Date: 3/17/2005 8:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 63077
Well, since you're placing truck in a Moore film, no. They have no obligation whatsoever. But you see, that's the trouble with that whole...what do they call that? Oh yes. Free market. USMC0705  |
Date: 3/17/2005 8:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Just because the discussion was brought on by a Michael Moore film does not make the idea of it any less important.  |
Date: 3/17/2005 9:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 47162
mm i'm conservative here.....it's a free market....and those displaced workers live in a free market society where they can start their own business......or get a new job.......i would be for gov't giving tax breaks if they stayed.........or for the gov't giing incentives to stay......  |
Date: 3/17/2005 9:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 3263
I think it should be stopped. This is going to sound selfish, but we have enough of our own people (meaning in the US) who need jobs. I heard the other day that McDonalds is considering outsourcing; so when you give someone your order you're really calling a call center. That's wild. And just..wow.  |
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Date: 3/17/2005 9:35:00 PM ( Admin )
The only way to stop the outsourceing is to stop buying the junk they are building outside of the county. |
Date: 3/18/2005 1:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 62881
The problem with that,Admin is that it is almost impossible to find any consumer products that are made in the USA. It has gotten to the point that my son will look at a label and say "UH-OH" then tell me where it was made. Even American made Levi's are made in Mexico now....Only corporate offices remain in the U.S.  |
Date: 3/18/2005 1:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 58308
I agree with Admin.  |
Date: 3/18/2005 4:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 30747
Didn't see the movie. Secondly, no business would have to outsource if the government didn't make it so difficult for them to stay. I was a book keeper for 3 years until recently for a small corporation and know first hand the sky rocketing taxes and impossible increase in insurance made it extememly hard to stay in the black. I saw these things triple in those three years. If government wants to keep these companys employing Americans they better start being realistic about these things and not so greedy. I understand why corporations have to outsource and I believe it's as heartbreaking and frustrating for them as for the people they employed but they can't run a business without making a profit and a profit can't be found under the current governmental conditions.
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Date: 3/18/2005 5:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 58308
And totally agree with SoulDrifter. |
Date: 3/18/2005 6:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 62876
I agree with Souldrifter and Admin.  |
Date: 3/18/2005 8:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Go to the top of the page and check out the debate on lawsuits and pain and suffering damages. Because that is a major reason for corporate outsourcing. The American worker has priced themselves out of the market while they continue to demand lower prices and shop at places like Walmart that will not pay for quality domestic goods. Typical benifit costs (insurance, health care, workers comp) have been rising an average of 8-10% per year. Typical benifit load for an American worker has now exceeded 50% of their hourly rate. Say you make $16 an hour, your employer is paying an additional $8 an hour for you and that will increase another 10% this year, a raise you never see but they pay regardless.  |
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Date: 3/18/2005 8:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
It's not about greed, it's about survival. I know that the company I work for posted it's lowest profit margin in 15 years in 04 and we are doing much better than most. |
Date: 3/18/2005 10:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 53284
This is a complex issue and needs to be addressed by congress. Currently we have a huge trade deficit that in my opinion threatens the stability of our currency. Nations that used to use the dollar as a reference are switching to the EURO because it is more stable. We live in a country that used to produce the best products in the world. Made in America was a sign of the highest and best quality in a product. That is no longer the case. We no longer have much in the way of manufacturing capacity. We used to be the best and brightest when it came to computers and electronics. Currently India graduates more computer engineers than we do. It costs $60,000-$90,000 dollars per year to hire an American computer programmer. It costs $6,000 to hire a programmer from India to do the same thing. So we are losing our share of the programming market to lower priced programmers from India. I work with a couple of programmers from India,(they have become US citizens) and they are top notch. What can be done? I think that congress needs to impose an immediate tariff on goods imported from China. This will help a little in the manufacturing arena and would help with our trade deficit. That would also strengthen the dollar on the world market. The immediate effect would be higher prices on goods that we need to purchase. It's a tough situation but some action is needed.  |
Date: 3/18/2005 10:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
I agree with BCAR and USMC0705, outsourcing happens because people want more and more to do less and less.  |
Date: 3/18/2005 2:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
i think that outsourcing companies should have to pay higher taxes.  |
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Date: 3/19/2005 8:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 63077
Admin's right, and Jestr's brings up a good idea, sort of like a protective tariff. To the comment made that the government makes it too hard to survive because of taxes and insurance and stuff, allow me to point out that most of those policies are only in place thanks to the Progressive movement. Blasted Progressives! What good did they ever do...oh, wait... USMC0705 |
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Date: 3/19/2005 8:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
progressive movement aided in getting rid alot of indecencies and unethical business practices |
Date: 3/19/2005 8:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 33925
I work for a company that is outsourcing..meaning its an American company and I am in Canada. I think part of it is like some said..they are taxed up the ying yang so they NEED to oursource to at least make some sort of a profit. Do I have a problem with it? Heck no! If it werent allowed I would be out of a job.  |
Date: 3/19/2005 12:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 62599
First answer: Yes. I have a bias against micheal moore but some of the stuff he says makes sense. Second answer: No. Third Answer: No.  |
Date: 3/20/2005 2:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
In my personal experience, I see agree and disagree. This is a sticky situation. I heard on NPR that outsourcing as a whole is not hurting the country as a whole, because we ourselves have many, many employees working here, in the US, for foreign companies, which have done the exact same thing. They outsourced. I'm working for one. That's where I disagree. In the end, NPR says, it all balances out in the big picture. But. I work for a company that serves an internationally famous chocolate company. I also live near the town where this company started and where the factories are. Just last year, the stock holders wanted to sell the company to a foreign business, which would have nearly destroyed this town. All for the lining of their own pockets. This would have been morally wrong and would have changed the dynamics of many local lives for the worst. Luckily, people stepped in and stopped the sale. This is where I agree with you in that it is wrong. There are many levels to this issue to explore. My final say? Yes and no for now. lol.  |
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Date: 3/20/2005 8:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 63077
Gypsyhawk, to challenge the morals of people freely acting in a free market is to challenge the principles of capitalism, a la Moore. USMC0705 |
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Date: 3/21/2005 9:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 55967
Actually, instead of seeing myself as challenging the principles of capitalism, I see the locals utilizing principles of capitalism that the stock holders didn't count on. They were exercising their own right under capitalism, and the locals were not rolling over and playing dead; they were exercising their own rights to challenge the big guys and pursue their own capitalistic interests, although much smaller. So I guess that umbrella quote of Moore's is too broad. |
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Date: 3/21/2005 1:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
they have to outsource to get any sort of profit? BUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA tax most of these companies all you want and they'll still be making enough money to line everyones pocket 3 times over. i doubt nike would be hurt that bad. |
Date: 3/21/2005 8:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 28623
havent seen the movie..they should care, but they don't.  |
