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Calif Pastor of Baptist Church calls for DEMISE of Americans United Staff

  Author:  24924  Category:(Discussion) Created:(8/23/2007 7:39:00 PM)
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AU's Lynn Says Pastor Offers Outlandish Attack Instead Of Answering Concerns Of Improper Electioneering .

Americans United for Separation of Church and State today denounced the tactics of a political pastor in California who has urged followers to pray for the demise of staff members of the religious liberty watchdog group.

Yesterday, Americans United asked the Internal Revenue Service to investigate the First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park, Calif., for a potential violation of federal tax law barring electioneering by non-profit groups.

Dr. Wiley S. Drake, pastor of the church, issued a press release on church letterhead endorsing Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and subsequently offered the endorsement on a church-affiliated radio show.

Instead of responding to Americans United’s concern of illegal activity, Drake issued yesterday afternoon a plea to his supporters to join in “imprecatory prayers” (curses) every morning for Americans United and its staff.

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director, said it is telling that Drake declined to respond to his group’s charges of tax law violations.

“Instead of addressing our concerns of illegally melding religion and partisan politics, Dr. Drake has launched an outlandish attack on us,” said Lynn. “Calling for curses on us might distract Drake’s supporters, but it won’t help him with the IRS. I trust the tax agents will investigate Drake’s use of church resources to endorse a candidate for public office.”

Drake’s attack included some florid rhetoric.

“In light of the recent attack from the ememies (sic) of God I ask the children of God to go into action with Imprecatory Prayer,” Drake said, in an Aug. 14 press statement issued from the First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park. “Especially against Americans United for Seperation (sic) of Church and State.”

“The righteous have dominion,” Drake said, “but only through imprecatory prayer against the ungodly.”

Drake singled out two Americans United staff members whose names appeared as contacts on the press release. The pastor’s missive said the imprecatory prayers should “specifically target” Americans United Communications Director Joe Conn or Communications Associate Jeremy Leaming.

“They are those who lead the attack,” Drake said.

In a message left in Lynn’s voice-mail, Drake said he had been urging his supporters to take similar action against Lynn for many years and would continue to do so.

In a section of his press release called “How To Pray,” Drake includes a long list of biblical citations that call on God to smite enemies.

For example, the alleged enemies of God “shall be judged,” “condemned,” and “his days be few….”

Additionally, supporters should pray that the enemy’s “children be fatherless, and his wife a widow,” and “his children be continually vagabonds, and beg; let them seek bread also out of their desolate places.”

“Let there be none to extend mercy unto him,” Drake quoted, “Neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.”





http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=9327&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1241

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Americans United For Seperation of Church and State is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

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Date: 8/23/2007 7:44:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    "I have never have been worried about the IRS," Drake said. "They don't scare me. I don't give a rip about the IRS. I don't believe in the separation of church and state and I believe the IRS should stay out of church business."  
Date: 8/23/2007 7:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 5301    ...those Baptists! More fun than a barrel of monkeys. Available for any events. Strange bunch at times.  
Date: 8/23/2007 7:48:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    Drake, The IRS does stay out of CHURCH business. It ONLY gets involved when the church steps over the line into the world where the rest of us exist and have to pay our taxes. Then the IRS wants the "church" to pay its share.  
Date: 8/23/2007 7:56:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    Isn't this rather like how the MAFIA operates? If I were Barry Lynn, I would go on National TV and call him out. "Wiley Drake, You are on notice. If anybody, anybody at all, tries to do me harm in any way, shape or form, I will hold you personally responsible, and neither the god you pray to nor his followers will be able to protect you from me. It is in your best interest that I stay in impeccable health from now on."  
Date: 8/23/2007 8:19:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both." ===Senator Barry Goldwater ,September 16, 1981
  
Date: 8/23/2007 8:21:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    ^^^^Scary, and a bit sad, that these words were spoken by one of the foremost GOP mouthpieces just a mere 25 years ago.  
Date: 8/24/2007 12:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 64497    Scary post.. Amazing what people think prayer is for.. *shakes head* Thanks for sharing it -Callice  
Date: 9/5/2007 6:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 36967    People do much worse and still are able to keep their tax-exempt status.  
Date: 9/5/2007 6:53:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    Derek, can you just PULEEEEZE expound on your silly assertions just a wee bit? Why must you just make a statement (without anything to support it) which forces the reader to ask "What the heck are you talking about"? eh?  
Date: 9/6/2007 10:27:00 AM  From Authorid: 36967    The Matthew Shepard Foundation Gives money to legislaters and yet they still can keep their tax-exempt status. PETA gives to Terrorists, and yet they still can keep their tax-exempt status.  
Date: 9/6/2007 10:35:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 24924    You're still only making assertions, Derek. Explain; please, how the Matthew Shepard Foundation is "much worse" than this Baptist church calling for the death of people they see as their enemy? And, please explain how and why PETA "gives money to terrorists". Evidence....please? Something tells me you're like the Bush & Co; labeling anything or anyone as a "terrorist" that they don't like and or agree with.  

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