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Date: 1/13/2005 11:18:00 PM From Authorid: 53836 great and informative post Rock on |
Date: 1/13/2005 11:19:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 thanxies ! |
Date: 1/13/2005 11:49:00 PM From Authorid: 34912 At it's root, the 'New Age' is the shift from the age of Pisces to Aquarius in the astroligical cosmic, never ending cycle of ages regenerating every 2000 years. The movement began with the paranormal experiences of Helena Blavatsky, Aliester Crowley, and other predominant spiritualists between the 19th and 20th century. In the past 150 years, the interest in spiritism has increased in unprecedented measures. Something is going on, but I believe it is a movement driven be the Enemy to permeate the culture with a massive spirtual deception as the time draws near to the return of Christ. |
Date: 1/14/2005 12:09:00 AM From Authorid: 16671 Too late for me, I'll reply tomorrow. |
Date: 1/14/2005 12:23:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 Pacfic soul I dont fully agree although it did technically begin in the late 1800's (victorian era) truly (interests in mysticisim and oh god cant spell the word: seances !) However I dont think theres any deception about it I dont see how meditating, yoga, holistic (well minus if you dont take real medicine) healing, and ecology are anti Christian or deceptive or harmful even! God Im tired forgive me guys I'll post more tomorrow |
Date: 1/14/2005 1:08:00 AM From Authorid: 59418 GREAT post..Thanks for posting this Kaja....Keep smiling |
Date: 1/14/2005 4:03:00 AM From Authorid: 54461 Okay, I noticed you said that my post was actually wrong. No, it was the truth, and I will say that until I cant say it no more. You are all minuplated by Satans lies when u listen to Spirits of the Dead, and thats what the bible says. I pray that u wake up. I am taking a break from USM for now, because I dont think I am wanted here right now. Alot of you seem mad at me for what I post. I am sorry for that, please forgive me, as I know everyone else posts what they want. But The New Age is an Age without the Christian God. Thats whats happening. And you all cannot see that who practise this faith. The bible has the answers. Its filled with the same things. How do you explain how God would know before it even happened that this would get out of hand more than it use to. It has been, and thats the truth. I wish you all well. God bless you all. |
Date: 1/14/2005 5:53:00 AM From Authorid: 52141 hmmm.. interesting... hehe i don't know what to believe in anymore.. pretty sad but true :/ goodluck to you great post full of thought |
Date: 1/14/2005 5:59:00 AM From Authorid: 62118 KJ*52, why does your "truth" rely on logical fallacies? -l-. "No, it was the truth" "The bible has the answers" come on, you can do better than that. |
Date: 1/14/2005 8:09:00 AM From Authorid: 48809 A great post Queen! I agree with what you are saying. Some who have no idea what the New Age Movement is about are always off and running against it,when they couldn't tell you the first thing about it! If it isn't in the Bible , then it couldn't possibly be true... what nonsense! I have always wondered what those who think this way , find wrong with people trying to improve themselves ? The people who join this movement are seeking on a higher plane of thought ... there are others who would do well to follow their example! |
Date: 1/14/2005 8:12:00 AM From Authorid: 48809 I should have said they are seeking a higher plane of thought. |
Date: 1/14/2005 8:13:00 AM From Authorid: 34912 I agree with you Kaja. I'm a Christian and I believe in holistic healing, ecology meditation (I call it quiet time with God), etc... In fact, I have a certification in massage therapy, I'm a vegan vegetarian, and I believe that hurting the earth is wrong (make me an environmentalist, I guess). The deception I see with the new age movement is that it denys the ONE creator God. It denys the depravity and sin nature in humanity and the need to be reconciled to God. It denys the identity of Christ and the power of His blood to stand in the place of our own shortcomings. The religious and philosophical premises of the New Age is like arsenic sprinkled over a table of good food. Holistic healing is good. So is ecology and meditation. It's just that you don't need to philisophical foundations of the New Age to beleive in these things. God is the true originator of these things. He gaves us the means within the natural world for holistic health, He calls us to meditate regularly (Psalm 46:10; Psalm 119:48 ; Psalm 119:48), and He even gave us an entire day each week to comemorate His creation (the Seventh-day Sabbath - Genesis 2)and the importants of good ecology. It's the philosophical tenats associated with the New Age that I think robs of us of of a truley spiritual connection with the God of the Universe. The philosophies of the New Age are a deception to separate us from God. It's poison spinkled over good stuff. |
Date: 1/14/2005 8:20:00 AM From Authorid: 34912 By the way, this is a great post, Kaja. I know exactly what you mean when you talk about the misconceptions that many people have of "The New Age" and I think you clarified things here significantly. Keep on thinking outside the box! God Bless |
Date: 1/14/2005 8:48:00 AM From Authorid: 34912 sheesh... I need a spell-checker...lol |
Date: 1/14/2005 9:23:00 AM From Authorid: 54461 Queen, I love u dearly, but I disagree with u, alot of people have no idea what its like to know Jesus. They think they can get answers from spirits of the dead? What foolishness.. No, because u cant see the Spirit, and dont forget, Satan himself can transfer himself into a Angel of Light. My mind keeps asking why people try to go against the divine word of God. But I guess I will never know. Seeking spirits advice isint a good thing. Why would u do something the bible warns us about? It already knew this would happen, so why go against it if you truly believe in God? |
Date: 1/14/2005 9:36:00 AM From Authorid: 62118 My mind keeps asking why some people continue to peddle the same worn out arguements, when this isn't in the debate section. |
Date: 1/14/2005 9:45:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 Okay Pacfic Soul I think I follow. So you mean to seek something spiritual in a religion that may not be Jesus is deceptive? If Im wrong PLEASE correct me! KJ thats not anything at all...Im sorry you feel that way actually I love having you hear because its been quite enlightening and entertaining. I just seen a lot of uninformed people yesterday and I felt a need to post this. Honestly this has NOTHING to do with Christianity or the Bible so I dont see how you can say Im blinded. Pacfic Soul is a good example . Also why do you keep restating about Spirits of the dead? I mentioned that in the VICTIORIAN AGE thats how a lot of this started up BUT 'New Age' itself anymore has nothing really to do with 'spirits of the dead'. Sure people can still do seances but I dont find the 'new agey'...in fact everything I defined AS New Age up there has nothing to do with spirits of the dead so Im a bit confused...How does yoga, meditation, holistic healing, etc deal with that? Also I want to apologize I wrote this at 3am so if I came off a tad 'offensive' I didnt mean to, I just felt it was an urgent post and my censors probably werent all working then ! But thanks for the replies ! |
Date: 1/14/2005 10:06:00 AM From Authorid: 34912 Kaja, I believe what Jesus said in John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me". I hope that clarifies things. |
Date: 1/14/2005 10:10:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 Okay I *think* I got it then. Well I dont fully agree to say that new age is 'bad' because of the spiritual seeking part. I know (from what the Christians have told me in the past days LOL) that you guys think not Jesus/Christian=Satan BUT wouldn't seeking ways to enhance your faith to Jesus be fine? I dont see how knowledge is harmful. I really admire people who (even if they already have one) research other religions and beliefs just so they can know all they can and see how they feel about it. I try to do that but Ive been lax lately. Honestly I think this quote 'new age' would be great for Christians: minus spiritual seeking their ALL non 'find a new religion' and Spiritual seeking doesnt have to mean that either...seems like you already did what I said though so your the perfect example . I restate: New Age IS NOT a religion and DOES NOT require you practice a certain faith to participate. |
Date: 1/14/2005 10:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
In a word, the 'New Age' is a political/religious movement which seeks to unite the world under the guidance of non-human spirits, in the process singling out the Jewish people and Judaism for destruction. It is so popular that it is quickly becoming the standard for social, political and religious acceptability. It is consciously supported by a surprising number of prominent and grassroots groups (although not all are aware of the anti-Semitism), and its teachings are being unknowingly absorbed by many more. For these reasons, it is urgent that we be informed as to their platform. There is a surprising number of people applauding the 'New World Order', 'the Age of Aquarius', or the 'ascended masters', who are woefully uninformed as to where all this is leading. This may be because they have chosen to back one NA issue without checking its foundations, or because they haven't had access to a wide enough range of NA sources. It is likely that many such NA supporters would appreciate knowing the whole truth about their "enlightenment". 'New Age Directories' have been on sale since the early 1970s, and mushroomed in 1975 when the movement 'received transmissions' from 'the ascended masters' (their spirit guides) to go public. One such early directory ('International New Consciousness Directory', 'New Age Media', 1979) contained 10,000 groups (excluding branches) in North America alone. New Age "Bibles" (books studied and meticulously applied) include: 'Revelation: the Birth of a New Age' (Spangler) [describing the 'Luciferic initiation' as a NA requirement], 'The Open Conspiracy, Blueprints for a World Revolution' (Wells), 'The Armageddon Script' (LeMesurier) [plans to stage a "second coming of Christ" to satisfy Christian expectations]. plus a whole list of others.NA Religion is based on a blend of practically every religious and occult philosophy found in the world except Torah-based Judaism and early (pre-Constantine, pre-gnostic) Christianity. I'll be back with more later. Have to run for now. So please dont try to get us to buy your statement that its NOT a religion. |
Date: 1/14/2005 10:21:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 Firstborn that is the MOST dribble Ive ever heard. I'll reply later, I need to go eat breakfast LOL u guys have kept me up to long this morning ! |
Date: 1/14/2005 10:50:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
Alrighty Im back...wow where to even begin. For one let me guess: your source is a Christian if not right winged/evangelical site? I used the DICTIONARY and I think thats about as non partisan as you can get. Where in the world did this 'anti semietic' thing come from? Honestly is there even a source for that claim (I mean in wherever you got ur info do they have a place thats not right winged to prove it?) Again New Age has nothing to do with a particular religion, and since its NOT a religion Im trying to comphrend something that doesnt speak of religion is anti Jewish...NOTHING about that makes sense! Nothing! Yoga is from Hindu, Meditation is from a variety of religions (Pacfic soul I hope Im quoting u right but even Christianity), holistic healing has always been around, and respect for earth has again been around...I see NOTHING anti semetic in that...honestly of all the silly things I expected to see posted that wasnt one of them ! The only other 'decent not really biased' site I could find was this: http://www.religioustolerance.org/newage.htm and it again dismisses most of your claims. I think Im gonna add it to my post |
Date: 1/14/2005 11:26:00 AM From Authorid: 36704 FB you actually contradicted yourself and proved Kaja's point all in your comment. New Age is a movement not a religion. New Age does not have a set of beliefs unlike a religion such as Christianity where it is based upon the Bible. You can be a member of any religion and still embrace New Age ideas. It is a movement, but not a religion. Just because you're Christian doesn't make you Catholic even though Catholicism is a branch of Christianity. Someone who practices New Age such as yoga, meditation, holistic healing can still be a Christian. They can be any religion because New Age is not a religion. |
Date: 1/14/2005 11:28:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 *hugs base* thank you! LOL sometimes I feel like Im talking to a brick wall but that doesnt mean Im going to agree when its not true LOL! |
Date: 1/14/2005 1:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 30742
Base and Crazy Queen I see your point, I agree totally with you that New Age is so broad it would not suffice to call it a religion. I don't like it when my Faith is termed as a religion either. Jesus taught that God is looking for worshipers who worship in Truth and in Spirit. I don't attend a church or follow any organized church denomination. I just try to follow the example Christ gave in the Bible as to follow and live my life. I believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God, and yes, I have looked into other "religions and holy books". PacificSoul gave the verse that I will NEVER deny. Jesus Christ is the truth and the life and the only way to the Father. Back in the day I would have classified myself as a wiccian, or new ager (when it wasn't cool), my mothers side is native american ( and Hispanic) . I was raised to contact the spirits for answers, I also was into black magick ( I loved voodoo)Not anymore, so don't worry, I won't get a vodoo doll out today. I converted to Christ after I was married. At home by myself,not at a church. I read just a few verse from the 1 chapter of the Gospel of John.. I get just as frustrated as you do, when people try to place my spirituality into their own set of "sterotype". Here is an excellent link I think we can all agree on that there are no definitions on religion or spirituality that are totally satisfiying. http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_defn.htm |
Date: 1/14/2005 1:21:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 thank you Ms Morality I think thats a wonderful story ! I'm glad you've found something you believe in . LOL just for the record this may come as insane but Im not really a big fanatic of 'new age'. Im Wiccan, Im spiritual, I do enjoy things like aromatherapy and meditation but eh Im not a fan of the whole new age thing I just dont like seeing things defined wrong... |
Date: 1/14/2005 6:27:00 PM From Authorid: 34912 Kaja, I think what we emphasizing different meanings of the New Age. It is a broad term. I listen to New Age music, but it's mostly jsut about nature. The New Age I'm talking about is that associated with the astroligical shift from the age of Pisces to Aquarius. This is where the term orginated. On the philosophical end of it, there are a lot of religious tenets associated with the New Age thing that flatly deny the identity of Christ and the validity of His word. This is the part that I disagree with and I can't be silent when I know better. I love Christ jealously and passionatley. The more I know Him, the more I love Him. The closer I come to Him , the more I understand. As I said before, the things you're talking about such as holistic healing, meditation, and ecological consciousness are not thigns I find to be opposed to Christianity. In fact, it's not even right to associate them exclusively with the New Age. The truth is that the first people to be thinking, writing, and teaching about those very things were Christians. In the 19th century, the holistic health movement was started by Christian thinkers such as Dio Lewis, John Harvey Kellogg, James Caleb Jackson, and Jethro Kloss. Jethro Kloss, who wrote a book called "Back to Eden" (1939), is still one of the most prominent herbal and soyfood inovators of all time. To me, those things are not really "New Age". IF they are, then they were ripped off from Christian thinkers. |
Date: 1/14/2005 7:46:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 New age didnt claim to CREATE those things, but they were part of the moment thats why I mention them. As I said in a post above that many of the practices come from various religions and such. I disagree that there are things that deny Christ here spiritually. Thats almost like saying (and u didnt I dont wanna twist your words) 'knowledge is anti Christian...' |
Date: 1/14/2005 9:18:00 PM From Authorid: 34912 Kaja...I'm having a hard time following. How have I suggested that knowlege is anti-Christian through my opinions about the New Age? I've been very specific about what I'm referring to when I speak of the what part of the New Age I'm opposed to. I beginning to think that I know more about the New Age movement than you do and yet I am somehow "anti-knowlege" because I'm a Christian? |
Date: 1/14/2005 10:03:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 No I said you didnt say that but I said that almsot seems to be a hidden reason by not just you but other Christians as well (I cant say any other religions cuz well they havent posted !) I know what part your opposed to and I respect that but I was trying to say to be against the spiritual exploring part because it is somehow 'anti Christian' is just odd to me. Im not going to argue it though, that is how u guy see it but at least you recognize 'New age' isn't a religion itself... |
Date: 1/15/2005 2:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Kaja, some call it a religion simply because their goal is to make a one world religion and if you not part of that, your dead. One world order and the new age agenda are one in the same. The New Age Religion is a bi-product of Eastern Religions. See Zainism, Sikhism, Hinduism, and Buddhism.The majority of New Agers believe that all religious worship points to the same source. New Agers believe in reincarnation. Reincarnation is believed to be a cycle of rebirth in which if someone dies with more bad karma than good then hey are reborn a lower life form and if someone dies with more good karma than bad then they will become a higher life form or will be permitted to Heaven-like state. New Age followers also look to gurus (New Age Leaders) for guidance and support. http://www.essortment.com/in/Religion.New.Age/ secular site that talks about new age RELIGION and on this search it list many place to go to learn about new age religion. So if its not a religion, why are so many people and web sites stating that it is? The new age religion is trying to turn this world in to a one world order. If you would take the time to study this out you would see. But seeing as you say all this is dribble, then I guess your close mnded and do not wish to learn or gain knowledge. Some would rather stick their head in the sand, then learn something I guess. Feel free to believe or understand things the way you wish. I see no further point in explaining this to you.good day. |
Date: 1/15/2005 2:34:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
Firstborn some of the practices (and I said that earlier) come from those religions YES but its not a REQUIREMENT when studying spirituality. Also your wrong about reincarnation: it varies from religion to religion and since new age ISNT a religion theres no set ways to believe so you can take it how you please. Like Hinduisim believes in the form of reincarnation you described while many pagans believe in reincarnation differently: we incarnate to learn lessons and then when we're done we go to 'heaven' or can help others. There's more to it I could go on and on about various beliefs of reincarnation but no point. I went to your site and I seen NOTHING to say 'this is a religion' other then it was in the religious catagory. Thats a general term you see a lot. People who are to danged lazy to give each religion its own section generally classify religions that enjoy new age activities (eastern and pagan as u said) as 'new age'. Go to Barnes and Nobles and you'll find a new age section, most of the books will be on Paganisim and magick and that sort. There's also books on holistic healing, yoga, meditation, divination, reincarnation, various beliefs, etc... Its STILL NOT a religion! To quote dictionary.com: Religion: Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship. The life or condition of a person in a religious order. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion New Age fits NONE of those. Except the last one which I could say 'I study music religiously'...which doesnt make it a religion LOL! Im not sticking my head in the sand LOL I found it odd because it seems the Christians here who have argued that it IS a religion seem to have their heads in the sand. They want to hear the doomsday lies apparently...(by that I mean that the new age is a religion set to take over the world lalala...) Oh one last note on that website go to http://www.essortment.com/in/Religion.Eastern/index.htm Last time I check 'eastern' wasn't a religion either... |
Date: 1/16/2005 12:08:00 AM From Authorid: 34912 Firstborn... you know I luv yqa, but I have to say that I think you are totally wrong. It's not right to say that the "New Age" is a religion. It might be more valid to say that it's a way of thinking, but that's about as far as we can go in generalizing the "New Age". The issue I have with the "New Age" is the consistent tendency among those who have developed the ideas and movement of the "New Age" to deny the identiy of the Messiah and the supremacy of His word. |
Date: 1/16/2005 8:32:00 AM From Authorid: 16671 Tell ya what you can believe what you wish but anyone here can type in New AGE religion and many many sites come up. And kaja you can lalala all you want but new age is going to bring in the one world order, and a one world religion and there will come a time when you will see just how very wrong you are. But God knows I cant get through to you so no sense in trying. Have a good day. |
Date: 1/16/2005 10:12:00 AM From Authorid: 34912 Firstborn... Fundamentally, you are right. I'm just trying to point out that it's no apporopriate to call the "New Age" a religion. It's true that perhaps a set of religions have been associated with the "New Age", but the New Age is not really a religion itself. It's a type of movement. That's different than a religion. The Protestant Reformation wasn't a religion. The Age of Enlightment wasn't a religion. The Temperence Movement wasn't a religion. The New Age falls into a similar category. I agree that the New Age as a movemement has fundamentally opened the Western world to a series religions and beliefs that persistently oppose the validity of the Inspired Word of God and exclusive Mastery of Yahweh over the Universe. A good comparison is the Age of Enligtenment which was a movement that ocurred in 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries. While it may have brought about some good things such as the encouragement of free thought, democratic ideals, human integrity, and social responsibility, the Enlightment also brought with it a disregard towards Word of God, defiance towards the Messiah, denial of the Ressurrection, and mockery towards the soon return the Savior. The New Age is very similar. While it has many good things to offer, there are many aspects of the moevement that discrourage us from the very thing we need which is a relationship with the One true God of the universe. |
Date: 1/16/2005 10:38:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 Thank you Pacific Soul. For the most part (less that 'anti god' part LOL but lets not go in circles again LOL!) I agree. Firstborn I just typed new age religion into google and here is what I got (as suspected): 5 'new age but its not a religion and this is what it is' sites and 5 right winged conspiracy sites (LOL one literally had the word 'conspiracy' in its name !) The only 'proof' you can give me of it being a religion is a site directory and right winged sites, you have no actual proof that there is a new age religion, not just a new age movement. I've given you dictionary.com, religioustolerance.org, I dont know what more you want from me because apparently your the one going 'lalala'. According to what the sites I see say they say they believe in the age of aquarius which you can relate to a 'new world order'. They can believe it all they want but not all people who partake in the new age movement (I like that word) do. Eh I personally dont know how it should go that way but Im doubting I'll have to deal with it in this life ! Also whatever happened to your 'anti semetisim' claim? Im sorry there's just to many wholes. My eyes are open, and on this matter of 'new age' your eyes or not (I dont want to say they never are that would be wrong *hugs*) |
Date: 1/16/2005 5:39:00 PM From Authorid: 16671 Then perhaps you better take this part out of your post if its not a religion?""But the movement has become established and become a stable, major force in North American religion during the past generation."""Now good day.LOL |
Date: 1/16/2005 5:52:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 Nice way to twist the words. To quote: "But the movement has become established and become a stable, major force in North American religion during the past generation." its a MAJOR FORCE in NORTH AMERICAN RELIGION. Its a FORCE *IN* RELIGION not *A* religion... |
Date: 1/16/2005 6:04:00 PM From Authorid: 34912 I'm still wondering what 'religion' it has become a force in? This post is becoming a battle of semantics. |
Date: 1/16/2005 6:34:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15675 I think Pacific soul it meant that the ideals of new age (meditation, yoga, holistic healing, etc) have been having influences on some of the religions in the US. Yoga is very popular and so is meditation. Honestly I didnt write it so I dont know what they were intending to show... |
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