Date: 4/12/2007 8:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
I hope this is not too adult for the site, I really am just trying to gain opinions about the issue.  |
Date: 4/12/2007 9:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I used to be rather conservative in my views on the Human Form. (Now I am rather Europian in my thinking.) The Human body is a beautiful thing, and I have no problem with it being shown publicly. In proper context, I have no problem with my children, or grandchildren seeing it. Of course I have no say in my children, because they are grown). For example, I would not turn away from a Woman breast-feeding her baby. I would not see a problem with my young Grandchildren seeing a Woman breast-feed her child, no matter who the Woman was. (Again, not my call, just my opinion.) The type of programing you mentioned is the proper place for showing the body. People who could be offended, or feel it is too graphic for their children can turn it off.  |
Date: 4/12/2007 9:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
As to "Acceptable" Nudity? I do not think it would approprate for my Husband (or myself) to walk into the room Nude in front of our grown children, or grandchildren. But then again, our grown Children would probably laugh & make a smart remark.  |
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Date: 4/12/2007 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
where those the type of answer(s) you were looking for? |
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Date: 4/12/2007 9:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
QUOTE:"And what makes male nudity so much more offensive than female nudity?" Personally? I don't think it's a matter of "offensive". I think Nude Males might be more "threatening" to certain people perhaps. We have been conditioned here in America to be repulsed by such things. |
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Date: 4/12/2007 9:18:00 PM ( SD-Admin )
I like the responses and the questions this post poses |
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Date: 4/12/2007 9:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Some blame the United States negative view of nudity on religion and the Victorian era. But then we have more sexualized photographs and movies than ever before.... (hence the name of my paper. lol) |
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Date: 4/12/2007 9:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I will try to be careful in how I say this. Dizzy, I think you are on the right track. Because the Human form has be "sexualized", instead of being seen for what it is, the problem might lie there, too. When Rick was in Europe, he said violence was considered offensive. The example he gave was the page 3 girl (I think it is) is topless, but the movie RoboCop was banned from theaters. But yes, conditioning by a repressed Society, and Religious Training probably goes a long way toward explaining our attitudes here in the States. |
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Date: 4/12/2007 9:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
For the record, it sounds like it's going to be a very good paper. This is a good topic. |
Date: 4/12/2007 9:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 63192
Supposedly male nudity especially the male private is seen as more agressive than female according to our society. Also I really don't know why the nipple is so taboo but something in our culture just views it that way probably because it is a very sensitive and sensual part of the body which leads the human mind to think of sexuality. That's probably why certain cultures cover certain body parts in the media whatever sparks the idea of sexuality for that particular culture is what they cover. In my sociology class last year we read about the taboo body parts in certain cultures and how certain women reacted when disturbed while bathing. Middle Eastern Women covered thier face, A Laotian woman her breasts, a Samoan her navel, Sumatran woman her knees, a European woman would cover her breasts with one hand and her genital area with the other. It goes to show that cultural difference is what makes certain things taboo not necessarily anything written in stone and of course religious variations. It also goes to show after reading the above that our American society is very much affected by the European one because most American women would do the same as the European at least I know I would. It's what we learn and what we adapt to.  |
Date: 4/12/2007 10:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
This is so culturally subjective. Some Muslims think a woman has to be covered from head to toe, while a tribe in South America runs around practically naked and doesn't perceive this as titillating. One man's ankle is another man's nipple.  |
Date: 4/12/2007 10:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
You're all prudes! Prudes! *takes of clothes and dances*  |
Date: 4/12/2007 10:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
my belief is this. Kids should be allowed to be kids. I got angry when I saw a nude poicture of marge simpson as the venus de milo on a jigsaw puzzle at a store in the kids section. My belief was that they were sexualising a cartoon that is very much attainable to kids. On the other hand I probably wouldn't take my daughter to see a piece of art until she was old enough to understand the point. Each child is different in regards to age and maturity levels. It is up to the parents to realise when there child is ready.  |
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Date: 4/12/2007 10:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
also I have often asked what is wrong with the nipple and why mine can be shown on tv but not a females. Maybe it is because men's nipples are decorational not functional!!!!! Kind of like fake taps in a garden. |
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Date: 4/12/2007 10:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
also the male nude body is more offensive because it is definatly the uglier of the two sexes. |
Date: 4/13/2007 2:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 62146
I Find it funny if it's a girl naked it's a lower nudety rateing than a naked male, so there for a naked guy is offensive, I find that sexist.  |
Date: 4/13/2007 3:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 27403
Acceptable nudity? How about when you take a bath! Or a piece of really good art? But, the use of partial nudity to sexually spice up a movie or tv show is simply sexploitation to draw the mind away from the fact that there is very little of substance here except for titilating the sexual senses. Don't we have enough sexual crime in this country without have sex brought into the living room on 1/2 of the commercials and TV shows! I do not find breast feeding in a public place as acceptable. You can't just whip that ol'baby out anywhere and anytime. There are appropriate places to breastfeed, and if there is not room, you can go to the car. This is not the stone age, with a baby hanging off of each breast. We wear clothes. With the covering of the breasts, we have made them a sexual object. WHen pulling them out in public, for whatever reason, some will find it titallating. I find that embarrassing. A girl in a itsy-bitsy bikini on a beach....that is fine and appropriate. A girl in the kitchen doing dishes in a itsy-bitsy bikini on a sit-com, I find ridiculous and offensive. Love and Light  |
Date: 4/13/2007 5:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 10245
why is it when we see a dog nursing her puppies or a litter of pigs tearing at their mother we find it "cute" and charming but when it's the human animal feeding her young it's digusting and perverted? Is it too much of a reminder that we really are animals?  |
Date: 4/13/2007 6:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 63194
I think the perverts are the ones who find it offensive.  |
Date: 4/13/2007 7:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 22188
I think nudity is the least of our problems. If I had a small child, I would much rather them see a little nudity in a non sexual context than a couple making love (quite animatedly in some cases) even though they are covered by the sheets. Even this type of scene, however, I would find preferable to someone on TV being shot in the head...but every attempt is made for scenes like that to be MORE graphic.  |
Date: 4/13/2007 8:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 19482
I think it's sexist that women can't show their nipples on TV and men can. What makes it sexist? Many, MANY men have bigger breasts than I do.  |
Date: 4/13/2007 8:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 53284
Some of the founders of this country were Puritans and their prudishness has carried on. I don't see any problem with nuditity per say. If it was common, no one would think twice about it.  |
Date: 4/13/2007 8:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 14464
I find it odd that woman practically are naked as they walk around in mini skirts that there butts hang out of and shirts their breasts hang out of, but nudity on tv is seen as wrong. When it is put on in a sexual way then I can understand. I do have to agree with Lightworker in saying breast feeding in public should not be allowed. I worked at a fast food and saw a few woman try and breast feed there and sorry but I do not think it's appropriate to have something like that where people are eating. I just find a dicolored boob to be gross looking.  |
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Date: 4/13/2007 8:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 63194
I still can't go along with the Sex Is A Bad Thing crowd. |
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Date: 4/13/2007 10:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 14464
Sex isn't a bad thing Ben I just think that people need to stop making the womans body a sexual thing more then something that is a beautiful thing. |
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Date: 4/13/2007 10:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 27403
Who is the world said that sex is a bad thing? Sex, to me, is a private thing. But then, I don't participate in orgies either. And if sex is a private thing, then why would you not only uncover your sexual parts in private. Love and Light |
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Date: 4/13/2007 10:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 27403
Are breasts sexual objects or are they feeding objects. Until there are more babies looking at them than men, I believe the percentage sees breasts as sexual objects. Love and Light |
Date: 4/13/2007 11:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
Where do I draw the line for acceptable nudity? I am not offended by statues or other artwork that dipicts nude people. I am not offended by women breastfeeding in public although I feel that the majority of them have enough modesty as to cover themselves. I am not offended by medical shows which show nudity. As for my own nudity, I have no reasonable purpose to be nude anywhere than in the privacy of my own home. God Bless.  |
Date: 4/13/2007 1:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
*snicker/snort* ^^^she said "nippel!" hee!  |
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Date: 4/13/2007 1:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
Just kidding. Actually, I'd love to read that paper. I have some views on the issue, but I can't talk now; I'll be back later. Great post. |
Date: 4/13/2007 2:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 7089
hey, a naked male chest on any guy I find attactive, let alone a Hollywood hottie, lights my lamp...Only difference 'tween ours & theirs is ours are biologically-optional to be functional, but isn't decoration a function too? As to the q tho, I'm pretty liberal...all I know is I've always had a dirty mind anyway, but dirty minds can be tempered into objectivity once the initial titillation-- no pun intended --is giggled-at & gotten over. & as i'm still not in the clearest frame of mind to be concise, think I'll end it here...Good luck w/the paper. cheers,  |
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Date: 4/13/2007 2:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
Sure, I think sex should be private if that is what YOU want. I dont think there are many people who really want to run around naked and I dont think that was the point either. |
Date: 4/13/2007 2:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Personally On documentries I dont see what it would hurt to show the whole thing, I mean they show babies being born. I do have a problem with hbo shows that come on at seven at night and show things like 'debbie does dallas again" that is a bit much. Sure one can turn the channel but what if one is flippin through channels for things to watch? I have grandsons that are old enough to control the remotes, that do not need to see that crap.  |
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Date: 4/13/2007 2:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
HBO is a cable channel, correct? Therefore, they should play whatever they want. |
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Date: 4/13/2007 2:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
that is what the "V"-chip & parental controls are for. |
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Date: 4/13/2007 2:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
we (Americans) are a very sexually repressed society, that are among the largest consumers of Porn, and have among the highest sex-crime rates. |
Date: 4/13/2007 2:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
now why is that, do you think?
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Date: 4/13/2007 2:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
(my comments got reversed) |
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Date: 4/13/2007 2:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
the "now why is that, do you think? " was to follow my observations about Americans. :P USM mixed-them up again! |
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Date: 4/13/2007 2:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
Yes, and that repression is the reason for the aggression. I dont believe people should be out sleeping around or anything, but when you tell someone that something is really bad, they are more likely to become curious and try to "rebel" |
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Date: 4/13/2007 3:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
Also: I love the name of your paper. |
Date: 4/13/2007 3:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Ben-I agree for the most part with your last statment completely.  The only difference I see with how we think on the matter, based on your comment, concerns people "sleeping around". I am a very firm believer in people making choices for themselves when it comes to their personal relations with others. To clarify further, I have ideas about what is, and is not acceptable for me. Exclusively myself. Am I condoning muliple partners for an adult? no. But neither will I condemn it. Now, I am speaking in generalizations, of course. |
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Date: 4/13/2007 3:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
Parental controls aside, I wonder-- who are these people watching pornography at 7pm on Sunday? You get out of mass, go home to have your Sunday dinner, then flip on the TV to watch some porn? |
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Date: 4/13/2007 3:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Ben, one of your comments up there kinda sounded like you were fine and dandy with sex in public if that is what people wanted to do. . . Did your comment come out in an unintended way or am I just reading that wrong? God Bless. |
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Date: 4/13/2007 4:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
No, I dont think people should be having sex on the park bench - Nor do I really believe anyone should walk around naked in public... I just see no reason to complain about what is on tv. If the network or whatever wants the nudity in the movie or show or whatever, by all means, put it there. |
Date: 4/13/2007 4:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
How did this discussion go from Acceptable Level(s) of Nudity to Sex in public places? See how quickly this discussion when fromthe Human Body, to Sexualization, to Sexual Norms. Kinda makes the point, doesn't it?  |
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Date: 4/13/2007 5:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 27403
I think it makes the point excellently. Nudity is associated with sex. There is no way that nudity can be separated from sex, as long as nudity is found to be sexually exiting. Love and Light |
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Date: 4/13/2007 6:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Lightworker, here is a couple sentences from my paper relating to your last comment: One art student spoke about her experiences modeling nude for a classroom full of students: “Everyone must maintain a façade that ‘this is not a sexual place,’ or it would be very confusing, even dangerous” (Carlin, 2007). This shows that even with a class full of hormone-raging twenty-something’s, nudity does not have to be equated with sex. It seems to illustrate that nudity is only sexual when we make it so. |
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Date: 4/13/2007 6:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
"It seems to illustrate..." ummm, if people grow up to where they are naturally supposed to be, they can see that nudity IS "only sexual when we make it so." Thing is, so many people don't realize that it is THEM who are making it so. |
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Date: 4/13/2007 7:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 27403
I think that looking through an artist's eyes is totally different than the eyes that are watching a porn movie on TV. I see absolutely no comparison between the two. Love and Light |
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Date: 4/13/2007 7:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 27403
Again, we are talking about the eyes of the beholder. As long as we dress our children, they will grow up to find nudity exciting. So, do we wish to be a nudist society. For I do not think you can have it both ways. Either everyone is going to wear clothes or no one is going to wear clothes. I think that is the only way that nudity will not be seen as sexually arousing. I, personally, like clothes. I think they are a wonderful adornment for the body. And we have to remember that not everyone is 20-35 with that perfect body. Many people look better with clothes on and prefer clothes. I like to wear sexy clothes when the time and place is right. I would lose that option in a nudist society. Anyway, I just don't think you can have it both ways. You can't have a clothed society and expect people to not find nudity sexually exciting. Love and Light |
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Date: 4/13/2007 8:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 7089
hey, a naked male chest on any guy I find attactive, let alone a Hollywood hottie, lights my lamp...Only difference 'tween ours & theirs is ours are biologically-optional to be functional, but isn't decoration a function too? As to the q tho, I'm pretty liberal...all I know is I've always had a dirty mind anyway, but dirty minds can be tempered into objectivity once the initial titillation-- no pun intended --is giggled-at & gotten over. & as i'm still not in the clearest frame of mind to be concise, think I'll end it here...Good luck w/the paper. cheers, |
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Date: 4/13/2007 8:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
As was said before, its a holdover of the puritan-prude disease. |
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Date: 4/13/2007 8:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
Lightworker, that is so not true. America over sexualizes - other countries wear clothes and yet do not OVER sexualize nudity. |
Date: 4/13/2007 8:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 27403
What countries are you speaking of, Ben? Love and Light
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Date: 4/13/2007 8:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
To our north, for one - though they are still stuck in prudeville as well. Move to the east - as was already said, they see violence as offensive, not the body. |
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Date: 4/14/2007 7:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 55967
Perhaps I missed it in the comments, and please forgive me if I did, but does anyone here think that pornography worsens the over-sexed mentality of Americans? |
Date: 4/17/2007 3:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 16865
It's just a body. We all have one. Whether male or female, we're all the same as the rest of our sex. Good grief. Who cares! I'm consiered "indecent" and that's only because of cleavage. So. It's skin. Get over it! There. That is my opinion.  |
Date: 10/11/2007 11:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 600
lol! Too late to debate here...by a few months or so. I've missed your debates Dizzy!  |
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Date: 10/11/2007 11:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 53284
It's interesting that the US seems to have such a weird attitude about nudity. Personally I don't really care that much. If people dropped their pretenses about nudity and just accepted it, it would become no big deal. |
