Date: 8/5/2005 11:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 53284
The south had slavery. Many still feel that displaying a confererate flag is just a little short or wearing a KKK uniform. Now you may not be a racist or have any racist feelings but you are lacking the capacity to understand how someone whose ancestors were slaves could be insulted by your display of the flag. To many people the confererate flag represents the "old" south which included slavery.  |
Date: 8/5/2005 11:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 37150
either way i don't think they should kill people for it. I don't know why people think they can take others' lives into their own hands. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Be well,  |
Date: 8/5/2005 11:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 11341
Im sorry to hear about your friend. People who can kill over a flag are just looking for a reason, any reason to kill someone. You have the right to display your flag but with it meaning risking death I wouldnt. Again, Im sorry.  |
Date: 8/5/2005 11:57:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62163
Thanks mayuka, but still, I can see some one killing someone for a kkk uniform but not the flag. - Mr.Nascar-  |
Date: 8/5/2005 12:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 12006
I live in North Carolina. I don't know where you are, but I see confederate flags on every flagpole around here. Nobody gets shot--the blacks would have to shoot everyone. My problem with the flag that they fly is that it is not the REAL confederate flag. What you think is the flag of the Confederate States of America is really the battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia. Thus, when people say, "heritage, not hate," it really doesn't mean much because they aren't accurately portraying southern heritage. I think people should start flying the real confederate flag and then nobody would know what it was, so there would be less violence. Like it or not, the confederate flag is a part of southern history and it is here to stay.  |
Date: 8/5/2005 12:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 8905
Im with you on this one. The confederate flag is a part of history, and just because you have one on your truck, your shirt, or your wall, doesnt make you a racist. Honestly, to me, it seems that the people that think the confederate flag is a symbol of racism are the racist ones themselves. Yeah the south had slaves, and yeah some of them were mistreated and so on and so forth, HOWEVER.... So were the Native Americans. I mean, lets be serious here. The slaves were brought to America... but America was taken from the Native Americans. And what about the indentured servants? Fancy name for slaves, but we don't see them murdering people in cold blood for having a flag on their truck. I will admit, there are some out there that are racist, that are KKK, that are ignorant... but they dont worship the confederate flag.... Sadly, they stare at the same flag we stare at everyday. The American Flag. So its not the flag, its the mindset of the person. Eventually, someone other then me will relize that.... -PhantomCrow-  |
Date: 8/5/2005 12:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 11251
WildBob...the north had slavery too. Maybe not as widespread, but it was there. Anyway,I was born and raised in south Mississippi,and anyone who knows me knows that I am in no way shape or form someone who treats people differently due to race, gender,sexual orientation...or whatever. Like many other symbols,the flag was just a way that the south used to seperate themselves from the north, whom they felt were giving them a raw deal. Let's not forget that slavery was really only a minor issue in the Civil War. Anyway,I could get really into this topic, but it usually gets to heated so I will just fade back into the shadows.  |
Date: 8/5/2005 12:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 62849
I don't know why people get so adamant about flying the Confederate flag. The CSA does not exist anymore. Maybe it's because I'm not from the south. It doesn't bother me that people fly it, but that doesn't make me understand why people insist on it. -Beags  |
Date: 8/5/2005 12:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 62876
I am not trying to be offensive here, but around here it implies that its owner is a redneck more than anything else...lol! I have to agree with Beags here. The Civil War has been over, the Conferate States hasn't been a separate union, for a long, long time. I don't get the attraction to the thing myself. I was born in Nebraska, but I don't feel like sticking the flag in the back windows of my pickup truck.  |
Date: 8/5/2005 12:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
Ummm lets see...teh flag to you is about heritage but to people who were oppressed or feel as though they are it is a symbol of that oppression. Granted slavery is not a worry for them anymore but the attitudes of many are still that of the "old south" My daughter and I were just having this conversation the other day. At her school the puerto ricans are allowed to wear their flag and nothing is said but if anyone wears a confederate flag they have to change or they are suspended...not really fair but I do see the reasons for the confederate flag being a negative thing  |
Date: 8/5/2005 12:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 15157
I believe it is the result of those who have underhandedly perversed that type of flag in its meaning. My eldest son`s school had the confederate flag...because the school was named after Robert E. Lee...Someone started cryin` about it being a racist object and should not be part of the HighSchools representation. I saw nothing wrong with it. Someone ruined it`s real meaning forever  |
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Date: 8/5/2005 1:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
Also I am from the south and I am white and I am very proud of my heritage and the customs but to me the confederate flag is not part of that. To me the south is more about the lifestyle...the people...the food. What is the importance of a flag?? If you are going to fly a flag why not fly the one that really should mean something to you and that is the United States flag?? I mean we are not a divideed country anymore we are united and there is and should only be one flaag for our country |
Date: 8/5/2005 1:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 63165
It is hipicritical people doing exactly what they are being militant about. That is: using an outward sign to sterotype those wirh that outward appearance with internal attributes. Wheather you think everyone with a CFR flag is a rasist, or that every scruffy person on a Hog is dangerous, or that every white guy that owns a business is out to cheat all of his employees is the same "sin". Tars Tarkas  |
Date: 8/5/2005 1:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 63047
thats just not cool. They may be offende because of the slavery and the flag and all, but what did you or your buddy do to THEM? Huh? see if they can answer that heh heh  |
Date: 8/5/2005 1:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I live in Florida & see the "Stars & Bars" everywhere. I was raised in the North-so it has no emotional impact on me one way, or another. I have family in West Virgina (which was neutral during the Civil War) and I had family that fought on both sides. People just need to chill-it is all a part of History.  |
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Date: 8/5/2005 1:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
KiKi-that is tragic that it was turned into a "problem"....people do need to chill. |
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Date: 8/5/2005 1:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 62059
some people who have confederate flags displayed aren't racist, but many of them are. Not to stereotype, but everyone I have ever dealt with that had confederate flags in their home, vehicle...etc haven't exactly been opened minded to other races. They were racist. Just the same that I used to see a lot of people wearing a shirt with a large X on it for Malcolm X. Some people who wore them didn't feel it is racist. However, many who wear them are. Malcolm X was a racist. Malcolm X tshirts. Confederate flags. All controversial. I wouldn't have a confederate flag on anything. And even if I wanted to I wouldn't because it makes people think you're racist...Hawk |
Date: 8/5/2005 1:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
I agree with Hawk.  |
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Date: 8/5/2005 1:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
I was not arguing for or against the display of the confererate flag. The author asked why people could be upset with the flag. I provided an answer that a black friend told to me. I live in California. I don't really care if you want to fly the stars and bars or not. That's up to you. |
Date: 8/5/2005 2:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 49689
The United States of the Confederacy Flag = The South = Slavery = KKK = Racism..It's all an association ...It's Not Hate,it's Heritage  |
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Date: 8/5/2005 2:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
You know you could argue that it is heritage all you want but there are lots of things that people are taught and could be considered their heritage but does it make it a positive thing that should be celebrated? |
Date: 8/5/2005 2:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 49689
it started off as a symbol of pride and finished off as a symbol of haterd.when the flag first came about it was all about southern pride and heritage and what not. However after the civil war when the KKK was created they used the flag as a symbol of haterd of minorities and in later times when all the hate groups were becoming even more fired up against blacks they waved around that flag at all their meetings when they were saying i hate blacks, jews, and everybody who isn't me. some people now still see it as only a symbol of heritage, but you have to put yourself in a minorties body and see what they see when every time you see the flag it is always associated with something bad such as racism, what more can you think?
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Date: 8/5/2005 2:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 49689
So to some people it is still a symbol of the heritage they came from,but to others,it is a way to symbolize their racist views |
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Date: 8/5/2005 2:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
You also need to look at how people perceive the flag. You may fly the flag with pride in your southern heritage and others may perceive this as a blatant display of racism. There must be another way to proclaim your pride in your heritage that doesn't offend others. |
Date: 8/5/2005 3:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 17081
It's more like a "redneck" thing around here. There was a big deal about it in our local newspaper when the newspaper shot a photo of a boy on a tractor with the flag. It was tractor day at the school. I don't see it being racist either.  |
Date: 8/5/2005 3:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 7574
It's hard to change people's opinions.  |
Date: 8/5/2005 3:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 54444
Ive never understood it either Nascar, but usually when you/I raise the question people stare at me like I am totally stupid and start a hassel which i suppose they call a debate. But their logic really is devoid of reason so I don't bother to get involved.  |
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Date: 8/5/2005 3:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 54444
I an an entomologist and I have hundreds of dead insects framed on my wall. does that mean I am for destroying or killing all the insects in our environment? Of course not. but the same logic is involved. I have a friend who collects Nazi weapons and stuff...Is he a Nazi...No. I hate even going here but there is much ignorance running around on two legs today. The real racist mentality is in the heart of those who think it is their duty to make others think the same as they do. Best to do what works for you and ignor them. It is not your obligation to patronize all the others who misunderstand your motives. |
Date: 8/5/2005 3:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
There are two main interpretations to the civil war: one side believes that it was a war for independence of the south and the other side believes that it was a war to perpetuate slavery and oppress blacks. How you interpret that pretty much determines whether you are going to see the flag as a racist symbol or not. Eitehr way, it doesn't justify MURDERING someone.  |
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Date: 8/5/2005 3:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
MOA just because you cant/wont understand someone logic doesnt mean it is devoid of reason. It may be heritage to someone who is southern born but to those who's heritage is that of slavery then to them it is a reminder of how they were/are treated. They may no longer be slaves but the thoughts ideology of the "old south" is still alive in many. It may not be in yours or the authors hearts or minds but it is in many and that is where the controversy over what the flag means comes from. |
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Date: 8/5/2005 3:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 54444
Actually in my opinion you don't even owe them an explaination, even though they try to make you feel like you do. |
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Date: 8/5/2005 3:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
Symbols have different meanings to different people...while some may see something as just a flag others may see something totally differnt. Like you said your friend collects Nazi memorbilia to you it may be harmless but lets say someone who was alive in that era and witnessed or lived through the horrors of what happened do you think that the Nazi memorbilia is harmless to them? Do you think they would look at those items the same way? |
Date: 8/5/2005 3:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
It is not the flag that is racist, it is the way people use it. I had an arguement with a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans over their use of the battle flag. Personally, if one wished to revere their southern heritage, there are other ways to do it. I had several ancestors that fought in the War Between the States. I honor them not with the batle flag, since only one served under that flag. I honor them with the Blood Stained Banner, one of the official flags of the Confederacy. What has made the battle flag a racist symbol was it's use during the civil rights era, and it's continued use by numerous white supremist groups. It does surprise me that your school system still allows kids to wear clothes that depict the flag, since many schools have done way with any clothing that has the flag on it or depicts the flag. The biggest problem for those who wish to honor their heritage is that what is taught in schools today about that period in time is highly inaccurate. There is no education on events leading up to the Civil War, and no mention of what actually started the war. Many believe it was the firing on Fort Sumter, but it was not. A good look at history will clearly show that the war did not have to be fought, and that it was Lincoln's own actions which led to war.  |
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Date: 8/5/2005 3:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
Also, as many have mentioned on here, it has since gained an association with yahoo racist schmucks. The KKK is a big fan of the confederate flag-- you can find it papered all over their website. I don't think it's fair to say that the flag's only about southern pride. There is obviously a racial subtext going on here-- for BOTH proponents and oponents. |
Date: 8/5/2005 4:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 1225
It's what the Confederate flag symolizes. True, displaying a Confederate flag does not mean you're a racist, just insensitive. It is a flag that was adopted by a country that came into being in an effort to retain their slaves. Displaying the flag asserts your tacit approval of that endeavor.  |
Date: 8/5/2005 7:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
the confederate flag is a rather racist symbol, as one of the reasons that they wished to seperate, and oen of the largest reasons i should emphasize, was because they wanted to continue with slavery  |
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Date: 8/5/2005 8:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
the Civil War was not just about slavery.... |
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Date: 8/5/2005 8:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 11251
***sigh*** History is written by those who won the war. |
Date: 8/5/2005 8:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 58308
I hate to hear about your friend.  |
Date: 8/5/2005 8:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 62249
I am with you buddy.  |
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Date: 8/5/2005 8:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 49689
there's nothing civil about war |
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Date: 8/5/2005 9:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
History is written by those who won the war, i agree, and rightfully so. if the south had won, do you realize what this country would be like today? and although slavery wasnt what the war was all about, it was the major factor |
Date: 8/5/2005 9:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Jessica and Two Spirit "nailed" down, enough said for me.  |
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Date: 8/6/2005 12:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 54444
Jessica, of course the Nazi junk is harmless to them. What is harming them is thier own thoughts and associations, memories whatever, i.e. their own fear which of course is justified if they were a victim. But the objects are just objects. Just as a flag aint nothing but a flag. People seem to have a hard time separating symbols from reality. That doesn't mean other people have to passify or coddle those fears. There are plenty of things I hate and fear, but I don't expect anyone to modify their way of life to accomidate my personal emotional associations with inantimate objects. Now of course I am not talking about actual agressive actions of others. If there is an actual threat of evil action against someone that is a whole other thing. but PLEASE an inanimate object hanging on a wall or in someones truck doies not qualify unless there is actual evidence of malicious intent. Think of the nutcases that are threatened by a monument of the ten commandments or a nativity scene which are also historical icons. I don't have or display Nazi junk and have never owned or desired to own or display a confederate flag. But say whatever you will they are all harmless objects and not evil. Only people and their thoughts are evil. If a person has a problem reacting to such an object, There is therapy to cure that and it doesn't involve taking away the rights of another to display that object...Methinks in fact that their right is protected under what we call Freedom of Speech. |
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Date: 8/6/2005 5:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 53900
It may be true that it is their thoughts and emotions but it is also true that the flag is what is causing them to feel this way and as you said people have the right to display this flag although I will never understand the need behind it I think they also need to understand that for some people no matter what you do for them or how it is justified or not justified they are still going to see these things as symbols of hate because of their experiences with people who display these things. It is not right to judge people simply by something they own but it happens. If you ask why I can give an explanation as to the why...doesnt mean it is right or fair. I still stick by the thought that we are now one country and the flag that should be getting flown is the united states flag |
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Date: 8/6/2005 5:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 53900
Also while the items may be just items the feelings they provoke can be very painful to deal with...if it was a close friend or relative who was dealing with it would you still insist on your right to display it? |
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Date: 8/6/2005 5:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 53900
Just wanted to add that my statements are not directed ay any one person in particular and the you is a generalized you as in anybody...dont want anyone to think I am singling them out |
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Date: 8/6/2005 1:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 54444
Jessica...I am not saying you are wrong. Indeed you are not wrong and yes the feelings are painful. And as I already said they are justified feeling so. It still doesn't mean the right of the person to display what evidently means something to him should be discarded in favor of the other person's right. Best example I can think of is how they cure people of phobias by desensitizing them. If you have a fear of spiders, for instance, the proper approach would be to desensitize you (takes 3 0r 4 days) not to keep you in a steral environment where there were no spiders, or to kill all the spiders. This may not make sense to you but to me it makes a lot of sense. The freedom or right to display an object is attatched to our freedom of speech. It applies to everyone and to pick and choose who gets the benefit of it is to totally obscure it and make it meaningless. If I forbid or ban anothers right to display what I personally find offensive, than I am giving them the right to forbid or ban what I deem precious or holy. So people should get a grip on their own lives and not keep making more and more rules of conduct for everyone else...UNLESS AND THIS IS A BIG UNLESS...unless there is an actural physical threat of danger and agression or violence involved. But that is not the case in the framework of this debate. Instead the violence is coming from the other side. If I were the author I would not risk my life to display any icon I can think of...I have more intelligence and love of life than to do so. But that's another debate altogether. Love and peace to all. Think I'll go fishing. |
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Date: 8/6/2005 6:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
MOA, in your reference to "nutcases" that are offended by monument, I was one of those who was vocals against Roy Moore's display in Alabama. It was not the disply itself that bothered me, but where it was placed, the way it was done, and Moore's ulteriror motive for placing it there. If one looks at the people who like to dispaly the flag, either on their home, or on their truck, and look at their ulterior motive for doing so, it has nothing to do with heritage, but a lot to do with hate, or at the least, speratist attitudes. In the area where I live, I know of six homes that have the flag flying at them. At two of those homes you will find members of the KKK (from back in the 60s), You will find white supemist at three of the homes, and you will find a person that plain and simple hate blacks at the sixth. If those who wish to fly that flag would only learn the true history of teh Civil War, and not that presently taught by the two sides that argue the flag debate, and fly the flag as a rememberance, and not a symbol of hate, then maybe there would not be the problems there are now. At the same time, parents need to stand up to their school boards and demand that teachers, when discussing the Civil War, discuss it in a truthful manner, and not based on their personal bias, and that the textbook writers give a more detailed account of the events which led to war, and get off the fact that the war was over slavery. |
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Date: 8/6/2005 6:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
I agree that the object should not be displayed if it is threatening your own life. That just requires you to think about what is more important. I do understand the desensitizing also...I think though that sometimes the right people claim under our constitution can infringe on others enjoyment of their own rights...the question as I understood it though is why do people get so upset over the flag? I guess my point is it is not the flag upsetting them but more what it represents to that person and after thinking about it I think the experiences some of them have had is what makes them react with such anger. Some people will cry and get upset and then some will lash out at what causes them the pain. Needless to say the symbol is nothing more then a piece of cloth without the conditioning behind it to make us believe the way we do about it....so without being told what it is or understanding its history there would be no feelings connected but once you see and hear and feel then you see it and all of the things come back to you |
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Date: 8/6/2005 10:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 54444
Two Spirits..I should not have said "nutcases" and I apologize for the offence to you on that...I was trying to over-dramatize for the to show that what is offensive depends on which side you view things from. My point is it don't matter if you are offended by another person's icon. They still,have a right to bear it. Just as it don't matter if you don't like what some else says when you don't share their opinion...they still have the right to say it. If you try to take away that right of free speech it will come back and bite you (you know where). My last example. Many Christians would love to ban porno...but if they could do so, they open the door to non-christians banning the bible. So let's just take the pain of being offended and move on. And let others who disagree with us do so...my gosh if flags and words hurt so bad that we lose our own tolerence than our skin is way too thin for this world. I get my feelings hurt at least once or twice a day...I don't let it control my actions. I let it run off like water and keep doing my thing. I only have two people to please: myself and my concept of God. Sorry to anyone else who is offended along the way. And I make the same allowance to others and if I'm offended let it pass. things will never be perfect in an imperfect world. so we need to control the violence and avoid getting our life cluttered with being busy bodies over the small stuff. I completely understand that different people have different opinions about what is small stuff...but that is exactly why the rule of freedom of speech is valid and important. And I am not against folks being activist about things like monuments and flags...it is their right to do so...but I'm sorry, to me it is still small stuff. To answer the question is the flag raciest...of course it is...it represents an ideal that most of us have outgrown. Does anyone really think they can cure racism? Forget it you cannot. 90 % of the people in the world are racists, even though many don't admit it. So what? Somehow life still continues to move on. I think racism is totally childish abnd all the icons are mere toys. I am also aware that all wars have been over racism and religion. So obviously there is no cure except waiting for people to grow up. I havn't the time to wait for that, so I just believe I will go fishing. |
Date: 8/7/2005 9:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 19220
The flag is just a flag. A piece of material with no real meaning within itself. People, society put a meaning to it. Do I find the flag offencive? No but thats just me. The NAACP has beef with it, even it the movie "Dukes of Hazzard". I understand that some people view the flag with distaste, but I don't understand the killing over it.  |
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Date: 8/8/2005 10:03:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62163
Thanks for correcting that velvet, I forgot about that, someone had told me that, but I totally forgot, I was to focused on this story. I live in the middle of the piedmont. But it's starting to calm down over here now. Since the killing the police have really gotten on the case. -Mr.Nascar- |
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Date: 8/8/2005 10:05:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62163
Thank you pyreil, but I do disagree, kkk and the confederate flag are two totally different things. The flag now resembles heritage. - Mr.Nascar- |
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Date: 8/8/2005 2:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Mr. Nascar, the Confeserate battle flag is not really heritage, unless your ancestors fought with Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, such as my great-great grandfather did. There were several variations of the battle flag, according to which army one served with. Honoring heritage is about honoring truth, and if people wish to honor those who served the Confederacy, the should do so with the appropriate flag(s). Unfortunately, history has led people to believe that the battle flag was the official flag of the Confederacy. It was not. It was but one of many flags carried into battle under which soldiers fought and were recognized. |
Date: 8/8/2005 6:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 63172
Saying the Confederate Flag represents racism and slavery is equivelant to saying that all southern whites owned slaves.That is not the case.The Confederate Flag represents the south.The war was actually less about slavery(only the richest owned slaves)and more about the rights of states.The north wanted a strong central government while the south wanted the states to govern themselves independantly.The malcolm x shirts didn't offend me and he actually preached to kill whites.
There was a young man and woman a few years back here in Ky. that were going out to have dinner to celebrate the birth of their two week old twin sons.They had a confederate flag on their truck.A group of teenagers shot into their car and killed the young father.The teens later said they had gone to school with him and if they had known it was him they wouldnt have fired because he was a friend to most of them.All because of a misunderstanding.He was a history nut and not at all racist by all accounts  |
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Date: 8/8/2005 8:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Melissa, the fact remains that the battle flag was not the flag of the Confederacy. Many may see it as so today, but history states otherwise. |
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Date: 8/11/2005 11:59:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62163
I like what author id 63172 said, Not all southern whites had slaves. -Mr.Nascar- |
Date: 8/12/2005 8:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 62599
what few are mentioning is that even if the sign did signify racism, which it doesn't, you STILL DON'T DESERVE TO DIE FOR IT.  |
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Date: 8/12/2005 8:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62163
I Agree autopilot! I mean, it is symbol of heritage now, and yet People are getting shot over who they are. Like the saying rather be hated for who you are than be loved for who your not. - Mr.Nascar- |
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Date: 8/13/2005 1:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
The fact remains that most who see it as a sign of heritage have no idea what that heirtage is, or even the reasons the war was fought. |
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Date: 8/13/2005 10:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62163
Two spirit I have to disagree with you on that. Some do, but some on the other hand do not. But to many people jump to conclusions at the same time. - Mr.Nascar- |
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Date: 8/14/2005 5:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
It has been my experience from talking to those in high school, and even those who are now adult, that the majority have no idea what the Civil War was about, other than slavery. They have no idea of the state's rights issue, little knowledge of the Missouri Compromise, little if any knowledge of the economic situations at the time in the north and the south or the taxes paid by southerners to have their cotton shippped and sold in the north, or even of the actions of Lincoln to undermine the work of Congress for a peacable solution and force war to the forefront. The schools today do not teach all that, and if they do, they only touch on it, and do not give the details, especially the details of Lincoln's unconstituional actions. |
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Date: 8/14/2005 9:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62163
Ok, two spirit I can agree with you on that. Last year my techer just touched on it and moved on. But she did explain that the flag was not meant to be racist or something like that. But what she did touch on, everyone else was to stubborn and stood there and argued with her, and wouldn't bleleive hwat she said. Needless to say they failed the pop quiz. - Mr.Nascar- |
Date: 8/18/2005 10:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
I'm not from the south, but if you're proud of it, then do whatever quivers your liver, I guess. I'm sorry about your friend, BTW. That was uncalled for...  |
Date: 7/11/2009 3:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 42945
I'm sorry that happened to your friend Nascar...it's terrible...  |
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Date: 7/11/2009 6:16:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62163
Aww it's alright, he's in a better place that ain't so screwed up like this one. Things happen, we move on, and we learn. |
