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Canada judge: Man not responsible for beheading

  Author:  29532  Category:(News) Created:(3/5/2009 12:03:00 PM)
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WINNIPEG, Manitoba – A Canadian judge ruled Thursday that a man accused of beheading and cannibalizing a fellow Greyhound bus passenger is not criminally responsible due to mental illness.

The decision means Chinese immigrant Vince Li will be treated in a mental institution instead of going to prison. The family of victim Tim McLean dismissed the trial as a "rubber stamp" that allows Li to get away with murder.

"A crime was still committed here, a murder still occurred," said Carol deDelley, McLean's mother. "There was nobody else on that bus holding a knife, slicing up my child."

The judge said Li should not be held criminally accountable for stabbing McLean dozens of times last July and dismembering his body while horrified passengers fled.

Justice John Scurfield said Li's attack was "grotesque" and "barbaric" but "strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."

"He did not appreciate the actions he committed were morally wrong. He believed he was acting in self-defense," Scurfield said.

Both the prosecution and the defense argued Li can't be held responsible because Li was suffering from schizophrenia and believed God wanted him to kill McLean because the young man was a force of evil.

He will be institutionalized without a criminal record and will be reassessed every year by a mental health review board to determine if he is fit for release into the community.

DeDelley said a yearly hearing is ridiculous, and that Li should be locked up for the rest of his life.

Li's trial barely lasted two days and only heard from two witnesses, both psychiatrists, who testified he is mentally ill.

That Li killed the 22-year-old carnival worker was never in question at the trial. Li has admitted he killed McLean but pleaded not guilty.

Witnesses said Li attacked McLean unprovoked as their bus traveled at night along a desolate stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway.

An agreed statement of facts between the prosecution and defense detailed how passengers stood outside the bus as Li stabbed McLean dozens of times and beheaded and mutilated his body. Finding himself locked inside the bus, Li finally escaped through a window and was arrested.

Li then apologized and pleaded with police to kill him.

Police said McLean's body parts were found throughout the bus in plastic bags, and the victim's ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pocket.

A psychiatrist called by the prosecution Wednesday testified that Li cut up McLean's body because he believed that he would come back to life and take revenge.

After the trial, government prosecutor Joyce Dalmyn said McLean's family understood that she had to tell the court about Li's condition.

"The evidence was so overwhelming that he was not criminally responsible. I absolutely had an obligation to bring that to the court's attention, and the family understands and respects that," Dalmyn said.

She said people who are mentally ill should not be convicted when they don't know what they did was wrong.

"They need to be treated," she said. "I certainly agree in Mr. Li's case he needs to be treated for a very long time."

McLean's family is vowing to turn their attention to fighting the law that allows people who are found not criminally responsible to be released into the community once they are deemed well, without serving a minimum sentence in jail.

DeDelley said her son didn't die in vain. His death highlights concerns about the justice system, she said.

"Now people are aware that there is a problem," she said.

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Date: 3/5/2009 12:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    OMG! I remember when this story happened. (Very, very scary!). Human Monsters really are more frightening than the paranormal. Good story PNK!  
Date: 3/5/2009 1:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 61897    Yikes! I think they should comply with his wishes to police. Who knows when he can snap again and think God wants him to dismember another innocent, helpless person. What a coicedence "God" wanted him to attack the most defenseless person he could find on that bus...  
Date: 3/5/2009 1:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 61897    At the very least, he should serve time when he is supposedly all well, which will probably never be, so just comply with his wishes...  
Date: 3/5/2009 1:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 48809    I have 2 questions...if this guy is out of his mind...why was he running around loose anyway? And with other people on the bus...then why did no one come to the rescue of the poor man that was chopped up ? Unless there was no one on the bus except children...then there was no reason that Mr. McLean had to die. Weren't there any men on board ? I think any Judge that would give some sicko like this such an indecent sentence ought to be tossed into prison himself . I think the murderer and the Judge are both disgusting!  
Date: 3/5/2009 1:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 8555    This was awful, that bus drove right through my city. I think he should be in jail for the rest of his life. Regardless of his mental condition, what's stopping him from going off his meds once he's out and doing something like this again?? I have previously dated a schizophrenic, so I kind of know what happens.  
Date: 3/5/2009 2:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 23075    he will be in a mental insituttion and will be assessed yearly. he won't get out.  
Date: 3/5/2009 3:03:00 PM  From Authorid: 33925    I watched this on the news tonight. Not criminally responsible. That's Canadian justice for you. According to one report, it is believed that he ate select body parts including the eyes which hav never been found.  
Date: 3/5/2009 4:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 4995    I'm going to be sick.....  
Date: 3/5/2009 5:56:00 PM  ( Admin )   He is responsible, just not culpable, meaning he wasn't in a frame of mind that would allow him to know what or why is was doing what he did.

I remember when an Elephant charged into a crowd of people. They shot an killed the animal.

They discovered later that the elephant had an ear infection that spread into it's brain causing what happened.

So the question is, if Vince Li had an infection or were injured in a way in which he couldn't think properly should he be tried the same way a person with no mental handicap?

The law thinks a person should have the right to be healed if their illness contributed to the crime.

The Lawyers, Judge and the Jury are bound by the laws of the land.

In many countries like Canada the laws are the result of the will of the majority of the people, as represented by the people they put into office.

Date: 3/5/2009 9:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 19613    What Admin said ^.  
Date: 3/6/2009 6:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 2030    Bad machines should be de-commisioned.  
Date: 3/6/2009 6:30:00 AM  From Authorid: 2030    So if he gets "cured" who wants him to move next door?  
Date: 3/6/2009 7:53:00 AM  From Authorid: 19613    I think some people are just so shocked by the gruesomeness of the case that they’re letting their emotions get in the way of common sense. The fact is that there are crazy people out there (and if this guy doesn’t count as crazy then who does?) and these people are not responsible for their actions in the same way as you or I.  
Date: 3/6/2009 1:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 22275    That is disgusting  
Date: 3/6/2009 1:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    Radman-I do feel very sorry for ppl who are mentally ill. But those that are a danger to themselves, or others need monitoring. They do not need to be out on the streets. There are many victims in this story, including the Man who commited the crime. But this man should never be out in public again.  
Date: 3/6/2009 4:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 35720    I feel horrible for the victim's family.  
Date: 3/7/2009 10:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 24673    WHAT!!!!???? This man is beyond sick! Hope he NEVER gets out even if he does become "well", rubbish!  
Date: 3/13/2009 2:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 13119    if he ever gets out then he should immediately be deported back to China, we don't need him here.  

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