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Date: 6/25/2006 6:40:00 PM From Authorid: 63026 interesting...I am beginning to wonder though..who is actually running our country. I think Cheney and Rumsfeld is running our country. Those two are nothing but evil. I dont like them too. Bush is a fool who is being played by his administration. After 9-11 he had the whole united stated united, and managed to divide it in 2 years. Incomptence at its best. |
Date: 6/25/2006 6:40:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 I believe this is in the wrong category. Nothing historical here, only editorial. |
Date: 6/25/2006 6:57:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 two, George W is a part of history whether we like or not. Talking about Presidents is historical perspective. David/ |
Date: 6/25/2006 6:59:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 Psy, if you notice, alot of George Bush's actions are his father's unfinished business. David/ |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:00:00 PM From Authorid: 63026 yep |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:00:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 I stand behind what I stated. There is little if any historical fact here, only editorial rhetoric, and you blsapheme true history by posting such trach as this in this category. |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:05:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 Two, you are entitled to your opinion certainly. However, while the article outlines very little in the way historical events, it does chronicle a historical figure (past, present, and future) in which George W certainly is. David/ |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:08:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 You should learn history since it does not even accurately chronicle a historical figure. As I stated, this post does not belong in history. History should be a category to discuss historical facts, not editorial rhetoric. |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:13:00 PM From Authorid: 63026 rhetoric...like george bush says...stay the course, wmd's, mushroom clouds, stay the course, its for americas protection, stay the course, al-qaeda, 9-11, iraq...That's rhetoric |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:33:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 two, what are you not understanding? George Bush is part of history. George W Bush is a person, err at least I hope so. A Historical Figure is a person who has made history (past, present, and future). |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:35:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 lol, its amazing, but most anything can be construed as rhetoric... David/ |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:38:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 George Bush is part of history. This post though carries no historical fact or significance whatsoever. The history category should be for posting historical events and facts. |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:41:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 two, this post carrys alot of historical facts..can I point them out to you? David/ |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:43:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 You want to see historical fact, read the post I put in this category regurally. This is all editorial, in other words, someone's opinion. I have asked Admin to take a look and see if this post is in the right category. |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:46:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 thats interesting. I dont see any category rules listed, only your baseless rhetoric. David/ |
Date: 6/25/2006 7:49:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 secondly...you agreed with me that George bush is a historical figure, right? Therefore, we are talking about history. Just because its not about dates, doesn't mean the subject is not of historical context. David/ |
Date: 6/25/2006 8:45:00 PM From Authorid: 15228 How historical. Someone thinks George Bush is dumb and has "unresolved struggles with his father" because he didn't want to be pigeon holed into only being viewed as the former Presidents son? And he hasn't trotted his father out on every issue. Deep, very deep. If he did bring his father out, people would read deep seated dependency in that. It's a lose-lose situation. Than there is the "Bush led the country to war on false pretenses and neglected to plan the occupation that would inevitably follow". So, only every intelligence agency in the world said Saddam had WMD and that wasn't the only reason given for going to war, but that wouldn't fit the constant lie we hear from the democrats, right? You can make all the plans you want in a war...but win the shooting starts, the plans go out the window and besides, How does this person KNOW that plans weren't made for the occupation??? Do you really think NO plans were made...at all? None? This article is a lot of Freudian blather, save it for Oprah. |
Date: 6/25/2006 8:57:00 PM From Authorid: 15228 By the way, when I don't provide a link to an article, I'm quickly slammed down and told my post will be deleted if I don't add it. |
Date: 6/25/2006 9:08:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 Kelly, no offense, but did you read it clearly? The author of the article stated that father and son had unresolved issues in the past, but by the age of 40, Junior began to avenge the "black sheep" label even Bush jr had allegedly put upon himself with the Queen of England. Certainly, Dad is VERY happy with his son being President; I'm not sure why you are upset by this? BTW, it's not just someone either that believe the President to be dumb either. Its close friends, advisors, classmates, etc as evidenced by their cited quotes. Now, whether the quotes are true is for you to believe or not to believe. To me, the evidence has always been and will be, that historically, George Bush will be known as one of the dumbest presidents in history. Also, people have known that even with his father in the background, that Bush was a definate outsider that severely lacked political experience. I certainly laughed, when Dubya said he was going to stop the bickering in Washington and bring both sides together in his first run for office. So yes, you are right Kelly, its a lose-lose situation in that regard. |
Date: 6/25/2006 9:20:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100723.html. Check this link out in regards the US not being prepared for occupation. The Administration never publically denied the memo either. David/ |
Date: 6/25/2006 9:44:00 PM From Authorid: 15228 "A fourth and final quality of Bush's mind is that it does not think". How does the author (whoever it is) KNOW that Bush doesn't think? Or debate? Sounds like an intellectual elitist snob talking..if ONLY Bush would listen to this person (whoever wrote the article) than all would be right with the world. You are quite young, in my day Regean was always considered to be the "dumbest" President of all time by ever so tolerant liberals..how times have changed. Now of course, Bush is the dumbest President. Strange how only democrat Presidents are "smart", all republican Presidents are "dumb". |
Date: 6/25/2006 9:55:00 PM From Authorid: 15228 So, your going to base your assumption that there was absolutely no postwar planning on a British memo that may or may not be accurate? I highly doubt there was no postwar planning..maybe the plans didn't work out, maybe they didn't take into account that there would be an insurgency...but I'm pretty sure our Military isn't all that stupid...they have plans for everything. |
Date: 6/25/2006 9:59:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 there alot of Republican Presidents I've admired A) Lincoln B)Ronald Reagan C) Richard Nixxon D) theodore roosevelt. All these men had great minds in my opinion. Though, Reagan was more or less just a dynamic speaker, not necessarily a brillant policy maker. |
Date: 6/25/2006 10:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 28071
Kelly...Few Americans understand what's actually occurring in Iraq. The Iraqi government and military is thoroughly corrupt and the insurgents are more dedicated to their cause than any other group in modern guerilla warfare. I know of someone who recently talked to a Ft. Bragg field grade civil affairs officer who returned from Iraq a few weeks ago. He told him the Iraqi army is paid from US funds and their pay is determined by the unit size. Their commanders over report their troop strength by at least 2x and keep the extra money for themselves. There is no oversight and US senior commanders don't want to hear about the discrepency in reported vs actual unit strength. Gee, no oversight? I thought Iraq was all planned-out? This is all coming directly from a ranking military personnel returning from the area overseas. The person reporting this is neither a Democrat or Republican. In fact he despises both parties. furthermore, He also told him about an experience he had just before he departed Iraq. Their unit had made good progress in a village concerning insurgent activity. They rewarded the people of the small village with projects that directly helped the people there. They even passed out 5 soccer balls they paid for themselves for some of the children in the village. The children ranged from 6 -14 and were very grateful to the Americans for the gift. A few days later they returned to the village and noticed right away a change of behavior in the people there. They were very uncooperative. Come to find out a day after the Americans passed out the soccer balls the insurgents came into town and beheaded all 5 kids who received the balls. |
Date: 6/26/2006 4:28:00 AM From Authorid: 47296 David, while you know of someone that talked to someone that knew or talked to someone else that was in Iraq, I am sure Kelly, and know that I have, actually talked to people that have been there. Do you want to know who a good many of the insurgents and agitators are? They are not Iraqis, but people from outside Iraq, primarily Syrians. They are the same ones that were the insurgents when we were in Lebanon. When it comes to believing third, fourth, and even fifth hand stories coming back from over there over first hand accounts, I will take the first hand accounts any day. |
Date: 6/26/2006 6:30:00 AM From Authorid: 2030 Actually to attribute Global warming, the entire operation of the War in Iraq, Aids and entitlement spending all to George W. Bush either shows the imense evil power and superhuman intelligence of Bush or the ignorance of the Author. |
Date: 6/26/2006 6:34:00 AM From Authorid: 2030 And why do you have your name at the bottom of the article instead of crediting the real author, Jacob Weisberg? |
Date: 6/26/2006 7:28:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 28071
two, I have talked to a few soldiers myself first hand, but none as high-ranking as the person with whom the person that reported to me deffered to. And yes, I know where the insurgents are coming from. The word "insurgent" alone indicates these are non-Iraqis. Alot of the insurgents are from Jordan as well. |
Date: 6/26/2006 7:33:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 BCAR, no one person is attributed to these causes, with perhaps exception to the Iraqi occupation. I don't speak for the author, nor pertain to. I think in jest, that while Bush might not have created these problems he is doing little in his power to help solve them. My name has ALWAYS been at the bottom for every post. I gave credit to the magazine, and provided a link which is sufficient enough. I'm not writing a paper here, so I do not necessarily need full citation ,lol. |
Date: 6/28/2006 8:13:00 AM From Authorid: 11240 I heard recently (sorry, going from memory here so I don't have a cite that out of a 40 hour work week the average amount of time it actually takes a person to do their work is 14 hours. I bring this up to point out that W's in a very public position in which he needs to look like he is actually doing "something" when in reality, (and I believe this to be true of all presidents), it is the people behind him, behind the scenes, that are the ones doing this "job". So how dumb is a person who manages to "look" busy? Anyway, I don't percieve W. as dumb necessarily, but I do believe the influence of who his father is has given him unfair advantage to get and KEEP this position. Will the history writers see W. as the more successful president of the Bushes because he managed to retain the position twice as long as his father? God Bless. |
Date: 6/28/2006 5:27:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 28071 Deb thanks for the post The Presidents do stay very busy, though I hear President Bush takes alot of vacations. In fact, the President has a daily itenary and has to meet with so many people that the White House limits appointments to 15 minutes a piece. Its not uncommon for a president to work from 6 am to 700 pm at night. Just think how long they must work in times of crisis. I know Lincoln wasn't able to sleep much during the Civil War. David/ |
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