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And they call themselves Christian...

  Author:  15675  Category:(Discussion) Created:(2/8/2008 6:47:00 PM)
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This is a rant. This is not Anti Christian. Just I am having a HECK of a time (refer to the last story here) with Christian roommates and their self professed high and mightisim has got me to ranting. Please note as I say at the end I know there are good Christians out there. This is not a debate; just a discussion.

Im a Pagan. Have been since I was 13 which is almost 8 years now. I didnt grow up in a Pagan or even religious house hold. I think Ive documented some of that in previous USM stories. I found my faith via what spoke to me, and I set out to be a good person doing so.

And not to toot my own horn but I AM a good person. Growing up in an abusive household I could not STAND the hypocrisy when my parents would try and tell me Im bad when in fact THEY were the ones doing something bad (ex: my mom would lie and say I was a violent child though I never struck anyone; the social workers believed here and almost sent me away...despite the fact SHE was physically abusing me.) Thus in my mind as an adult in this world NO ONE is going to push me around, and NO ONE is going to tell me Im a bad person when in fact THEY are the bad ones...trying to pull wool over my eyes.

Being a Christian based nation the hypocrisy of 'so called' Christians is astounding. I grew up in a 'bible belt' and learned early on just not to discuss religion because people would conjure up Devils and Terrorists if you spoke of anything other then Christianity. When I converted my mother was sure I was going to hell, and several people told me the same.

Nothing drives me more batty then when these hypocritical Christians act like they are 'in the know' of something you as a non Christian or non religious person arent. They sit there and force Christ down your throats (which in and of itself is against Christianity; if I remember correctly the Bible says to try and proselytize once and only once; after that it is up to the person they are trying to convert to actually convert) and then if you politely say your not interested they sit and hold a 'hell' over you...as if since they believe in hell EVERYONE must (Christians are the only faith that believes in a hell, Muslims have something similar but most religions rely on karma or a rule of 3 over a hell.)

I've been a renter for 3 years now. Ive always been the most polite and kind person I can be. Im always truthful and pay all my bills and speak my limits if someone is trying to convince me to agree to something I wouldnt be able to do (such as say I'll pay an exhubrant amount of money when I cant). Of my roommates I have literally lived with EVERYONE: Agnostic, Christian, Black, White, Hispanic, Gay, Straight, 20 something to 60 something, man, woman, single, taken. But of all of them the 'Christian' ones are the ones who have tried to use me, and have mistreated me more then anything. For the record when I move somewhere I dont speak of religion or if pressed I just say Im spiritual and believe in 'something'. I dont speak religion even if they beg me to. Im mentioning race and gender just to show its not limited to one particular type.

The first 'Christian' one was a hispanic man. He was not pleased that I would not date him and outside of trying to push Christianity on me he would get abusive over nothing. He would clog the shower drain (he was hairy LOL) and then come yell at ME about it. And I mean YELL. When he got a gf he kicked me out with no notice...very Christian like. One night as he pressed me to believe in Christianity my poor brain couldnt take the stupid things he was saying (the history of religion and man) and finally countered back about the history of what we were speaking of (I believe the origin of holidays). His reply was: Your not supposed to know about that!

Compared to the next 2 though he wasnt too bad. Then I moved in with a black woman from Trinidad. She pressed for me to tell me religious beliefs and I just claimed my agnostic stance. This was enough to get her to leave me alone but her actions as a self proclaimed Christian woman who went to church every Sunday were far from what a Christian should be. The worst was when I generously gave her 2 months notice on me moving. I'm 5'4, have a bad back, and have no muscle these days to speak of. I had a lot of furniture: a heavy bookcase, a bed, and a desk. She started threatening me that if I didnt remove them in a DAY that she'd take me to court over them. Unfortanitly I had no friends to help me so it'd be impossible for me to get a bookcase down the stairs let alone a heavy mattress. They were nice things and it was an unfurnished room; she could have sold them in the least if she didnt want them! She made me stay up all night the day before I moved cross country to make sure the room was spotless. Otherwise again Id be 'taken to court' (my room was clean; but she was crazy so ya know :p.)

She didnt trust me from the get go and put a lock and an alarm on her bedroom door (why would I want in there), wouldnt let me get the mail, and would accuse me of going in the living room despite I had not (per her wishes).

On a good note though her boyfriend was a strong Christian man and I believe he was from Jamacia. I didnt know him very well but he stuck up for me, and he calmed her down and said he would move the things down. He helped someone when they were down; and to me that is a good person no matter a faith.

Then there was an older white man who had been Jewish but now claimed to be Christian. He had a big house and rented out a room to me, a room to an older male friend, and a room to an older female friend. I can honestly say until the next and last story this was the WORST expierence I ever had. His girlfriend would yell if we used the dishwasher (I believe theres a post on this somewhere) despite her SHOWING us how to use it when we moved in (she was just crazy), that older male roommate would bang on my door at 4am calling me every name in the book and threatening to call the cops and tell them I hit him despite me never having touched him, and then suspiciously one night after such an incident my back window of my car was smashed in. According to this good Christian man my safety was 'none of his concern'. Uh...huh.

The final horrid tale comes from taking the older white woman with me when I moved. We moved into a nice place and we had been friends. I had told her of my faith because she had told me of her bad life and how men would use and abuse her and I had tried to give her tips on how to protect herself and act confident and strong. She claimed to be a strong Christian woman and more so then any of the other people I mentioned. She had 2 Bibles with her at all times, wore a cross and had one on the wall, and went to church every Sunday. She also unlike a lot of proclaimed Christians read her Bible almost every day and takes Bible verses as guidance on situations in her life. She turned out to be the looniest of them all.

I was as nice as possible to this woman. I took pictures of her and her dog (she had lost all her pictures while living in the car years before), Id give her rides, I gave her bday and Christmas gifts, Id take her out to have a night of fun with me (we celebrated New Years together), I trusted her with help in my career and offered help with hers, I was nice to her dog, I bought some basic living things neither of us had (like a shower curtain, sponges, etc), etc, etc. I tried to help her with spiritual guidance as asked otherwise I didnt discuss it, I helped her find her cross and later one of her Bibles when she lost it, and I was always respectful to her as a person and her beliefs...despite how she wasnt to me.

She claimed even after I explained to her that she didnt know what a Pagan was. She claimed that though we held similar spiritual beliefs I was WRONG because I didnt believe in only one God (ironically she believed in several Gods that led up to one God), and that I wasnt a good person because though I believed in him I didnt worship Jesus. She told people I was a Pagan in business situations (I feel business and religion have no mix together) to prompt laughs from her Christian friends, and well...we're not done.

She started becoming psycho on me. I know she has some mental issues because of her life but I have never done anything wrong to her; I have always been good so why would she FREAK OUT (literally screaming fits) at me? She did 4 in 4 weeks and even when she'd come back to sanity she'd say she had had such fits at me accusing me of this and that because of some other stress in her life that had nothing to do with me. I told her it had to knock off or I was moving. She cant afford the rent without me so it would be in her favor to be kind to me. She promised each and every time she would and to give her 'one more chance'.

Well a few nights ago I got ill. My right side was hurting and I could not even lay down. No insurance meant Id have to go the ER. She doesnt have a car but she has a liscense. I asked her to drive me in my car. She said she had to wait for a call and 'couldnt' though later she admitted she just wouldnt want to wait around. Im okay, I have a cyst on my ovaries thus the pain. But they doped me up good and I was there for 7 hours. When I left they told me not to drive for about an hour and even though I listened I shouldnt have driven still because it was BAD (like drunk driving bad). I shouldnt have driven myself to or from there. When I got home she admitted her reasoning and then gave me heck for leaving the heat on when I LEFT FOR THE HOSPITAL. This somehow got into a rent rant and before I knew it she was freaking out on me AGAIN despite being fresh from the hospital.

She likes to lie too. Our original agreement was $700 in rent and thats it because I cant pay more. She would do the utilities unless I got cable which would be my own money and Id pay that in the middle of the month (I never did get it). She begged me to get the gas in my name because 'she couldnt get it with her credit' so I did. She then changed this on me saying I had put it in my name because Id PAY it. I told her this would not fly and Id get it out of my name. That shut her up and she went back to the original agreement. Then when I threatened to get it out of my name again she restated her real reason (her credit). When I got it out of my name yesterday that was enough to get her to say we're back to March 1st. I still owe her that $100 but now shes telling me she wont pay the bill (its $75 now and another week worth will probably bring it up to $100) and I have to give her $100 anyways. She did say I dont have to pay the prorate anymore. But let me just say yeah right. I havent told her that yet though; Im scared that'll take us back to the part of the story below.

The next day she moved all my stuff from one room to another without asking my permission or telling me (Id come home and it was already done and just piled in there; it was also 11pm at night not an ideal time to move stuff) and combined with her freak out the night before I told her this was it...Im moving out March 1st. Knowing that meant she couldnt make the rent and shes too psycho to 'trust' anyone else to move in (for instance she thinks people on their cell phones are Aliens trying to steal her energy; and she threw her cell phone out the window for the same warped reason) she proceeded to have her BIGGEST FREAK OUT EVER on me.

Literally this involved throwing papers, getting my face telling me what a horrible person I am, and when I went to pour myself a glass of water she threw the pitcher OUT of my hand and grabed my wrist. She told me I had to get out that night and then changed it to the next morning and that she would not apologize 'in the morning' (i.e. when shes sane). I have paid all my rent to her except for $100 ($600 out of $700) via an agreement we made before we moved, and I owe her prorate for 2 weeks but I am legit paid up enough to live there.

I left and as I did I said a 'good Christian woman wouldnt throw someone out on the streets.' She said 'I dont care' and shut the door. I called the cops to ask my rights. According to them without a 30 day notice/eviction notice she cant kick me out no matter what even if she moved. Well I went to go home and she called me calling me certain names I cant say on USM. I called them again and asked if they'd escort me because she was still threatening to kick me out in the streets. Her 'Christian-nest' of colors showed then.

She acted completely psycho and even threatened me in front of the cops. They almost took her in on that alone. She lied to them telling them I had only paid her $300 and lied again saying the fake utility agreement. She then said in the tone you would say someone is well...a very bad person "SHES A PAGAN!" The cops looked at me like 'you poor kid for dealing with her' and at her like 'you crazy woman' and said 'Well there's nothing wrong with being a Pagan'. Through this whole thing with the cops she was screaming, interuptting them, acting looney, and professing her Christian beliefs. Im sorry but if your gonna do that and threaten someone in front of the cops then I dont think you'd want to profess your spiritual beliefs...it wouldnt make your faith look very good from Pagan to Muslim to Christian.

As they left she shouted how I need Jesus in my life and how I need to read the Bible. They told us not to talk to each other and left saying they didnt wanna be out there again. I went to my messed up room and she followed repeating those things. I told her to stop talking to me or I was calling them again. She finally shut up and then started saying she wanted to be friends and to hug and have a talk. Knowing if I didnt she'd go crazy for the rest of the night (it was 2am by this point) I agreed. We talked for 2 hours and she basically was kissing up to me to make me stay. I told her Id put her on trial since I cant go anywhere till March 1st anyways. She never apologized for what she said and though she acted normal the next morning you already know the finale part.

Last night she had lost her old Bible and thought it was in my room. I helped her look and did find it. She was being nice to me then. Then this morning shes not screaming but she was being mean, and she told me Im no longer allowed to get the mail (we had left the key on the mantle so either of us could check it) because in short she doesnt trust me. I dont trust her either and said she reminds me alot of the Black lady Christian I mentioned earlier. She said 'Well Im a Christian so I wont take your mail you can trust me!' I said 'So was she!' And she said 'Well your a Pagan and that means your untrustworthy so Im getting the mail its in my name lalala!' I know I could go probably get the cops back on this...but Im waiting to see how it plays out.

I have to put up with her for another few weeks and Im not thrilled over the matter. But I have to say its funny (in an ironic way; Christians used to be persecuted) and sad that these people sit there on their pedastels thinking they are so high and mighty by speaking Christ's name when in reality Im sure Jesus is very upset with their actions.

I REFUSE to judge anyone by their religion. I have met people of every faith even Yazidi and those people are people I judge by their actions not their faith. There are perfectly good and honest Christians out there who are good people. It just makes me SICK and SAD to see how some of them feel the need to treat people this way.

And on that note I have seen bad Pagans before. Looney people who sneer at Christians or Jews because of the percieved 'persecution' by those faiths to us though I dont think thats fair to judge EVERY person you meet on the actions of others. Id like to go on a rant about the treatment of Muslims but I dont have time...maybe another day.

*Breathes*

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Date: 2/8/2008 7:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 12072    I think you have really rotten luck...or something. I don't know. Here I thought some of my roommate experiences were bad! I consider myself Christian, very conservative, but I too can't stand "those" people, those that give Christians a bad name. And sadly there's a lot of them out there. Best of luck finding a normal roomie!!  
Date: 2/8/2008 7:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    Wow. Just.....wow. The only thing I can say is, if someone is a jerk, they are going to be a jerk, no matter what "Religion" (or lack thereof) they profess. That is a completely volatile situation.  
Date: 2/8/2008 7:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 62146    First up I am so sorry this had to happen to you. Roomates can be hard to deal with sometimes, but I am sure they wont all be that way. I am christian myself, And I agree the bible is very clear on how wrong it is to treat non christians like they are nothing! This means judging and abuseing them. Because as jesus says you just do not do that to anyone. I Go to a pentecostal chruch Here in my area. And I love the messages and everything, but somtimes the people take the word WAY to seriously and force it onto other people. I mean my church is pretty good as far as chruch goes. You get a few bad eggs but not alot. But sometimes I get embarrased by these other christians when you preach to those who just do not care. Like this time me and my chruch friends were all out in the city. And two of my friends got their bibles and started going up to random people and saying "hello let me tell you about jesus" No one wanted to listen. And they could not understand why. Which means they lack common sense about how people think... :-/  
Date: 2/8/2008 8:13:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675    Thanks guys. Well in my ranting I guess I should have put another number here. Of all my roommates I've had 13 over the years; so minus these loonies thats 8 good people or people who didnt cause me serious grief (it sounds high; I've lived in 6 places now). I know not all Christians are this way; I just cant believe they like to shout Jesus's name while doing these crazy crazy things. And its not even so much treating anyone of a dif faith wrong; Ive seen Christians treat other Christians badly (like for instance the white male former Jew I rented from sexually harassed the crazy white woman I live with now). They should treat ALL humans good.

And as for 'preaching to people who dont care' its not so much that people dont care; its just to someone who is not Christian they dont see the world as Christians do. Christians and Muslims are really the only two faiths who are certain everyone must be like them or their in trouble. Most other faiths (Hindu to Pagan to even Jew) are a lot more tolerant of other religions then their own. It may not be that people dont care; its just Christians are sometimes a little too forceful more so then any other faith in proselytizing. If someone wants to be Christian they will come unto Christ via their own choices; not because someone chased them down at the mall.
  
Date: 2/8/2008 8:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 4309    It is not that you are only supposed to teach once and move on. Its not that you will not listen so you will not be a sheep. Its that you where not a sheep to begin with so you will not listen. The sheep listen because they where already sheep to begin with.  
Date: 2/8/2008 8:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 64497    I know how you feel.. I grew up in the bible belt as well.. I just love how they put themselves on a pedestal and tell you that you are going to hell.. Just because there is a little thing different with you. Best of luck with putting up with that crazy lady.  
Date: 2/8/2008 8:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 4887    Wow. It sickens me when people act like this. Specially when they call themselves "Christian"  
Date: 2/8/2008 9:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 820    I am an atheist. I grew up, and still live, in Northeastern ND/Northwestern MN. If you're not lutheran, catholic, or christian, you're weird. You're evil. You're not a good person. I've dealt with this ever since I proclaimed myself an atheist many years ago (I was about 12 - I'm 21 now). I just recently had my in laws get in on me raising my son to be an atheist and how it's "sad". First off, I'm not raising my son to be ANYTHING - I'm giving him an opportunity not many children get: the ability to find their own path and do whatever makes THEM happy - not ME. It's just frustrating. I'm sorry that you've had to deal with people's intolerance of your beliefs. Of all religions, I've always admired Pagans and I've always got along with them - if they hear I'm an atheist, they don't prod and I don't think they really care - it seems every pagan I've ever met just has the "to each his own" mentality. The best approach that I've found reguarding people's comments and attempts to "save" you from your "heathen path": ignore them, and know that YOU'RE content, YOU'RE happy, YOU know what YOU believe, and THEY can't touch that. One of my favorite quotes: "If your god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you." I hope you find a better room mate somewhere down the road.   
Date: 2/9/2008 12:06:00 AM  From Authorid: 7830    Ya...defenitly not Christians. Those who follow Christ do not treat people that way. Im sorry youve had such bad experiences..  
Date: 2/9/2008 1:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 8024    I'd say you ran into some bad christians..also there are alot of people here who are anti -christian ..  
Date: 2/9/2008 3:10:00 AM  ( Chatmin-CC )   then again the world has alot of christian haters..c
Date: 2/9/2008 1:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 63743    I am so sorry that this happen to you, and I totally know what you are going thru. I got kicked out of a house wants because I refused to go to church on sundays... Its so sad that there are people that behave that way and that with their Bible on hand will put you down but I am glad that you are open minded and can tell that people should be judge by their actions. Hang in there its only a few more weeks!   
Date: 2/9/2008 2:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 40350    Wow...so sorry to hear about your experiences. Hope you are able to find someone 'sane' to live with or else find a way to live alone. I loved your use of the word 'proselytize'. I had never heard that one before and it is not noted and stored in my vocabulary. Tee hee. I feel like I should offer an experience I've had or else some advice on the matter, but truly I've neither to give. You seem like an steadfast woman with an intelligent head on her shoulders so I'm sure if there's a way, you'll find it. *huggles*  
Date: 2/9/2008 7:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    I'm confused here, you say in your post that one of your room mates, housemate or what ever, that you told her that you were going to move out on march 1st but then you tell her she isn't a good christian woman for kicking you out?  
Date: 2/9/2008 7:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 64365    I can put on a bearskin, and growl, and swipe my claws...but that doesn't make me a bear...  
Date: 2/9/2008 7:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    amen nani  
Date: 2/9/2008 7:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 4309    If only we as a people truly could know for sure what faith really is. What Hell really is. This man possibly knows but who here can verify his words for 100% that would be accepted by all as fact? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2575536377261580026&q=Raised+from+the+Dead&total=879&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1  
Date: 2/9/2008 7:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 21764    yeah I agree with Spirit Child.. some people are just jerks. I am sorry you have had this happen to you.. hope things get better soon!  
Date: 2/10/2008 8:15:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675    Thanks guys for the comments! Firstborn I told her that and it is what I wanted but since I told her that she is making my life a living hell complete with turning off the utilities and entering my room (since I sublet the cops said there isnt much they can do). She screams at me all the time and well...I've already described her craziness.

As for Christian haters Im not trying to be one; I just want believe anyone who so deeply believes themselves Christian would act these ways. However I know not ALL Christians are this way please do know that.
  
Date: 2/10/2008 11:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 4309    ^^ Really has nothing to do with "All Christians". It has to do whether or not they really are Christians or not.  
Date: 2/10/2008 11:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 4309    I think Nani already touched on that subject though.  
Date: 2/12/2008 12:06:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    It bothers me too that someone would tote the name of Christian and then act that way. Perhaps you will be lucky and find a decent christian or perhaps a pagan person to live with. I'm thinking you might get along better with a pagan.  
Date: 2/12/2008 3:48:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675    Firstborn I think Id get along well with someone who is SANE LOL! Religion aside because my other roommates have not been Pagan or particularly Christian (usually agnostic or not religious) and we got along fine. Thanks everyone!  
Date: 2/17/2008 8:03:00 AM  From Authorid: 51393    I will come back and read this later on seems interesting.My head hurts like you would not believe.I love the way you write.You should be a journalist!  
Date: 2/17/2008 5:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 51393    This is very sad how people can be so ugly by using the lords name in vain.I believed it is not the christian or catholic or whomever with a religion beliefs they claimed.I believed it is nothing but a personality a bad ruthless behavior that some just can't help exposed their true colors.So many christians who truly believed in God and treated others with respect and love.I know so many people out there who truly are a good people.Yes there are some bad apples.You have to remember "WE" are all different personality wise.How people we're brought up and how they managed being on their own.Whether their mentally adapt to be treated fairly or be weary of them.We live and learn and as time goes by we get stronger mind heart and soul.Sometimes it is best to live on your own until you can truly managed to pay your own bill without having any room mates....Just a thought....Much love and hugs to you...  
Date: 2/17/2008 8:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    People can call themselves whatever they choose, but we know them by how they present thenselves. Being kind and being human has no name. It means we care because we love one one another without worry about what that person believes in, we worry more about the heart and how one sets and excample. Good post!  

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