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Suffering for your beliefs makes others believe too..

  Author:  32806  Category:(Science) Created:(8/2/2009 9:52:00 PM)
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What is the difference between Jesus Christ and Superman? The content of religions and popular tales is often similar, but only religions have matyrs, according to an analysis of behavioural evolution published this week.

When religious leaders make costly sacrifices for their beliefs, the argument goes, these acts add credibility to their professions of faith and help thier beliefs to spread. If, on the other hand, no one is willing to make a significant sacrifice for a belief then observers - even young children - quickly pick up on this and withhold their own committment. The more costly the behaviour, the more likely it is to be sincere: few would willingly give their life for an ideal they did not belive in, and devotees who take vows of poverty or chastity are clearly putting their money where their mouth is. Such credibility enhancing displays are even more effective if performed by a high status individual such as a priest or other leader. Once people believe, they are more likely to perform similar displays themselves.

Joseph Henrich an evolutionary anthropologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada created a mathematical model to test these ideas and showed that this self-reinforcing loop can stabilise a system of beliefs and actions, and help them persist through many generations. This dynamic helps explain why so many religions involve costly renunciations.

For example, Henrich notes that the persecution of early Christians by Roman authorities may have spread Christian beliefs by allowing believers to be matyred for their faith - the ultimate credibility-enhancing display. The principle applies to other social movements too. Studies of 19th century utopian communes such as Hutterites and Shakers show that those making the strictest demands on their followers were most likely to persist. You can see the changes in action. The number of those costly committment rituals increases over time.

Henrich's analysis fills an important hole in our understanding of the rise of religions, says Richard Sosis, an anthropologist at the university of Conneticut in Storrs. The hypothesis still needs to be tested, for example with lab experiments on belief transmission, and historical studies of religions. But if Henrich is right, churches that liberalise their behavioural codes may be sabotaging themselves by reducing their followers committment. This may explain why strict evangelical Christian churches are expanding in the US at the expense of mainstream denominations. "To be a member you've got to walk the walk and talk the talk," says Henrich. "And this transmits deeper faith to the children."

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Date: 8/3/2009 12:21:00 AM  From Authorid: 45630    yes interesting, although Superman committed plenty of selfless acts. Even Darth Vader can be seen as a Martyr technically. He gave his life for the good of his son and the universe. Is Jedism a true religion or just an association of over zealoted movie fans. Who knows.lol.  
Date: 8/3/2009 1:53:00 AM  ( Admin )   Interesting, I've been talking about this very subject for years now.

Anyone can reverse test this hypothesis by using history. One does not have to future test it.

The sacrifice one gives to their faith assures the faith will continue even beyond reason and truth.

The interesting thing is that people believe that faith is the desired result of religion and there is no distinction between blind faith, forced blind faith and knowledge based faith.

How do you know your religion is true, "you have to have faith".
But what about this glaring inconsistency, "you have to have faith".

No you don't have to have faith, you have to have the wisdom to know that to believe in and what not to.

Just as the belief that all sacrifice, pain, suffering and persecution proves ones religion is true.

The more one commits to the religion the more one thinks it is payment for God's reward system.

I love religious discussions..

And yes I do believe in God..

-Rad..
Date: 8/3/2009 7:19:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 32806    I am an athiest but I also love religious discussions. There is much to be learnt from them even if you are a non-believer in the diety. To know how you are influenced by certain things helps to understand them better.  
Date: 8/3/2009 7:20:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 32806    I mean we understand ourselves better.  
Date: 8/3/2009 7:40:00 AM  From Authorid: 54444    Perhaps if all our religious and political leaders would kill themselves overnight more people would buy into their teachings. Naaa! I still wouldn't for the most part. Yes I do believe in god. For me, however, all religions are equally hard pills to swallow. Superman is cool though. I don't find martyrdom a compelling enough argument to substitute reason for faith. My single test is "if it works when tested, then belief follows." I pray because it works. I do good whenever I can because it's reasonable to do so. I believe in higher intelligence because I have experienced the results of their existence. I don't endorse any known religious dogma or party line because they all are of human origin, have agendas attached and eventually let you down. they also change, while I find that truth remains constant. Having said all this, I respect all people of all faiths. Just because something works for me doesn't mean it has to apply to you. But for me I have yet to meet a leader worth following or bowing down to. Does this make me arrogant? I don'k know. It is just who I am. I could say more on this but this is already quite enough.  
Date: 8/3/2009 9:54:00 AM  From Authorid: 11240    I tend to view religion as a worship system and not a faith system. Faith can only come from within one's self via their experiences in life, along with feeling and thinking with regard to those experiences. Religion can't impute that into someone, though I do agree that that is what is attempting to be accomplished by organized religion.

God Bless.
  
Date: 8/3/2009 11:00:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 32806    Well thought out comments, thanks.  

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