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Date: 4/24/2006 3:39:00 PM ( Admin )
First I must say that most pictures are Naked. Otherwise you couldn't see them. lol.. however, pictures of naked people in the pictures is a different story. I would have to say that I think the person that put these up doesn't care what you or anyone else thinks about them. That shows a level of inconsideration and says a lot about them without even talking about the content of the pictures. Even if the Pictures were of Art and not Porn there might be a question of lack of consideration. I don't think this is a question of Religion but may be one of morals. I'm always shocked when I enter a persons house and they have Play(whatever) or Porn magazines laying around. I think that the images themselves are not a problem for others with different morals because each of us decides what enters our minds and stays there, it is difficult but you can do it. Judements on the other hand are probably going to be a problem in the long run. I would probably avoid any situations that may have long term affects on my mind. |
Date: 4/24/2006 3:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
I would think that they had the mentality of a teenage boy. I wouldn't be impressed.  |
Date: 4/24/2006 3:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
"filled with 'naked' pictures, and drawing" ?? I'd have to see the pictures or drawings in order to determine anything. What maybe ART to some people might be considered pornographic to others (especially religious folks). Remember back a few years ago when the then Attorney General Ashcroft wanted a statue covered up in Washington? I thought that was just downright silly. Ashcroft is a fundamentalist Pentacostal. They view everything as being pornographic. I bet he even thought the great works of art by Michelangelo were disgusting and pornographic.  |
Date: 4/24/2006 3:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
The thing is that this guy does not care about how others thing...like you said admin! The whole house from the first time you enter are covered with these pictures...and for someone religious, this could in my opinion be a little suprising to say the least...there are some pictures which are very well done. Its seriously like an 'art' gallery of naked pictures! In the house alone there are over 300 pictures...all different sizes, but of the same theme!  |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Admin, You are ASSUMING that these were pornographic in nature. Were they art books? Were they about great works of art, ie, statues, and drawings, etc, perhaps a collection of sorts? What? We don't know. Now.....IF, in fact these WERE just magazines like a couple of well known ones (unmentionable here) then I'm quite certain that your questioning their "morals" might have a tad bit more substanciation. All in all, I don't question anyone's morals merely because they like this type of ART work, or even if they like certain popular magazines. IF they are hard-core porn, then YES, by all means, you are correct in your assessment though. |
Date: 4/24/2006 4:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
it really depends i guess.. i'm sure we all have entered homes and they had things on display or hanging up that we didn't agree with(accidental undies left hanging dry in the bathroom or some form of artwork) as for pictures.. depends..is it tasteful artwork?(for example i have a smallish marble statue from rome that sits on our shelf it shows a naked man and woman in an embrace) or is it something a little more graphic(dont want to use the word pervy) i think if i walked into a home where it showed nude artwork hanging on the walls(this can be a wide spectrum from a naked baby, to a pregnant mother baring her belly, to someone taking pride in thier nude figure, to artistic nudes of someone sitting somewhere) i think i'd be more curious then surprised or shocked.. heck my mom used to have child pictures of me and my sister in the tub(we were probably 3 and 5 at the time) in the bathroom...i guess i see it as there are different types of "naked" pictures.. there are those that belong in mens magazines and there are those what are artwork  |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Lil Leppy, you mention "Host family" but that does not tell the reader very much. Were you a guest in these peoples home? Did you just visit there with someone else? You KNOW these people personally? Know them well? Appears there is an awful lot of assumptions going on here. |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
"this guy does not care about how others think..." When I decorate MY....OWN....home, I'm not so concerned with what others think. It is MY home. It is MY taste. It is MY expression; MY views on what I find beautiful and ART. If I invite someone to my home, I don't first think "well, golly gee, this guy is a bit uptight about nudity, or what not, then go around and proceed to cover up a statue, or take down a piece, just to accomodate the guest. |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:19:00 PM ( Admin )
Thinker.. YOU ARE ASSUMING that I was assuming.. Lol.. I didn't assume anything. |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
Thinker; I am working for this family, and live in their home! I do know them well enough! I have been working here for 3 months now, and have known them for a little whilst longer! The man is 60 years old, and the woman is 42, no problem there...however when they go out, the woman HAS TO get dressed up in tight mini skirts, and see through tops...There are some nice pictures and we have some nice statues in the house, but I think that it goes a little over the top! |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
The home is not owned by him, but by his 'lover' he owns most of the pictures however... |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
Midnightly, These are the types of pictures (not all but some) that would probably form the center piece in a magazine... |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:23:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
But why would you not be impressed wildbob? Would you not be the least bit interested? |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
THIS : "That shows a level of inconsideration and says a lot about them" and "...but may be one of morals." IS assuming. |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:27:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
but if you were religious, and based on your religious believes, would you think these pictures were too much? |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
"tight mini skirts, and see through tops" Do YOU think this woman is too old to wear such things? Is this an attractive woman? Or, is she a huge, overweight, sleezy kind of person; you know, kinda like the ones you see on Jerry Springer? There are way too many things that the reader cannot tell from just your version of things. Again, I would have to personally see the different art work, drawings and know the people involved. I'm just getting the impression that it is more YOUR views on these matters that is being projected here, and not so much the ACTUAL case. |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
if i was a very religous person i would not judge how the owner kept his home... if i was to go into a home filled with crosses and photos and images of god on the halls and displays i would not judge them for that... if your trying to see from a workers perspective.. it's all about comfort of the employee.. if the new employee isnt comfortable in the work enviroment they might do better in a different enviroment |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
My views are as follows; Anyone can wear what they like, but when they are being told what to wear out on a dinner date, and are embarrassed to take off their jacket when they get their because it is a very conservative resturant, then yes i do start to think that something is happening here....The woman said to me conserning her dress attire, that i was not to "laugh" and she said that she felt embarrassed....when the man goes in a t-shirt, and jeans, and she MUST dress up! |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Are YOUR religious beliefs affecting how YOU see these things? See, my family is religious; they wear long dresses to cover up everything. They see ANYTHING that is bared as being "nekkid" and sinful. Looking at a woman merely breast feeding her baby is frowned on. Also, they consider any woman at the age you mentioned as being "old" and shouldn't wear things "too young". |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
this woman is attractive...she is not overweight, and she can wear these clothes without any problems at all! |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
No because I am not religious...However I do believe, but these pictures and paintings have nothing to do with me, but my question was, how would it affect someone who would be religious...knowing that somebody is religious, would you invite them into your home, knowing these things, and knowing that they are religious...these people critizise other religions... |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
ahhh...this woman is being told by her husband or boyfriend what to wear, and she does what he wants but doesn't like it? |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
"if the new employee isnt comfortable in the work enviroment they might do better in a different enviroment" I AGREE, midnightly. |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
right thinker....she does it to please him! |
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Date: 4/24/2006 4:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
Midnightly, very well said! |
Date: 4/24/2006 4:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 4309
Ok its still not being made clear if this is real family first off. If its a couple living alone then its a couple living alone. Also its not made clear if these pictures are naked pictures of the couple, naked pictures that are meant to be X-rated and made for men, or works of art. If its works of art then by all means have 1000 more pictures up on the wall.  |
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Date: 4/24/2006 5:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Lil Leppy, let me tell you a little true story that might put all this into perspective: Many years ago, when I was a teenager; I used to be quite involved in lots of church activities. I used to go on choir tours all over the upper eastern states. After appearing at a particular church, us kids were then taken into various homes for the night by church members. One night I arrived at these peoples home after a concert we did in their church, and they were most gracious, very accomodating and all, but I was shocked to see a BAR set up in their home. So why would I be shocked to see a BAR, you would ask increduously? Well, from where I was coming from; the religious mindset (and is still this way to day!) was that ALL drinking is sinful and that people who drink are of "loose morals". I can laugh now, but back then, oh my, it was very hard to understand why anyone if they were a christian would drink liquor. It wasn't anything to do with reality of the situation. It was MY religious beliefs; it was MY own perception; MY pre-determined mindset (what I was taught) that condemned these people. |
Date: 4/24/2006 6:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Didnt you say you lived in Switzerland taking care of a two year old boy? The point being, over there they are much more lax concerning the human body then those of the united states. To them there is nothing wrong with this. If the drawings are in good taste and not porno in nature then I would not worry about it. I dont think it shows a lack of morals, but a nature for the arts. NOW if it was in this country, and small kids were in the house they would probably take the kids out of the home, ect ect.  |
Date: 4/24/2006 6:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 28848
What does nude pictures have to do with religion?  |
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Date: 4/24/2006 6:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Release Me, a persons religious beliefs colors everything with which/how they view everything; especially what is considered "Art", what is considered "moral" and what is considered "taboo". |
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Date: 4/24/2006 6:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Firstborn makes a very good point. |
Date: 4/24/2006 6:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
not being a mind reader like some I'll just say that this person can judge for themselves what is art, pornography or none of the above. Then their religious conviction can be their guide.  |
Date: 4/24/2006 8:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 54444
I was taught "a man's home is his castle" therefore I wouldn't make an issue of what he/she keeps there. I may only visit once if I am offended the first time, but beyond that I would let it rest.  |
Date: 4/24/2006 9:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 101
Thinker, "a level of inconsideration" seems self evident hense the post and "may be" is hardly assumption. And nothing in my response assumed it was "You are ASSUMING that these were pornographic in nature". So as angry as this might make you, I think you should back off and apologize for the way you responded to me.  |
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Date: 4/24/2006 9:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 4309
Can you name specifically who is a mind reader. |
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Date: 4/24/2006 9:26:00 PM ( Admin )
Actually I would really not like to discover that bits and pieces of what people say are taken out of context and re-presented in a form in which is nothing like their intentions for the sake of trying to make a point. Because if that is that case then there is more harm in the point than any assumptions. |
Date: 4/24/2006 10:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
"a level of inconsideration" seems self evident hense the post and "may be" is hardly assumption. <<<Call me a dummie, but THAT makes no sense to me.
"....bits and pieces of what people say are taken out of context and re-presented in a form in which is nothing like their intentions..." Radman, EVERYONE can go back up there and READ your entire first reply to this post. They CAN put it all into context. So can I. And I see it as I SEE it, in context, and I still see it as you were assuming. And, you're further assuming when you say
"....there is more harm in the point than any assumptions.". WHAT "harm" is my "point" making? "back off and apologize" for what? The "way I responded" to you? *scratches head* Radman, I was merely replying to how I see your reply. I disagree with it. You don't like my disagreeing with you. I'm sorry. I don't know how else to say I disagree. I explained why or how. What other "way" of responding might there be? *puzzled*
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Date: 4/24/2006 10:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
quote: "as angry as this might make you" See, there you go again assuming. That does not in anyway make me angry. Why should it? By your asking/suggesting that I "back off and apologize"? NO. No anger here. I understand, George. |
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Date: 4/24/2006 11:28:00 PM ( Admin )
Thinker.. Where did I assume ""You are ASSUMING that these were pornographic in nature".. |
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Date: 4/25/2006 1:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 4309
Touche? |
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Date: 4/25/2006 1:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 4309
You know your both wrong if I say so right? |
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Date: 4/25/2006 1:59:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
Wiley, this couple live in a large house...they have one child. These photos like I think i have already mentioned...are naked pictures of the woman only! and naked pictures of other people, mostly girls. also like I said some of these pictures would be x rated, and would probably form a center piece in a magazine! |
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Date: 4/25/2006 2:00:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
The Thinker, thanks for sharing that story! It does put things into perspective! |
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Date: 4/25/2006 2:04:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
Oh I see where this post went!....*hids in the corner* |
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Date: 4/25/2006 5:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 4309
OMGasp. You had your post stolen.. THEIVES!! @_@ |
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Date: 4/25/2006 6:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
First off Wiley, wasn't addressing you (unless you can tell me the number between 1 and 10 I'm thinking of. Now to clarify my comment, Art vs. Porn is in the eye of the beholder, of course when a vast majority of the beholders consider it obscene then laws come into play. As for this persons house and wall art, again, let your convictions be your guide, everyone (yes everyone) should be entitled to their convictions (within legal reason). |
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Date: 4/25/2006 7:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 63202
I would probably raise an eyebrow, but would not comment on how my employer chose to decorate his/her home. Being me, who I am. I don't know how to put this next part without showing my ignorance but I am surprised an athiest would hire someone with strong religious beliefs to work in the privacy of their home. I would think that someone of STRONG religious beliefs would would be horridly offended by the naked pitcures. I would see a ton of issues and conflicts between employer and employee. |
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Date: 4/25/2006 7:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 63202
And in all honesty, I can't see the Strong Religious person remaining in that position for very long. Why because they would have a natural tendency to say something about the pictures. |
Date: 4/25/2006 7:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
When I first got together with my now husband, I had "boudoir" pictures taken of myself in various stages of undress and gave them to him as a Christmas present. On New Year's, my atheist sister and her husband (ex-Morman) and their two year old son came to visit. After being in our house for a little over an hour, my brother-in-law walked over to the shelf that these pictures were displayed and placed them face down and said that he didn't mind them but he didn't feel it was appropriate for his son. No big deal. I eventually got rid of them. My husband used to act the same way with me about going out in revealing clothing. After years of cunseling, he finally was able to realize that it is his insecurity at issue, having to have other guys look favorably or admiringly at who was with him in order for him to feel that his choice of a partner was validated. I don't know if you're asking as to whether you should stay in their employment or not, Lil Leppy, but if I were there I would urge the woman into counseling and a good counselor would eventually insist the 60 year old "man" get in there also to deal with the insecurity he, to me anyway, obviously has. God Bless.  |
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Date: 4/25/2006 8:11:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
63202, thank you for answering like that...that is what i was looking for when i first posted this.... |
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Date: 4/25/2006 8:14:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
Deb, my employment here is short lived, but it really has nothing to do with the pictures in the house...i do agree with you that this lady should go to councelling, and that maybe he has issues which need to be dealth with....but it is difficult for me to say these things, because i am a friend of them yes, but i am not that close of a friend to suggest them go to councelling, and i am still their employer! |
Date: 4/25/2006 12:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 62823
53054, I'm sure it never crossed the owner's mind that he should change his environment because someone might be offended. People of that mind set do not worry about those things. Most Christians try to avoid these types of environments because they KNOW they do not lead to holiness but rather temptation. On the other hand, Jesus spent a lot of time with the sinners, tax payers, prostitutes, etc. Did you ever think that the Holy Spirit is working His will through you to bring conversion to this home? The fact that you are bothered by this (I believe) is God tugging at your heart to share His good News with them. Ask our Lord for guidance...He WILL help you! SueBjazz  |
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Date: 4/25/2006 12:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 53054
SueBjazz, would you mind to elaberate on that point a little more? |
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Date: 4/25/2006 1:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 62823
53054, most of the time we do not know why we are led to certain places or people in our lives, but be assured that it's no coincidence! A light always shines forth in the darkness. A good Christian will do whatever it takes to bring souls back to God even if it means being uncomfortable in a situation or an environment. It's no benefit to Christians to be judgemental. We should be compassionate to people who live in opposing lifestyles as our Lord was compassionate to Niccodemus and Mary Magdalene. God works His Will through all of us and in the most unusual places and circumstances. SueBjazz |
Date: 4/25/2006 2:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
Gazza, Why would a religious person be placed with an Au-Pair couple who are not religious? Shouldn't an organization match a person to a family according to his/her religious beliefs?  |
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Date: 4/26/2006 2:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 4309
The guy has every right to his pictures without the feeling of embarassment. |
