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Date: 9/20/2007 4:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Complete rebuttal to the "Bill of Non-Rights " or "New Preamble" can be read here: http://www.smijer.com/letters/archives/000736.html![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 4:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
EXERPT from that link: "Article XI: We have a responsibility to understand our nation’s history and heritage. That includes the good: the bill of rights, the emancipation proclamation, and every triumph over tyranny and every advance in the quality of our society, but it also includes the bad: the extermination of Native Americans, the trail of tears, slavery, child labor, Vietnam, and many other regrettables. We have a responsibility to leave a history and heritage for our children that include more of the good, and no more of the bad. Part of that history and heritage was our nation’s founding by people of various faiths, including various denominations of Christianity, Deism and some who would today be considered “atheistic". Part of that heritage is a separation of church and state embodied in numerous ways by our Constitution. And part of that heritage is the later addition of religious slogans to our currency, and (in the days of McCarthyism, to our Pledge of Allegiance). There will continue to be a debate about the wisdom and constitutionality of those changes. That debate is also a part of our history and heritage. Our responsibility is to carry out that debate honestly, rationally, with wisdom, and at least for me, with a large eye toward the Golden Rule."![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 7:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 26803
"you do not have the "right" to never be offended." people are offended by many things. I am offended by flag burning, but I understand a person's right to do so. Others are no doubt offended by my political views when I express them loudly (when pushed) at a party. But they understand my right to express my opinion. Therefore I understand that I do not have the right to never be offended. It makes sense. ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 7:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 26803
You can object to what offends you, but unless it is against the law you have no right to demand that they stop doing what it is that offends you. ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 7:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 26803
The one about being free from harm could have been explained better. I think he is talking about people who sue when they spill hot coffee on themselves, or manufacturers of things that they hurt themselves with. I didn't see where he wrote that you do not have the right not to be harmed by others...as in your example. ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 7:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 26803
I won't get into the God section of your post as I don't really feel as strongly about it as you do. And the war issue will forever be a point of contention between us. So I'll leave that one alone as well. These would just be back and forth heated responses that only serve to prove what we all ready know...we don't agree on them...LOL. Good post. ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 7:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
What?, Coenlaf, Why no comment on the fact that this is false; a rip-off ; a plagirization of someone elses writing and passed along as to make it look like it is Mitchell Kaye's? Did you check out the SNOPES article? http://www.snopes.com/language/document/norights.asp ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 7:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 26803
I don't really mind who wrote it, I just wanted to respond to your take on a few of the articles. ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 7:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 26803
I think that some people feel the need to claim that someone of power wrote or said something to make people take notice. I don't like this one bit, and would not knowingly do it. This does not, however, interfear with my ability to read the words and agree or disagree with them. ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 7:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
*laughs* You don't "mind" that it is false; that it is plagirized? Coenlaf, you and I both know that IF it were something posted against what you believe in or something you agree with; you'd be all in there; all over it like you know what on a stick. YOU would mind then! ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 7:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 26803
You get me wrong. I guess you didn't have time to read my second...I agree with you that this should not be done. But I wanted to respond to your take on a couple points...What I meant by not minding who wrote it was this. I can separate that issue (who wrote it) from the words that are written. I don't like the one, but I can still read the words and agree or disagree with them. I don't know how to explain it better, hope you understand what I'm saying. ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 7:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Coenlaf, I posted this not to get into the points made in the plagirized version. My MAIN reason was to show how a certain individual does this repeatedly and because she won't allow me to reply to the points made on her post. ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 8:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 26803
well, if you didn't want your points on "harm" and "being offended" to be discussed, you shouldn't have brought them up. I'm sorry that my reponses to your subpoints did not suit you. I promiss to try harder next time. ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 9:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Did you check out this? >>>> http://www.smijer.com/letters/archives/000736.html ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 11:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
The Americans can have JOhn HOward and Peter Costello coz they are going to lose the next election ![]() |
Date: 9/20/2007 11:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
QUOTE:"My MAIN reason was to show how a certain individual does this repeatedly and because she won't allow me to reply to the points made on her post. ". Not only have you been asked repeatedly not to address, comment to, comment about, and reply to post(s) written by this person-this person has asked you, (and on more than one occassion, you, yourself, have gone to Admins and complained about exactly what you are doing here in this post.) You are too old for this garbage. (And reading this drek is time in my life I will never get back.) Writing posts to reply to other posts that you have no buisness even being involved in, let alone replying to, borders on obsession. There is an arrogance in believing that you have the answers that somehow the rest of us missed (*chuckles*). How about if you delete my comment, I will make a post with MY reply to THIS topic. Fair enough...? Now, was it so important to try to prove the other person wrong? Or that you were right? *shakes head* Really, Middle School-type Drama. Real life, and Adult Company calls. I have had my say on the subject..... ![]() |
Date: 9/21/2007 4:47:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
SpiritChild, I'm sorry but you've only heard HER side of the story about the ""been asked repeatedly not to address, comment to, comment about, and reply to post(s)" . Only HER side. And I'm not about to air the whole history here either. And THAT is a whole other topic aside from this matter, SC. ![]() |
Date: 9/21/2007 4:57:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
You're being completely hypocritical about the "Writing posts to reply to other posts "! My word, SC, the history of USM is filled with spin offs of posts or replies to post! You know it. No, you are the one who is being rather childish and showing middle school drama here, coming by to try to defend your buddy, showing peeple how popular you are. Popularity is everything to you, SC. "Drama" ? "Drek" ? Don't get me started, SC. Thy name; thy history online is nothing but drama. ![]() |
Date: 9/21/2007 5:13:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Remember now, several times I've seen posts where someone found out about someone's posting stuff that was untrue; plagiarized, made up, or even by alleged "dead" people come back to life, and brought it out into the open. Nobody came forth and accused them of being "obsessive" or "arrogant". No, most the time the posts were pounced on and everybody had to get in on the frenzy. I won't give any examples because I am quite positive you might misconstrue that as me having "arrogance in believing that I have answers" that you missed. And, one last thing, dearie. You have a very short memory! I don't. Not only has she herself made MANY posts to reply to posts, but I can name you quite a few on here who have and do the same all the time. You want me to message you with the details? Or do you wish to continue here with this "drek" in hopes of getting this deleted? ![]() |
Date: 9/21/2007 5:21:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
I've been accused of being "arrogant", 'rude' and or 'obsessive' , many times. Usually by those who hate being called out on something. If by having a penchant for details, facts, and at least trying to adhere to truthfulness in reporting is considered all those things, well then, So be it. Stick on whatever label you wish. I'm not about to join the liars, twisters, manipulators, and poseurs, just to be popular; just to appear to be in "the in crowd". ![]() |
Date: 9/21/2007 5:30:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Kurtvedder, your comment perhaps meant for another post? That one about "we need a leader" ? ![]() |
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