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Date: 7/12/2007 5:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
"Sacred" chamber? Hello! The senate chamber is not a church. It WASN'T any "God" that made America great. Our nation was not built on "principles of almighty God". accck...might as well try reasoning with the Taliban.   |
Date: 7/12/2007 5:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
*sickening*, just sickening. *shakes head*  |
Date: 7/12/2007 5:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 62146
I think these christians do not know the true ideals of being a christian. Their is a passage in the bible that states, that you shall not preach to those who do not want to be preached to, instead live you life through example. And I doubt these Christians led a good example, To those who defently did not want to be preached to.  |
Date: 7/12/2007 6:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 62841
these kind of Christians are the type that give ALL of us Christians a bad name..  |
Date: 7/12/2007 6:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 16865
Wow, that is sad. I am not a Christian and I think that was SO disrespectful to the Hindu prayer. They wouldn't like it if Athiests rejected the idea of prayer... oh wait, that's sinful because we should all act Christian. How silly of me.  |
Date: 7/12/2007 6:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 7830
im Christian but I have a hard time taking anyone in our government seriously when they speak about themselves being Christian. Ive said it once and I'll say it again, most Christians now a days dont represent Jesus or what He stood for.  |
Date: 7/12/2007 6:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 12823
I am confused. Why was a Hindu prayer being said during a Senate meeting? Actually, why was any sort of prayer being said by anyone? Is this normally done? Separation of church and state anyone?  |
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Date: 7/12/2007 6:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 12823
Dotchi- the Atheists did reject our idea of prayer which is why it is strictly prohibited in many public, educational, and government-ran facilities. |
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Date: 7/12/2007 6:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 7830
Dotchi..athiests have for years worked at getting Christianity of any kind abolished from public, so thats already happened. |
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Date: 7/12/2007 6:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 12823
Remember M.M. O'hare and her and other atheist's influence on getting prayer taken out of public school, Dotchi? Ya, I think it is safe to say Atheists threw a you-know-what fit over that one. |
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Date: 7/12/2007 7:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
M M O'Hair can only be credited as a supporter. The first school prayer case, 1962's Engel versus Vitale, did not involve O'Hair at all. It was brought by a group of parents on Long Island, N.Y., of various religious and philosophical backgrounds, who challenged a "non-denominational" prayer state education officials had composed for public schoolchildren to recite. One year later, a Philadelphia-area family named the Schempps challenged mandatory Bible reading in Pennsylvania schools, and their lawsuit eventually reached the Supreme Court. At the same time, O'Hair was challenging a similar practice, as well as the recitation of the Lord's Prayer, in Baltimore's public schools. The Supreme Court consolidated the cases and in 1963 ruled 8-1 that government-sponsored Bible reading or other religious devotions in public schools are unconstitutional. |
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Date: 7/12/2007 7:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 16865
Oh you don't have to remind me of public prayer issues. In TN, the schools down the street were touted as excellent. Reason why? They still made the kids say a prayer before lunch each day. (And this was only a few years ago) |
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Date: 7/12/2007 7:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Students are NOT prevented from engaging in voluntary PRIVATE prayer in accordance with their own religious tradition and convictions, only that they cannot ask the state to help them do it. The use of public schools to endorse and promote the religious sensibilities of the majority rides roughshod over the rights of those of minority persuasions, or those who desire no exposure to religious practice at all. |
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Date: 7/12/2007 7:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 12823
I understand all of that. Public vs. private prayer and that O'Hare wasn't solely responsible. But what is the difference between a Christian prayer or Hindu prayer? Why is any prayer being said? I guess that is my basic question. |
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Date: 7/12/2007 8:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Aeruxia, the Hindu Chaplain is tax paid, as are all chaplains. Yeah, of course, 'seperation of church and state', indeed is the question. Chaplains paid with tax money violate CSS. Any tax monies. Military chaplains, jail/prison chaplains, congressional chaplains all violate CSS. The problem with a government by the people is that if (most of) the people agree to something, it happens. Eventually these things will go the way of school prayer and public displays of the 10 commandments. Americans United for Separation of Church and State (see site, http://www.au.org), has been battling the issue of Congressional chaplains for years. |
Date: 7/13/2007 1:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 28848
I dont think any religion should be practiced at the senate or any other government office. Government is one thing, religion is another..  |
Date: 7/13/2007 5:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
What if it were Hindu's shouting down a Christian chaplain? Or athiests shouting down a chaplain claiming separation of church and state? Still ignorant jerks? I would have to say yes to all.  |
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Date: 7/13/2007 6:10:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Yes, the same would apply, BCAR. However, NO atheists would shout down anyone who is giving a prayer no matter what. That is just plain rude, and shows complete lack of class; and sheer ignorance. If one has an objection, they can write letters to their Congressman; and or follow through with legal recourse. No need to make oneself look like a fool. |
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Date: 7/13/2007 6:14:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
The prayer that the Hindu chaplain offered was actually quite nice, and it was inclusive. Quote: "We meditate on the transcendental glory of the Deity Supreme, who is inside the heart of the Earth, inside the life of the sky and inside the soul of the heaven. May He stimulate and illuminate our minds." As the Senate prepared for another day of debate over the Iraq war, Zed closed with,... "Peace, peace, peace be unto all." |
Date: 7/13/2007 6:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 10245
Me, too. Thats just disgusting.  |
Date: 7/13/2007 8:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
I think true Christians would have sat quietly through the Hindu prayer while saying their own prayer, asking God to help those who do not know Him to turn to Him, if it be His will.  |
Date: 7/13/2007 9:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 21839
I was getting ready to say what Rusure said, I am a Christian & I would have never interupted someone else prayer. If I didn't agree, I would say a prayer to myself & move on... people like that give all christians a bad name & that really irratates me! I do believe there is no religion that is 100% correct, what makes my beliefs any better than the next man? If they didn't agree with them they should have prayed amongst themselves & been done with it...  |
Date: 7/13/2007 10:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
So Thinker, good to see yo back  |
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Date: 7/13/2007 10:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
I agree that these three did wrong, but I don't think they should have been arrested, but removed YES. Unless they refuse to leave when ask, that would be a different story. |
Date: 7/13/2007 11:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 35720
WHAT?! Who do these quacks think they are?! Someone refresh my memory.. don't Christians pride themselves on "tolerance" and "understanding"? You have no business disrupting a government proceeding to express your discontent with their choice of prayer. The government has no obligation to your religion and there should be no corrolation between the two to begin with. Freedom of religion, morons!! Get a clue.  |
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Date: 7/13/2007 11:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 35720
Furthermore, I can't even begin to describe how angry that quote made me. "Jesus" did not make America great. Nice try, though. |
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Date: 7/13/2007 12:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 63938
I believe everyone should look up the definition of Deity if they do not know it, and then maybe they can come to the conclusion that this could in fact represent their own God,... all the while, representing all other religions, beliefs in a higher power, guiding them through life, to be a good person, and letting them know that they will reap the rewards of heaven. It is just ones that separate themselves from transcendentalism, of going beyond their own comprehensions and material existence, who mostly cause uproars. Peace, peace, peace be unto all! What better way of saying it? |
Date: 7/13/2007 12:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 62823
I'm Catholic and I have to say, the only thing they really accomplished is spreading anger and THAT is not an accomplishment. Would they like it if somebody did that to them while they were praying? Some Christians do not understand that arrogance is not what God asks from us. He asks us for love and mercy towards neighbor and first and foremost..to love and place God first in their lives. Silent and un-noticed prayers to Jesus for his blessings and enlightenment on their Hindu brother would have done more good than the public display of arrogance they made. The Pharisees used to do that to show how holy they thought they were. Some Christians know the Bible backwards, forwards, upside down...and they still don't understand what Christianity means!  |
Date: 7/14/2007 10:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I would hate to have my prayer interuppted and feel it was very wrong of these people to do this. Its chrsitians like this that give the rest a bad name.  |
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Date: 7/17/2007 2:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Quote: "Its chrsitians like this that give the rest a bad name." Certainly does, Deb. How about this: A woman was singled out by co-workers as a "sinner" because she did not attend church. Fellow workers would come by her desk to "pray with her". The bosses of this place actually condoned the behavior because her "soul is in danger of hell" and she is "taking others to hell with her". The business? A medical office, specifically a pediatric practice called Woodcreek Pediatrics, in Washington state. http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_070507WAK_forced_to_pray_KC.49108721.html |
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Date: 7/17/2007 2:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
And in the Kansas City Star paper today, the story is of two christian protestors (Pro-Lifers) who disrupted a Sunday morning service just as communion had commenced. They burst in shouting and yelling. The reason? Well, it seems that a doctor is a member of that church and that doctor performs abortions . This church (and the doctor's practice) are located in Topeka, Ks. |
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Date: 7/17/2007 2:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
And take a look at Spirit Child's post for another great example. http://unsolvedmysteries.com/usm485265.html |
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Date: 7/17/2007 5:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Thinker, that church in Topeka KS, is that the Westboro Baptist Church by any chance. |
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Date: 7/17/2007 6:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
I don't know why I made an error and typed : Topeka. I apologize to all. The incident took place in WICHITA, Kansas; not Topeka. The name of the church is The Reformation Lutheran Church. Phelps church is in Topeka. |
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Date: 7/24/2007 2:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 21839
the thing that irritates me about all this, is that they do all this in the name of God. I don't approve of alot that is going on, but I certainly am not going to interrupt a church service, prayer or any other invent to be heard. Sounds like some people want attention. If I don't agree with something, pray about it. thats what gives Christians or other religions a bad name & turns others away from God. I am a Christian, but I am not going to force it down others throats nor am I telling you you are going to hell... I don't judge nor do I make those decisions. God does. that is my opinion, if you don't agree with me fine, we just have differences of opinions & move on to the next post or next day... some people are just so deprived of attention & love... |
Date: 5/24/2008 2:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 64154
Very immature to distrupt the Hindus.:[  |
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