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Date: 10/4/2000 3:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 10798
Thank you, Norman. This is really, really good. Something people need to read...and understand. Songbird  |
Date: 10/4/2000 4:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 10146
Norman this is great for many eyes to see, because many have been told and led to believe that today because we live in the New Testement time period that no longer does the Old testement Applie. That is truly false. As you say, and as the Bible say's "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16. Those who try to understand the Bible without the Old Testement, are missing so many blessings. To me it would seem like,(if it were possible, but it Ain't) Finding a way to Heavan with 1/2 a Jesus. Love Complete in Christ name |
Date: 10/4/2000 5:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 11211
Norman, I really enjoyed this! I hope everyone will read it. It should clear up some questions, I have seen some people asking. You done a great job presenting this! Love and Prayers. Whitedove  |
Date: 10/4/2000 6:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 15033
Thank you, I love stories about Jesus, especially knowing he is alive today...THUNDERHEAD  |
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Date: 10/4/2000 6:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 13354
Dear Norman, Thank you for this post and keep up the good work. We need to pray for those who are spiritually blinded by satan. We need to try not to be mad at the person who is blinded but the one who blinds them - satan. Love, Pam  |
Date: 10/4/2000 8:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 11528
Hi Norman, Could You help me to understand something. I do not wish to fight or argue but merely to discuss and understand. You say that the Bible does not contradict, but in Matthew 27:5 it says,,, So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. In Acts 1:18 it says,,, With the reward he got for his wickedness Judas bought a field. There he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. So did he throw the reward money into the temple or did he keep the reward money and go and buy a field where he took a fall.  |
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Date: 10/4/2000 10:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 13354
Dear Enki, If you will read further in Matthew, it tell how the chief priest said it wasn't lawful for this money he threw down to be put into the treasure. They took Judas money and bought the field. The field was bought with Judas' money. He hanged himself but that's all the details it gives here. Did you wonder what else may have happened when he hanged himself? Who knows, maybe he fell from a high tree after the rope broke. If you want to prove the Bible wrong. God will give YOU enough rope to hang yourself too, so to speak. Did you know that this very thing that happened was prophesied hundreds of years ago by one of the prophets before Jesus or Judas was even born?? Did you know that this prophesy specifically mentions the thirty peices of silver as the price and also them being cast into the temple and the field, the potters field being bought with them?? I'm not trying to be unkind to you. I just pray that your blindness will be taken away. There has been many things that I haven't understood in the Bible. There has been things that have certainly seemed like errors of contradictions. I have hung in there though and have prayed for the answer to be revealed. Sometimes I think God test us to see if our faith will remain strong in Him. Later, it seemed when I least expected it, scripture unfolded to me like a new butterfly first opening it's wings. I couldn't believe I missed the meaning once I saw it. The Bible is to be taken as a whole. Some scriptures SEEM not to go along with the theme but if you will hang in there, it WILL come to light. There are MANY hidden truths that are in scripture. The Bible is 3 dimentional. The hardest demention, we are just now learning to understand. It's a mathematical dimention which is really tough. For a religion that has no true basis and for a book that isn't real, it has sure endured the test of time. There have been who knows how many who have given their lives because of their belief in Christianity, and still are giving their lives. Love, Pam |
Date: 10/4/2000 10:38:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9544
Enki, Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus gave back the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders because he realized what he did was an horrible act. Afterwards he killed himself because of his conscience. The chief priests took the 30 pieces of silver back and with it they purchased what they called a potter's field which was used to bury strangers in because it was unlawful for them to put that money back into the treasury due to why that money was used in the first place. Please read Matthew chapter 27 verses 3 through 10. The book of Zechariah in the Old Testament as well as the book of Psalms foretells of this event in the following manner:"And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD." Zechariah 11:12-13. This prophecy was foretold to Zechariah by the Lord as to how much He was going to be sold for by one of His disciples to be betrayed which was fulfilled.  |
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Date: 10/4/2000 12:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
Thank You Pam, Thank You QPM, So then it wasnt Judas who bought the field as stated in Acts 1:18. Acts 1:18 is very clear. It states " With the reward He got for His wickedness, Judas bought a field. Thank You for helping to show that this is an outright lie in the bible. |
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Date: 10/4/2000 12:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 13354
Enki, I have no more to say to you about this. You have blasphemed God's Holy word!! You know better but you have chosen to do this. May God have mercy on your soul. |
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Date: 10/4/2000 12:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
Hi Pam, Blasphemy,,, to speak irreverantly of pious things. Pam, Only one of those scriptures caan be true. You showed me using scripture who actually bought the field. So the statement that Judas bought the field is a lie. Therefore the Bible contains a lie. Now since God cant lie, then the Bible isnt the word of God. |
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Date: 10/4/2000 2:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9544
Enki lets back up some ok? The Holy Scriptures isn't a lie. You misunderstood the chain of events regarding the 30 pieces of silver. That is why I pointed out the verses to you so you can see for yourself. If you have a bible please go ahead and open it to the book, chapter, and verses I've pointed out. Please don't jump the gun here. Sit down whenever you get a chance and check out the verses for yourself and thats all I'm asking you to do. |
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Date: 10/4/2000 2:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
QPM, In Matthew the story says that Judas returned the money and that the High priests took the money and that they bought the field. In Acts the story says that Judas took the money and bought the field. Now one of those stories is wrong and LYING. Case closed. |
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Date: 10/4/2000 3:33:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9544
Enki Acts 1:18 doesn't say Judas bought the field it says:"Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." That verse doesn't mention anything about Judas at all. |
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Date: 10/4/2000 4:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
QPM In my bible it says Judas but even if it originally said "now this man" they are still talking about Judas. End of discussion. |
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Date: 10/4/2000 4:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
Enki, Neither verse, or text ia a lie. I will Try, to give you an example to prove to you it is not. I said I will "TRY"! But it seems that you are deliberatly trying to find ways to make Gods Holy Word out to be a lie. But you can't , nor never will. Only in your own Heart can you deny it as Truth. Now here is a Worldly Example, one in which You "MIGHT" (I said might!) understand. Lets say that you earned Some money,that no one could accept because of a certain law that prevented it. You had no place to be burried,or no one to put you away, or claim the expence for burying you . Remember there is a Law that will not allow anyone to Claim the Cash that you earned! So the Law, would allow, the money to be used to purchase a place to bury you in. The money was more than enough to bury you alone. So the law bought a field with "YOUR MONEY" money that you earned! So the feild was bought in your honor where other wanderers who had no home or family could be burried with you. You yourself, did not personaly buy the feild but it was concidered to all that would be burried there that is was purchased with your own money. Therfore you can claim the credit for the feild being bought. It was your blood money that made it possible. Can you not understand the Picture? THe law made you claim your earnings. Even in death it was still concidered yours which no other man, could claim without breaking the law. So the money was used in his honor. He burried himself!!! Both places in the Bible is correct! Enki, don't be like your brother Judas Iscariot, and betray Jesus. He is the only family, that will claim you. Please choose to be burried with Him (Jesus). Dont choose the feild, that was purchased for the Wanderer that has no family. In Christ Name I Imploy you. |
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Date: 10/4/2000 6:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
Haddam, I am so sorry for You. Obviously You do not want to see the truth and now You are twisting things to deny the truth. Read the stories then tell me. Did Judas throw the money in the temple and the high priests buy the field as reported in Matthew OR Did judas take the money and buy the field as reported in Acts. The answer is obvious. I am sorry if You cannot accept this glaring differance. |
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Date: 10/5/2000 8:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 12835
Haadam, you explained it very well. Maybe Enki's time is not now. Enki, it is obvious you do not want us to change your views, people were just trying to explain to you our interpretation. If you can not see or do not want to see or what ever it is that you feel, please do not lash out at them as they do this in kindness. You should not feel sorry for Haadam or anyone of the others. Let me put something to you in a way you might understand. A man named Jim pays a man named Bill to kill an associate whom he dislikes. Now, when they are caught, Jim is punished for the murder. He didn't pull the trigger did he ? But he did indeed kill this man. In 100 years when they read the story about this, it will say Jim killed his associate, but Bill really did the work. Same thing, Judas paid for the land, but the priest really did the work. Does this make any sense ? St. Pete  |
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Date: 10/5/2000 2:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
St. Pete, I appreciate Your effort to defend this differance in the bible and I understand what You are trying to say but the the bible says, and I will repeat it again, In Matthew it says Judas threw the money into the temple and went and hung himself and that the High priests decided to buy the field. In Acts it says Judas kept the money , went and bought a field and fell headlong. Now that is a very crystal clear discrepency and dont use lawyer double talk to twist things around so it fits. Please, read it Yourself, compare the two different stories. I reread Your story once again just to make sure I wasnt missing something. Now there are two things here. What happenned to the money and who bought the field. Sorry but You my friend are wrong and You cant admit it. The bible has an error but You cannot admit it because it goes against everything You believe. Actually this story has three discrepancies in it because if Judas hung himself and his body rotted and fell out of the rope or even if the rope broke his feet would have hit the ground first not his head. He fell headlong,, in case You dont understand what I'm talking about as regarding the third discrepancy. |
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Date: 10/5/2000 3:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 12835
Ok Enki how about we agree to disagree at this point ? St. Pete |
| Date: 10/20/2000 5:06:00 PM Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the Law, but to Fulfill it! Jesus Christ IS THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH! |
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