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Lease question

  Author:  15675  Category:(General Advice) Created:(11/21/2007 9:34:00 AM)
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Im getting reaaallly annoyed with my roommates. The house consists of me, 2 other roommates, and then two 'roommates' who are also the landlords. When I first moved in it was only supposed to be on roommate in addition to the landlords but of course this changed. And to make it even more annoying it was supposed to be someone my age the other are both well over 40 or possibly 50 (I havent asked) same as the landlords.

Its a nice house and the landlords seemed nice enough. But its starting to be one INSANE issue after another. First was the paper thin walls where the old man next door to me has an issue with my TV on no matter how low I turn it (I won that one but it took a few WEEKS). The other was the other roommates room is lacking half a wall (think like a loft thing) and the light was bothering her at night when Id go downstairs; where my bathroom is.

Now the grand finale which is REALLY annoying me. The landlords are a couple. The woman seemed nice enough and really sweet. However shes apparrently really well...not a g rated word about her kitchen. Things have to be in a certain place; the fridge is HERS (so much so that her bf had to buy a new fridge for the 3 of us). But the best one is the dishwasher.

Apparently she doesnt want anyone touching it or loading it. There was a note left to this effect which I found REALLY odd. Now the 6 of us are all sharing dishes so you cant really tell who is whos. When I did dishes Id load some ones from the sink in; you know to be nice and not wasteful. This apparently drove her insane.

I was told I COULDNT USE the dishwasher at all EVER and I had to HAND WASH my dishes. I dont do that. When I check out places I dont ask about dishwashers because most places do end up having them. If you have it WHY NOT use it? Outside of her umm 'insistence' the guy said extra loads would cost extra water (my utilities are one flat rate in the rent) which I dont think should matter.

I went to do dishes last night and 'light girl' asked me not to because she would hear them (it was after 10pm so thats acceptable). Everything was loaded including the soap but I was nice and agreed. I just wake up to hear the two landlords and her complaining over whatever I 'did' to the dishwasher. What I did was what I said plus loaded some dishes from the sink that were not mine. How horrible am I!?

Ugh it annoys me. In my lease I signed for 6 months (till April) and it has a part about where Im allowed to go and I believe it says kitchen or 'common areas' something to that effect. I cant believe legally that would disclude a dishwasher. So therein lies my question. Legally do I have a dang right to this dishwasher? What should I do? Thanks!

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Date: 11/21/2007 11:07:00 AM  From Authorid: 63194    All I can say is that this is why I am happy that I rent and live alone.  
Date: 11/21/2007 2:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 46530    I would think that as the landlords are in the property and own all items in that property they can say whatever they want if not stipulated in your contract. They would have to provide some means for you to clean your dishes etc but as the sink is available that's covered. You could see about terminating your contract under some rule or another concerning standards of living not meeting expectations but you would probably lose out financially. If you want to live there then you have to live up to their standards, if you don't then find somewhere else. That's the problem with house sharing, you can't set your own rules.  
Date: 11/21/2007 5:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 25481    Im in a lease too until May. I have 3 OTHER room mates and Im not really fed up with them personally I just don't really like the way they live. ONe girl refuses to put in for groceries but feels that whatever is in the pantry or fridge she is entitled to. I ALSO had to buy my OWN fridge for my room. So I am pretty much living in a dorm in my OWN trailer which is in MY name. So I am working on getting me an apartment once my lease goes out. With 0 room mates.  
Date: 11/21/2007 9:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 52489    the woman sounds like an OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) type of person, and nothing you say or do will please her. If your lease stipulates that you cannot use the dishwasher, and you signed it, then you're up a creek. My advice is to start looking for another place to live, and grit your teeth. But do not deliberately aggravate your landlords. Their opinion of you will be taken into account at the next place where you rent.  
Date: 11/26/2007 11:59:00 AM  From Authorid: 18527    You don't really have a right to the dishwasher, sorry. I'd recommend using paper plates. I have to say I kind of sympathize with the landlords because I have a tenant (who is my best friend but if he wasn't he would be sooo gone) who broke the door off of my dryer balancing his laundry basket on it, and tried to put a 6 gallon stock pot in the dishwasher just yesterday. I told him to hand wash it because it's way too big. Reasonable accomodations don't include dishwashers. They are a luxury. Maybe you can invest in a small countertop model and that way you can take it with you when you move.  
Date: 11/26/2007 4:08:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675    Ya but Keithra their reasoning is not sane. In an update to this when I woke up that day my other roommate gave me the full story since the landlords were gone to vacation. Apparently this crazy woman swore there were clean dishes in there (I recall seeing food on them but this is beyond the point; there were like 3 other dishes in there) and that I had ruined it by filling both racks with dirty dishes. She literally began CRYING and THROWING the dishes in the sink instead of just doing them. In my opinion a sane person (even if those dishes had been clean) woulda been annoyed at best and just let the other roommate finish the load as she had planned instead of having to wash it all by hand.

In my opinion if you didnt want someone to use the dishwasher it should be said in the lease. When I told my landlord that he said he 'didnt know itd be a problem'. And both of their reasonings are not sane (his only reason is it upset her over said logic above). I just decided to sneak them at night...forget it I dont care. I havent broken anything or done anything wrong and I spent enough years with crazy people...I dont mind moving.
  
Date: 12/11/2007 9:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 64549    I think these people will drive you nuts til you move out! Let's see... watch TV with earphones on, take a flashlight to go to the bathroom, and wash all dishes by hand. Aside from the obvious (look for another place ASAP) be sure you follow that lease to the letter. Give written notice of your intent to move 60 days before the termination of your lease (or whatever is spelled out in your papers) and have it delivered via certified mail.

In the meantime... I wonder if you can switch rooms with the loft lady? Would that solve the light and TV problems? Good luck honey!
Date: 1/21/2008 8:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 47218    Hee. The silly thing is, the dishwasher-- as long as it's fully loaded-- is way more conservative of energy and water than handwashing. Plus, I'm sure you're probably having to wash dishes the really wasteful way--just a few at a time with the water running-- rather than filling up the sink and washing a whole bunch at once. It amazes me that anyone would choose to handwash dishes these days (except for ones that you have to handwash). There seems to be this old-fashioned mindset that dishwashers are a lazy convenience and that handwashing is superior. In actuality-- dishwashers conserve time, effort, water, energy, and they sanitize dishes much better than what most people do through handwashing. (off soapbox)  

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