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Reply to "NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION" (Spam) Post

  Author:  24924  Category:(Discussion) Created:(9/20/2007 4:11:00 PM)
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"United States Bill of Non-Rights" or "New Preamble" (Mitchell Kaye) spam many of you might have got in an e-mail which SNOPES http://www.snopes.com/language/document/norights.asp

clearly shows is FALSE:

"The following has been attributed to State Representative Mitchell Kaye from GA. This guy should run for President one day..."

"We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal bed-wetters.

We hold these truths to be self evident: That a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights."

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.

ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.

ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.

ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from!

(Lastly....)

ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no faith at all; with no fear of persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!!!!

If you agree, share this with a friend. No, you don't have to, and nothing tragic will befall you if you don't. I just think it's about time common sense is allowed to flourish. Sensible people of the United States speak out because if you do not, who will?

********************************************************************* Note: some portions of this was incorporated into the "America needs a leader like this post . :D ****************************************************************************

So, ok now, here's my reply to such tripe:

If nobody has a right to be offended, then nobody has a right to object to: * Flag burning * Rewriting the Pledge of Allegiance * Refusing to say that pledge * Most of the content of the "Bill of No Rights", for that matter, including refusal to speak English and rejection of "In God We Trust".

And if nobody has a right to be free from harm, then that means that nobody has a right to a crime-free life -- nobody has a right to be free from being stolen from or beaten up or murdered.



I've seen versions of this without Articles X and XI and with Articles VII and IX bumped up with this one inserted in between:

Quote: "ARTICLE VIII: You don't have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat."

ummmm......I wonder if this also applies to George W. Bush's wars?

I think that Article XII in this version could be handled with a generalized FAQ about the origin of the US government:

The Declaration of Independence mentions a God who grants rights and who acts as an ultimate lawgiver -- and only that. The DOI God does not fix political and military contests any more than that entity fixes sports matches.

The Constitution starts off with: Quote: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Which is far removed from "All we're doing is following God's orders."

The Constitution was criticized in the 19th century for being "godless", which, in fact, it is.

Check out the ORIGINAL version at SNOPES: http://www.snopes.com/language/document/norights.asp

It seems that this email is a edited version of an original libertarian joke... I think that the original is hilarious, but the fact that the plagiarist removed the one he didn't like and then copy-pasted two more from other Christian spam just makes it sad. Very sad, indeed.







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Date: 9/20/2007 4:28:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    Complete rebuttal to the "Bill of Non-Rights " or "New Preamble" can be read here: http://www.smijer.com/letters/archives/000736.html

  
Date: 9/20/2007 4:31:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    EXERPT from that link: "Article XI: We have a responsibility to understand our nation’s history and heritage. That includes the good: the bill of rights, the emancipation proclamation, and every triumph over tyranny and every advance in the quality of our society, but it also includes the bad: the extermination of Native Americans, the trail of tears, slavery, child labor, Vietnam, and many other regrettables. We have a responsibility to leave a history and heritage for our children that include more of the good, and no more of the bad. Part of that history and heritage was our nation’s founding by people of various faiths, including various denominations of Christianity, Deism and some who would today be considered “atheistic". Part of that heritage is a separation of church and state embodied in numerous ways by our Constitution. And part of that heritage is the later addition of religious slogans to our currency, and (in the days of McCarthyism, to our Pledge of Allegiance). There will continue to be a debate about the wisdom and constitutionality of those changes. That debate is also a part of our history and heritage. Our responsibility is to carry out that debate honestly, rationally, with wisdom, and at least for me, with a large eye toward the Golden Rule."
  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 26803    "you do not have the "right" to never be offended." people are offended by many things. I am offended by flag burning, but I understand a person's right to do so. Others are no doubt offended by my political views when I express them loudly (when pushed) at a party. But they understand my right to express my opinion. Therefore I understand that I do not have the right to never be offended. It makes sense.  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 26803    You can object to what offends you, but unless it is against the law you have no right to demand that they stop doing what it is that offends you.  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 26803    The one about being free from harm could have been explained better. I think he is talking about people who sue when they spill hot coffee on themselves, or manufacturers of things that they hurt themselves with. I didn't see where he wrote that you do not have the right not to be harmed by others...as in your example.  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 26803    I won't get into the God section of your post as I don't really feel as strongly about it as you do. And the war issue will forever be a point of contention between us. So I'll leave that one alone as well. These would just be back and forth heated responses that only serve to prove what we all ready know...we don't agree on them...LOL. Good post.  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:28:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    What?, Coenlaf, Why no comment on the fact that this is false; a rip-off ; a plagirization of someone elses writing and passed along as to make it look like it is Mitchell Kaye's? Did you check out the SNOPES article?
http://www.snopes.com/language/document/norights.asp

  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 26803    I don't really mind who wrote it, I just wanted to respond to your take on a few of the articles.  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 26803    I think that some people feel the need to claim that someone of power wrote or said something to make people take notice. I don't like this one bit, and would not knowingly do it. This does not, however, interfear with my ability to read the words and agree or disagree with them.  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:38:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    *laughs* You don't "mind" that it is false; that it is plagirized? Coenlaf, you and I both know that IF it were something posted against what you believe in or something you agree with; you'd be all in there; all over it like you know what on a stick. YOU would mind then!  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 26803    You get me wrong. I guess you didn't have time to read my second...I agree with you that this should not be done. But I wanted to respond to your take on a couple points...What I meant by not minding who wrote it was this. I can separate that issue (who wrote it) from the words that are written. I don't like the one, but I can still read the words and agree or disagree with them. I don't know how to explain it better, hope you understand what I'm saying.  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:46:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    Coenlaf, I posted this not to get into the points made in the plagirized version. My MAIN reason was to show how a certain individual does this repeatedly and because she won't allow me to reply to the points made on her post.  
Date: 9/20/2007 8:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 26803    well, if you didn't want your points on "harm" and "being offended" to be discussed, you shouldn't have brought them up. I'm sorry that my reponses to your subpoints did not suit you. I promiss to try harder next time.  
Date: 9/20/2007 9:17:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    Did you check out this? >>>>
http://www.smijer.com/letters/archives/000736.html
  
Date: 9/20/2007 11:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 45630    The Americans can have JOhn HOward and Peter Costello coz they are going to lose the next election  
Date: 9/20/2007 11:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 15070    QUOTE:"My MAIN reason was to show how a certain individual does this repeatedly and because she won't allow me to reply to the points made on her post. ". Not only have you been asked repeatedly not to address, comment to, comment about, and reply to post(s) written by this person-this person has asked you, (and on more than one occassion, you, yourself, have gone to Admins and complained about exactly what you are doing here in this post.) You are too old for this garbage. (And reading this drek is time in my life I will never get back.) Writing posts to reply to other posts that you have no buisness even being involved in, let alone replying to, borders on obsession. There is an arrogance in believing that you have the answers that somehow the rest of us missed (*chuckles*). How about if you delete my comment, I will make a post with MY reply to THIS topic. Fair enough...? Now, was it so important to try to prove the other person wrong? Or that you were right? *shakes head* Really, Middle School-type Drama. Real life, and Adult Company calls. I have had my say on the subject.....  
Date: 9/21/2007 4:47:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    SpiritChild, I'm sorry but you've only heard HER side of the story about the

""been asked repeatedly not to address, comment to, comment about, and reply to post(s)" . Only HER side. And I'm not about to air the whole history here either. And THAT is a whole other topic aside from this matter, SC.
  
Date: 9/21/2007 4:57:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    You're being completely hypocritical about the
"Writing posts to reply to other posts "! My word, SC, the history of USM is filled with spin offs of posts or replies to post! You know it. No, you are the one who is being rather childish and showing middle school drama here, coming by to try to defend your buddy, showing peeple how popular you are. Popularity is everything to you, SC. "Drama" ? "Drek" ? Don't get me started, SC. Thy name; thy history online is nothing but drama.
  
Date: 9/21/2007 5:13:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    Remember now, several times I've seen posts where someone found out about someone's posting stuff that was untrue; plagiarized, made up, or even by alleged "dead" people come back to life, and brought it out into the open. Nobody came forth and accused them of being "obsessive" or "arrogant". No, most the time the posts were pounced on and everybody had to get in on the frenzy. I won't give any examples because I am quite positive you might misconstrue that as me having

"arrogance in believing that I have answers" that you missed. And, one last thing, dearie. You have a very short memory! I don't. Not only has she herself made MANY posts to reply to posts, but I can name you quite a few on here who have and do the same all the time. You want me to message you with the details? Or do you wish to continue here with this "drek" in hopes of getting this deleted?
  
Date: 9/21/2007 5:21:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    I've been accused of being "arrogant", 'rude' and or 'obsessive' , many times. Usually by those who hate being called out on something. If by having a penchant for details, facts, and at least trying to adhere to truthfulness in reporting is considered all those things, well then, So be it. Stick on whatever label you wish. I'm not about to join the liars, twisters, manipulators, and poseurs, just to be popular; just to appear to be in "the in crowd".  
Date: 9/21/2007 5:30:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    Kurtvedder, your comment perhaps meant for another post? That one about "we need a leader" ?  

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