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Date: 6/27/2007 10:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 10657
I agree that he was an amazing wrestler. I don't think I can pass judgement on anyone given I don't have enough facts.  |
Date: 6/27/2007 10:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 4144
i heard something on the news last night about roid rage. is there a such thing as roid rage?  |
Date: 6/27/2007 10:53:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 8905
Yes Mama Bug there is. It is caused by over use of steriods, which leads to depression, paranoia, and finally well... Rage.  |
Date: 6/27/2007 10:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 37101
My personal belief, based on all the evidence that has been released to the public, is that this is a solid case of murder-suicide. I do not suspect foul play. However, I'm not steadfast in that view. Forensics or toxicology reports could come back and report a whole new twist. I don't expect them to, but it could happen. -  |
Date: 6/27/2007 10:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 50864
The part I find off or at least odd is very little is said about her.... Usually the media is full of stuff about all involved. Just seems strange... I have not even seen a picture of her in the coverage and that does seem weird  |
Date: 6/27/2007 10:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 1799
"Maybe some of you should do the same?" I'm speculating based on what we have been given so far, and what I know from my own schooling and training now. I'll be very, VERY interested if something turns up that proves otherwise. Until then, most everything (including just by analyzing what we have been told about the crime scene) points to him all the way. Maybe its different for those of us who don't really watch wrestling. You can't really blame me for wanting to use my profiling training, though.   |
Date: 6/27/2007 11:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 43991
I feel the same as you do. For me, I'm going to keep an open mind until I know for sure.. but, if he did do it, that doesn't mean I'm going to hate him. Like you said, he was still a talented athlete, and to me, he may have still been a good person.. just a good person who went insane.  |
Date: 6/27/2007 11:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 58078
Right now they just said its what they BELIEVE. It hasn't been proven yet. I dont' understand why so many people are getting so defensive and stuff about it. Its not like people knew him personally to be like oh no he couldn't of done that. Its reality...people snap. Right now its just speculations and what they believe..its not like they closed the case on it just yet. Give it time and the truth will come out.  |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 43991
Andrea, to some of us it feels like we did know him personally, so it is a big deal to us. I have been to three wrestling events live during the time period while he was a wrestler and I have watched wrestling on TV since I was 6 or 7. I grew up knowing this guy. Personally, wrestling can bore me, but I like it enough to not complain. My brother and boyfriend both are OBSESSED with wrestling.. to them, it is like they know him. To his fans, it is a big deal.. It is someone we know.. so we are going to defend him and think other things and feel like something is off until we know the truth. I agree, "people snap", and maybe he did.. but we still are going to want to know more then to be left at that. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 1799
By the way, expect a post from me later tonight on this, because I plan on bringing this up in my profiling class tonight. It fascinates me, and I want to see what the rest of the class and the teachers think. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:18:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 8905
I look foreward to that post |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 1799
*skips off to gather what we've been told in the media so far* Got to make sure I can give them all of the details we know. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 58078
I've been to matches as well and used to watch it plenty times myself. But in reality you still don't know them personally. I'm not saying not to feel the way you are feeling, I'm just saying that the police said they believe. They haven't closed the case and when people get so defensive about it it seems like you think its a done deal, that the case is closed. Its not. But when the truth does come out and that is indeed what truely happened then what? Will you accept it? I'm not trying to start any arguments at all here. It is what it is. People snap all the time. Your next door neighbor who you think you know so well can. A family member, anyone. Plus throw steroids or whatever in the mix doesn't make for a pretty situation. Just life is all. I would never say don't look up to him still, don't think of him as an idol because he murdered his family. To each their own and everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe about a celebrity or whoever. |
Date: 6/27/2007 11:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 62983
Did you see the article that lists the texts that he sent? He gave his address, said the attack dogs were behind the pool gate and the side door was open. She was also bound at her hands and feet and there was sign of a struggle. I think they were fighting and it got out of control.  |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 58078
Oh one more thing....with the knowing personally thing...you know him as a wrestler...not him behind the scenes...you know him as what he portrays. Only his real life friends and family know who he really is and there was an article that his wife filed for divorce a few years ago because he was violent but dropped it. Truth? Who knows. We only here what the media tells us. I'm sure there are alot of lies, but alot of truth as well. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:28:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 8905
They were sent from his and her cell phones. Doesnt mean they sent them themselves does it? No. As I said. I am waiting. I refuse to cast judgement until I know more |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 1799
Where is the article with the text msgs? |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:33:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 8905
Fox News has it on their site. Mainly all they say is the address over and over again, and in one it says that The dogs are in the enclosed pool and the garage side door is open. See, that makes me wonder also, because the police said the dogs were loose and they had to break into the Benoit household |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 62983
It all seems strange... the messages and the whole everything. I do however know what roids can do to a person. I know that first hand. It will all come out in the wash. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 62983
Hang on Emi I'll brb... |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 43991
Andrea, I haven't seen anyone who has said they are 100% positive he didn't do it. I am well-aware of the fact that it is very possible he did it, and it is also possible that he did not. Really, with all the evidence right now, I personally do think he did do it.. So when we find out the truth, yeah, we'll believe it. If it seems fishy to us, yeah, we'll have our doubts. But.. it's not like we're making a big deal about it. I am not rallying saying he is innocent or something and when it's all over if it comes out and I don't agree with something I am not going to do anything about it.. I'm not even making posts about it on here really, so I don't get what you mean at all. I haven't claimed I think the case is shut? You aren't making sense to me. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 62983
Here you go. http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/chrisbenoittimeline |
Date: 6/27/2007 11:38:00 AM
From Authorid: 15157
Yes...I too feel something is amiss.  |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 58078
Ummm I was talking in general...I never pointed a finger on just you. No reason to be so defensive. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 11:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 43991
Since you started what you were saying with " I've been to matches as well and used to watch it plenty times myself." and since I said I had attended matches, I assumed you were replying to me. = ) |
| Date: 6/27/2007 12:11:00 PM ( Admin ) Presumed innocent is the law. I don't know how the police could do their jobs objectively when they state publicly what they already believe. Also, a person would have to be seriously ill to murder a child and even more ill to murder one of their own. |
Date: 6/27/2007 12:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 60792
well, you'll never get all the details. When they found them, they knew all that's been revealed, but they didn't release it yet.  |
Date: 6/27/2007 12:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 39107
Benoit was the wrestling in World Wrestling Entertainment. He was the Bret Hart of this generation. May him and his family rest in peace.  |
Date: 6/27/2007 12:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 53961
Whatever the cause or reason it is so sad...  |
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Date: 6/27/2007 12:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
Presumed innocent only by the jury, as long as the police don't tamper with evidence. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 12:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 8905
I agree SPG |
Date: 6/27/2007 12:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 41744
I agree with you completely....me and my family think that something sounds really fishy.....it all just don't add up. I will not say that Chris did it for sure until all the results come back and if they can't come up with stuff that explains all the weird stuff I still won't believe he did it. And if they can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he did it I will still feel sympathy for him(something had to have caused him to snap if he did it) and he will always be one of my favorite wrestlers and nothing will take away the fact that the man was a great wrestler.  |
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Date: 6/27/2007 12:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 41744
two of the things that are really bothering me is 1) they keep bringing up the 'roid rage thing but if that was the case wouldn't he have done it all the same day and not over the course of a weekend. And in April when Vince did random drug tests Benoit can back clean. 2) They kept on saying he died Sat. maybe early Sun. even after the autopsy but all of a sudden the text messages are released showing that texts were sent Sun. and now he killed himself Monday. Again I'm not saying he didn't do it and I'm not saying he did it....I'm just saying something doesn't sound right. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 12:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 39107
Seriously something is amiss. But we'll never know what happend, darn I wish CSI was real. But yeah dont anyone blackmark him because of this, the man was respectful, a good husband, a good father, and the most talented wrestler, heck out of the top ten greatest ever Chris Benoit is easily in the top five. |
Date: 6/27/2007 12:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 8024
I pray to God he didn't do it  I don't want to believe anyone could want to do such a thing ...c  |
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Date: 6/27/2007 12:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
From reading the article, the text messages were sent early am hours Sunday morning, so saying he died early Sunday makes sense. The messages were sent around 3:53 am. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 12:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 41744
Yes Emi is is possible that he died Sunday but what i think is weird is how it went from Monday, then it was Saturday, then it went to possible Sunday and now back to Monday. I just think everything about this case is weird....even if they can prove for sure he did it there are aspects that make it very strange...there are the bibles next to Nancy and Daniel(i wish they would tell if they were closed or open to certain scriptures) and the fact that he put a towel between his neck and the cord. Also the whole thing with the dogs is weird he said they were locked up but the cops couldn't get in at first b/c they were loose. This case is just very strange no matter how you look at it or who did it. |
Date: 6/27/2007 12:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 21839
I think alot of times things are not released, media gets ahold of them, I want the facts, I don't want to judge anyone, if he did do it, he had to be out of his right mind, I didn't hear about her being bound, but did hear something about them fighting.. don't remember if it was a post here or on the internet... I hope they have solid proof if they say he did do it.. its still sad all the way around.. 3 people should still be here..  |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 62983
Emi did you see the extended time line? I thought there was something in that which seemed off. Like telling the person that he loved them. Which was said to be unusual. I don't know, it's just so strange. We will never know the whole story. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 21839
supposedly On Saturday, Benoit called a co-worker to say he had missed a flight and would be late for a wrestling event in Texas, WWE said in a timeline posted Tuesday on its Web site. The co-worker said Benoit sounded tired and groggy and said "I love you," which the co-worker found "out of context," WWE said. When a co-worker who usually travels with Benoit called him later from the Houston airport, Benoit told the co-worker his wife, Nancy, was throwing up blood and that his son, Daniel, also was throwing up. Benoit said he thought it was food poisoning, according to WWE. and also... Investigators found anabolic steroids in the house and want to know whether the muscle man nicknamed "The Canadian Crippler" was unhinged by the bodybuilding drugs, which can cause paranoia, depression and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage." I found this on foxnews.com |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 21839
WWE is also stating steroids could not be the cause of death per foxnews.com |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 50864
It gets weirder the stuff about the son being small almost dwarfed I find that real off the wall They also said that there were old needle marks in the boy. and that he had been receiving growth hormones. Something is just not right with all of this |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
I don't see anything really weird with the dates and times on the articles I've read. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
Those growth steroids were also not done under doctor care. The site they got it off is in trouble for it. |
Date: 6/27/2007 1:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 18928
I never heard of him before this happened but no matter what someone did in their life, when they smother their own 7 yr old child (if he did in fact do that) it does influence my opinion of them. I do not overlook that because he was a talented wrestler.  |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
No, no one should overlook it Vadia, but it also doesn't change the important role he played in the wrestling world (and I don't watch wrestling. I am also one of the few on here that believes he did it based on what we have heard. I can't get over the bible part. There's too much significance to it for it to have been someone who was just angry at Benoit). |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 62983
What I thought was strange is what Sugar Bear quoted which is what I was talking about. If you don't normally tell someone you love them and all of a sudden one day you do, that is strange. Especially if you are only changing plans or something. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
Could have also been a general mental breakdown too, whether they are related to drugs or not. Something had to have triggered it, and he had to have some type of snap to do what he did. Speaking from personal experience, you can get pretty out of it, say weird things, and whatnot just by a mental breakdown. Happens to a good number of people. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 21839
this was in an email/newsletter, I get about wrestling, another comment on there got me thinking, he did this over 3 days, he had to have time to think about this after the 1st one & after the 2nd one.. I am beginning to wonder espically after this....MORE DETAILS REVEALED ON NANCY & DANIEL BENOIT'S BODIES - Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard provided some additional details on the bodies of Nancy and Daniel Benoit during media appearances on television. Ballard said that Nancy had bruises on her back consistent with someone holding her down with a knee and bruises on her chest which suggests she was crushed to the ground. The Medical Examiner also found old needle marks in the arm of Daniel Benoit which could have been from HGH - human growth hormone - shots he was given when he was younger. The seven year old child was said to be smaller in size than what other normal children his age would be. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
Why on earth would you give a 7 year old growth hormones? They haven't even gone through puberty yet, and still have years before they do. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 41744
Daniel had Fragile X Syndrome...i dunno if that has anything to do with the HGH or not though. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 62983
That's true Emi. A person will say things they normally wouldn't say if they are having a mental breakdown. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
Well, Jezz, my mom has been reading it too, and she says that the people they got the drugs from are in some hot water. It wasn't all legal. |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
Yeah. I've seen some extremes too. One guy I knew, when he went into a breakdown, ended up wandering for miles, and by the time he was found, he was so far gone he didn't know who he was. He snapped out of it later.. but.. yeah... |
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Date: 6/27/2007 1:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 4144
so he was on steroids and over done it? i don't think a real amazing athlete has to take steroids. |
Date: 6/27/2007 2:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
This story just gets more & more bizzare. Truthfully? There is a part of me that almost keeps expecting everyone to go "Surprise! Publicity Stunt!", but I know that will not happen this time. *sigh* I am going to go with 'roid rage.  |
Date: 6/27/2007 2:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 30747
I don't know what to think about all this. It does seem odd that it took him like 2 days to kill his wife, then his son and then himself. That doesn't sound like something that happens in a bout of rage. Then again, stranger things have happened. I guess we aren't going to know for sure until all the investigation is done but it makes for an interesting (yet morbid) read.  |
Date: 6/27/2007 3:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
The following could also be said about O.J. Simpson.."I will still respect O.J. Simpson for his football playing abilities. The man was an amazing athlete. And I will never forget that." ...IF we do find that Benoit murdered his family, then I will lose all respect for him, just as I have lost all respect for O.J. It doesn't matter to me what either has accomplished during their life time. The way I see it is that they both took the lives of innocent people. (IF Benoit is found guilty) As I said before in another post..One evil act can destroy a thousand good acts we have done.  |
Date: 6/27/2007 3:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
I suspect his use of steroids lead to steroid rage.  |
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Date: 6/28/2007 9:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Just a thought..I wonder if maybe Benoit was having marital problems and his wife had plans to leave him? Sometimes people would rather murder their families and commit suicide than to have to go through a divorce. A divorce could mean that things would be brought up against him that would ruin him and his career, so he would rather kill his family and himself than to go through a scandalous divorce...?? |
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