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MY Reply to "America Needs a Leader Like This" (Read how plagiarizing occurs!)

  Author:  24924  Category:(Discussion) Created:(9/20/2007 3:18:00 PM)
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*****PLEASE READ TO THE END. You'll understand how the reader is often duped into believing something based on a scam such as is demonstrated*****

Australian Muslims already unhappy with Prime Minister John Howard's criticism about Islamic radicalism are bristling at even tougher comments from the man likely to succeed him, (Peter Costello ) .

Last year federal Treasurer Peter Costello told foreign-born Muslims that if they could not accept Australian values or wanted to live under shari'a, they should leave.

In a pledge of allegiance, immigrants taking on Australian citizenship declare: "I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect and whose laws I will uphold and obey."

Costello said that anyone "who does not acknowledge the supremacy of civil law laid down by democratic processes cannot truthfully take the pledge of allegiance. As such they do not meet the pre-condition for citizenship."

Any Muslim planning to immigrate to Australia should first consider its values.

"Before entering a mosque visitors are asked to take off their shoes," Costello said. "This is a sign of respect. If you have a strong objection to walking in your socks don't enter the mosque.

"Before becoming an Australian you will be asked to subscribe to certain values. If you have strong objection to those values, don't come to Australia."



In a meeting last April with the then minister of citizenship and multicultural affairs, Peter McGauran, had this to say:

"The law in this country is secular. There's a clear separation between religion and the law and Australia's laws apply equally to all citizens, regardless of their religion."

Read the rest here: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200602\FOR20060224b.html

Now, on to MY response to this matter:

I'm in total agreement with the PM; or Costello, or anyone else demading that immigrants adhere to the laws of their adopted country. This is the way it should be. But..... MY beef; MY replies to the post (which were deleted); my objections were to the part that was added on to the imigration issue, the part that has all the appearance of a plagierized version of an American "christian nation" rhetoric that has been spewed out since 9/11 by Christian reconstructionists; Dominionists, in the United States.

MY replies were strictly regarding THIS portion of the post which I was not allowed to reply to: I have been unable to find ANY copy of the original speech wherein Costello allegedly said these things.

However....it is almost word for word.....LIKE the christian e-mail spam that has been flying all around the internet since 9/11 which goes under the title: "America, Love It or Leave it"



HERE is the portion in question:

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us. If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like 'A Fair Go', then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'. If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country....... YOU chose." Sounds good, huh? Alright to you???? Well..... read on



NOW......the AMERICAN version:

"IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

If you agree -- pass this along; if you don't agree -- delete it!

AMEN "



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Date: 9/20/2007 3:23:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    BE VERY AWARE OF THESE TYPES OF POSTS. You've probably gotten e-mails where a compilation of several different texts, or several different authors are claimed. Many you can go to SNOPES and check for authenticity, or at least do some research on Google. Best of all is to have a good memory. I DID. I knew darn well I'd heard or read that portion of the "Alleged speech by the leader in Australia".  
Date: 9/20/2007 3:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 16865    I replied to that post that I had heard it before also. I even posted the snopes link. Wonder if mine was deleted too.  
Date: 9/20/2007 3:34:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    I don't know Dotchi. I didn't go back and check . I just saw all my replies had been deleted. A lot of people don't even bother to check Snopes. Especially those who post and or like these sort of posts. Over the years, I've seen several put them in the religious section because they felt safe there; that they wouldn't be called on the content. Sad....really.   
Date: 9/20/2007 3:38:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    Which snopes link; this one?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp

  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 12072    I always check snopes when I hear something with even a remote possiblity of being "off." I hate emails, I usually delete them because 99.9% of the time they're untrue.  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:32:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    The reason I posted this is to show how many pass on these as truths, even when they know they are false. The person who posted this has posted many such emails and still refuses to check them out first before posting. I think they do this because they know very well most people won't bother (or don't care) to check out whether they are true or not.  
Date: 9/20/2007 7:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 19586    You are right. Some people read and just believe what they are told. It is a sad truth. Thank you for sharing this with us.  
Date: 9/20/2007 9:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 62881    I usually check snopes before I say something stupid...  
Date: 9/20/2007 9:50:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    OK, guys, I did an awful lot of digging, but FINALLY found Costello's speech, (or rather the interview ) where he said SOME of the things that were posted in the original post. BUT.........I WAS RIGHT....NO WHERE did he ever say anything at all like what was allegedly said in the post, the portion that I label: "The American Version" above. So there you have it; CONFIRMED that it is a forgery. See for yourself:

http://www.treasurer.gov.au/tsr/content/transcripts/2006/016.asp

"
  
Date: 9/20/2007 9:54:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    Oh, and thanks to Zema for providing the search feature on Costello's past speeches/interviews; wherein I was able to sort through all of them to find the one in question. Thanks Zema!  

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