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First time drag racing...

  Author:  22080  Category:(Discussion) Created:(4/22/2007 3:20:00 PM)
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So yesterday I went to the drag strip with my car(lancer ralliart). 10:30am-4pm 27 bucks and race as much as you want. I had a BLAST. it was just a free day, no brackets, race who you wanted all that fun stuff.

My car is practically stock with yokohama tires and a short ram intake 170bhp with 168lbs of torque. i ran on 35psi in my tires(dropped it after my first run when i spun out for too long....hate fwd sometimes). im building it for autocross but figured drag racing would be fun so i dont have much power in 4th gear.

My car club and I were all running a full second slower than we should have ran due to track conditions/some of us haven't put our performance tires on yet.

I out did a lancer oz rally with 3g's in the engine(should've seen his face when i told him so far ive only put $150 and an oil change in mine), acura integra, tiburon tuscani and a eclipse gt v6. i was beat by my friends passat and a trans am pushing 700whp.

here are my times: 16.2740 with a .6788 reaction, 17.0622 with a 1.0858 reaction(2nd run ever), 16.6057 with a 1.3751 reaction(they started the ambers before i staged), 16.8161 with a 1.0959 reaction(no excuse), 16.3278 with a .8001 reaction and a 17.1278 with a .5741 reaction(shifted to second early and missed 4th).

my goal was to break 15.5 today knowing that stock my car runs high 15's but like i said.....old radials and not so great track conditions for the lose.

anyone else run the strips? have any stories? maybe some tips i could use to better my time.

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Date: 4/22/2007 3:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 62998    back when I was 18 (wow long time ago now LOL) I had a 73 camaro, NICE car, anyway, I would go to Desoto Speedway on Sunday nights and run the freestyle events. Never won any money but I got darn close a few times heh. My times (the ones I can remember) were 12.9, 11.8, 12.5, and 13.4 those are the times I "can" recall running in the quarter. I had a 350eng with a 350turbo transmission. Only went twice though  
Date: 4/22/2007 3:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 4144    back when i was a young pup i had a 57 chevy belair that i would sometimes run. of course it wasn't legal! how stupid were we?!  
Date: 4/22/2007 4:06:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 22080    your car wasnt impounded and crushed back then for street racing i bet  
Date: 4/22/2007 4:36:00 PM  From Authorid: 4144    exactly what do you mean by "back then"?!! they let the dinos step on them!! my car was an antique when i was doing that!! it was the early 1980's. and no, they didn't inpound the cars. they gave you a huge fine and called your mommy and daddy in for a chat. then your daddy beat your butt all the way home and you didn't do that anymore! BTW...i still got the car! her name is peggy sue and she don't fly much anymore!  
Date: 4/22/2007 6:49:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 22080    i learned my lesson street racing and luckily i got off with a 20 over  
Date: 4/22/2007 7:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 19586    Awww, TD you are bringing back the memories of my camaro. I loved that car...  
Date: 4/23/2007 4:40:00 AM  From Authorid: 21867    Yup - I've been competeing in dragracing and trackracing for almost 20 years now. Dragged everything from V8s to V8s, 4s and rotaries, turboed, N/A and supercharged. For the last number of years I've been involved in the Import Dragracing scene in my country - regularily competeing as well as writing articles for a Performance Car magazine here in my country which focusses mainly on tuned Japanese Imports. My last few cars have been all out of the house of red diamonds - Mitsubishi, just like you. Go Mitsi! Went with Mitsis as previously I was modifying and racing Subarus and simply got sick and tired of blowing gearboxes, diffs, heads, turboes ad infinitum...don't get me wrong, the Subie Impreza WRX Sti's are great cars from factory, spectacular handling and produce decent levels of power and certainly well capable of mid to low 12s over the 1/4 with simple mods like exhaust/intake/boost controllers etc...but they soon reach their limits above 350-360hp and start blowing things left right and centre. The money required to rectify those *flaws* is quite huge too...so I went with Mitsubishi, as basically they were a much more robust basis to extract good reliable power out of. For instance, my first Mitsi that I began modifying was an early E39 Galant VR4 with the now famous (or infamous to Subbie owners...hahaha) 4g63 16v DOHC turbo motor. That thing I simply stripped out a bit (as they are a bit of a whale otherwise), fitted a TD-05 20g from a later model Lancer EVO with an external wastegate, larger injectors/intercooler with custom piping, CAI with sectioned off pod-filter, 3" exhaust, ran a simple boost-tap and wound the boost up to 20psi on premium pump gas. The thing ripped the 1/4 at a 12.2 on its 1st outing. Fastest Mitsi I've owned was an early '76 Colt GSR...which I'd set up specifically for 1/4mile action, stripped, semi-tubbed rear-end with shortened B2000 van diff, strengthen Starion turbo gearbox and one mean 4g63 motor (actually, it was the one out of my old VR4, I just worked it up a fair whack more). That motor ended up sporting a worked head, modified valves, forged bottom end, cams, custom intake manifold, 720cc injectors, fuel pressure reg, big walbro pump, Apexi AVC-R boost controller and Apexi S-AFC fuel controller...as well as a GReddy T67 turbocharger, Tial external and 3" mandrel exhaust. It used to crank a nice health 340 odd kilowatts (thats close to 500hp) to the rear wheels on pump gas and 20psi. On C16 gas and 26psi it was making around 400kws at the wheels! Even with the semi-tubbed rear and running a decent set of slicks traction was an issue...well, it was more a)the power delivery of the turbo would just bake up the tyres when the boost came on, making it rather twitchy till you get it into 4th, and b)the short wheel-base of the Colt GSR doesn't lend itself well to gob-loads of power...so it'd get quite squirelly and want to basically fish-tail itself all down the 1/4. Still - managed a 10.67 in that before moving back to 4wd Mitsis. Other Mitsi's I've dragraced: Lancer GSR (1.8lt DOHC turbo, 4wd), basic bolt-on mods for a 12.7, E84 Galant VR4 (6a12tt - 2lt, v6, twin (tiny TD-025) turbo 4wd), again relatively basic bolt ons such as intake, exhaust, intercooler, and boost controller...that also ran a best of 12.7. Various Lancer EVOs (EVO2, EVO3, EVO5) all carded easy low 12s, the E3 ran a best of ll.8. My current car is a Lancer Evolution 8-MR. I've set this one up more for tarmac racing...and its also my fun drive on the street car...sunk most of my efforts into improving on the already formidable handling with the usual adjustable Cusco suspension, full nolathane, strut and H-braces, larger brakes, lightweight Advan RG alloys with nice sticky Yokohama street-legal 'semi-slicks'. Motor work has been quite relatively mild...slightly peakier cams, larger injectors, GT30R turbo and custom manifold, external, larger intercooler, exhaust, intake, fuel pump, Apexi Power-FC blah blah...the EVO-8 is making a nice healthy 320kws at all four wheels on quite mild boost and pump gas...and absolutely blitzs the track like it was its Daddy. I've taken it for a 1/4mile blast a few times just to see what it'll do, even though its not set up to be a 400 metre eater...its still carded 12.1 with an extremely soft launch, so quite capable to producing a high 11 if I didn't nanna it. Any tips for you?? Umm...just keep at it. Experience is crucial. You can take a highly experienced driver and put them in an average car and they'll be competition for a newbie in a much more powerful one. Some people think that dragracing is a no-brainer, just get in, mash the gas and drive straight...in reality theres a WHOLE lot more to being competitive than that. Experience will help you lower your reaction times, improve your launch, gear-changing/flat-changing, just *feeling* how the car is performing and altering your reactions to suit it to squeeze the very best time out of it possible. FWDs...ahhh yes, dragraced a few of them in my time too...but they were principally Hondas. Traction - as you know - is the main issue...everything about the car, the way it transfers power etc, all says it wants to throw it to the rear-wheels not the front...weight distribution blah blah and all that...hence the bane of FWD dragracing it simply sitting there wheel-spinning (or worse - axle-tramping) your way through 1st and 2nd any time you even THINK about stabbing the gas pedal with a decent power FWD. There are of course some VERY quick FWDs in the dragracing scene...but they have had some huge amounts of development into their handling and power delivery. What I found helpful was to actually stiffen up the rear end a whole lot...basically to fight against that shift in weight transfer/momentum that throws the car back and thus lifts the weight off the front when you launch - hence lots of tyre-smoke and very little forward momentum until it hooks up = slower 60fts and ETs. I used to fit these things called Spring Blocks on the rear suspension coils...they are basically spacer blocks that you can bolt into the coils (used for vehicles that tow heavy loads to stop them for bottoming out in the rear) and retard the compression of the coils under load. I also ran lower and stiffer coils as well as shorter shocks (or adjustables) up front to create a bit of forward rake to the shape of the vehicle and also further impeed that whole rearward weight transfer on launch. The tyres I used were a decent set of semi-slicks...with very low pressures. Was the 35psi you were running in your tyres before or after you let them down a bit...as 35psi is waaaaaay too high, it wouldn't allow for any wall flex and greatly reduce the possible contact patch (and thus available traction) of tyre tread on the tarmac. So maybe just drop them down further and see how you go...if you spin up, drop em a bit more...if you start bogging, raise them a bit. A bit of trial and error will be invaluable.  
Date: 4/23/2007 4:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 21867    ...sorry typo: V8s to V6s...shoulda proof-read it, but it was a novel...hahaha - yeah, sorry about that...  
Date: 4/23/2007 8:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 52155    I went to a drag strip bar once. Not at all what I expected. I left before he took his pantyhose off...  
Date: 4/23/2007 1:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 21867    ...Eddo is a secret fan of the movie 'The Crying Game'...honest...  
Date: 4/23/2007 2:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 52155    shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it isn't a secret if you tell everyone...  
Date: 4/25/2007 10:30:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 22080    wow agent, that was awesome info. my friend is running an evo 9 mr and his achieved 12.5 with soft launches. im thinking of slapping a 4g63t in place of the 4g69. its going to be about a 10k usd swap but its going to be fun  
Date: 4/25/2007 10:31:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 22080    also my car naturally sits higher in the front, its the way i got it. it looks stupid but if its actually helping me then maybe ill keep it instead of throwing coil overs in. i know i want to stiffen the all around suspension though. next chance i get im running autocross:-D  

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