legally allowed to drive. That said, I do feel it is irresponsible of those that take it to the next level or two and drive on freeways and even in the cities itself sometimes, is really chaotic and uncertain changes are at every corner. Even if there is a camper style confinement attached to the truck and driven on freeways and busy cities, there is a high risk as well, if it isn't welded down to the truck and safety belts are not installed.. but why not just buy a van then, Lol. I feel there should be dramatic fines enforced for those riding in the back of, and for those in charge of driving if this is off privately owned properties. The fine (or jail time) should be set extreme, so this would not become a repeat offender issue somewhere down the road..  |
Date: 7/20/2013 2:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 45630
Simply put, if they are not secured with a legal seat belt or restraint aren't they breaking the law all ready?  |
| Date: 11/8/2013 8:42:00 PM From Authorid: 63161 Seat belt rules should apply always. So if you are over a certain age, you can ride in the back of it but if you are under it, you should not be allowed. |
Date: 11/30/2013 10:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 48531
I dont think there should be a law for every common sense thing out there. Its a choice thing. When you hit 18, if you can die for your country you can surly ride in the back of a truck without permission. sheesh...nanny state soon, everything is against the law  |
Date: 2/27/2015 4:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
Got a lot of good info from reading this, and my own curiosity has been quenched, so thank you for that Snookums!  What I mean is here in PA, it was quite legal when I was growing up, and doing so on a farm, I and my friends road in the back of my dad's pickup many times. But...NEVER on a highway or interstate. Dad would never have allowed that. Then later, the law came into effect. I'd always wondered what other states allowed this and which didn't. For my side of the debate, I have to say that laws are put in place as an umbrella effect, to cover all citizens and all situations. With that in mind, yes, there should be laws disallowing this. One can say that people should just use their heads, but that doesn't cover those who don't.  |
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Date: 2/27/2015 4:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
*I and my friends "rode." (good grief) |
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