Date: 12/9/2004 12:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 23959
AMEN!!!  |
Date: 12/9/2004 12:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
LOL @ Forced Religion (rolls eyes)  |
Date: 12/9/2004 1:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 62146
this is an issue that has many good points from both sides you just got to sit down and work somthing out instead of fighting to see who is going to be number one. because the point of winny is to gain somthing but in fighting in this day and age you lose alot just to prove a point, that is a downer if you ask me so why fight?  |
Date: 12/9/2004 1:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 52155
I think you must have watched a different Hanity and Colmes than I did last night. the one I saw had nothing to do with "forcing religion on the masses," and had more to do with overly-anal people griping about the teaching about the influence of Christianity in the formation of this country.  |
Date: 12/9/2004 1:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
Some of what you said is not true. There is a court case right now in California about a teacher who was repremanded for passing out the declaration of independence to his fifth grade classs because the document makes reference to god. That is rediculous. The history of our nation has many references to god and/or christianity. I don't think that using historical documents constitutes establishing a state sponsered religion. So, some liberals are trying to rewrite history, at least in California  |
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Date: 12/9/2004 1:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 52155
but the one I saw did have a lot of people "talking past each other" |
Date: 12/9/2004 1:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 43807
It's terrible that this is happening we ( as a country) should know not to force religion, on a country that was based on freedom of religion.  |
Date: 12/9/2004 1:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 27534
Debate over ...you win....hahahhahahaha  |
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Date: 12/9/2004 2:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
I think that whay is happening is that athiesm is being forced on the masses. I am not particularlly religious but I don't have a problem with Christmas vacation rather than winter holiday. Ramadan was featured in a number of schools this year because we need to appreciate other cultures. I think that some people want freedom from religion, not freedom of religion. I also think that there are a lot of attempts to squelch Christianity but not other religions. |
Date: 12/9/2004 3:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 46530
I personally don't think that religion and politics go together and should be kept as far apart as possible. The people that run the church should stay out of politics at anything above local level, and politicians should stay away from religious decisions. Schools should teach the besic tenets of ALL faiths, not just the main ones, and not as truth or belief, just to make children aware of what differing peoples believe.  |
Date: 12/9/2004 4:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
A lot of people do not realize where our Bill of Rights came from. They were not part of our original Constitution, but ammendments that were added after the Constitution was written to address concerns of the people in the original thirteen states. The first ammendment addressed one of the primary concerns of the people, the right of the people to have their own religious choices, and insurance that our government would not get involved in religion. As our country has grown older, relgion has crept into our government. Not until the Civil War did we find reference on our money to God. That was brought about due to different religious groups of that period that wished the Union to take the moral high ground and recognize God as our country's leader. The reference to God in our Pledge was during the McCarthy era, when once again there were people who wanted us to have the moral high ground over communism by recognizing God. Any who refused to recognize God back then were seen as communist. There is now an even greater resurgence of religion in our government, with politicians openly stating that their decisions are based on their religious beliefs. There are even mainstream religious groups that are demanding our government pass certain laws that favor their religious beliefs. Here in Alabama, there is a bill being introduced next session that would take away state funding for books in libraries that are written by homosexuals or bisexuals, or have any reference whatsoever to anything other than a heterosexual lifestyle. When questioned on this, the bill's sponsor stated he introduced the bill because of his religious convictions. If passed, this bill would take away state funding of some of the most classical writings we know, including Shakespeare. There is still a place in this country for religion, not just any religious beleif, but all beliefs. Our government is not that place though, and our forefathers made it clear that it wasn't.  |
Date: 12/9/2004 7:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 61013
America isnt as strong as it use to be... Love Always,Keri  |
Date: 12/9/2004 8:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
WOO HOO!!! You rock!! Great post with some very strong and valid points...I don't think that I have anything to add, I think that you state it all pretty well!!  |
Date: 12/10/2004 8:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 19613
I just looked up that book-banning story Two Spirit mentioned, as it sounded too ridiculous to be true (which unfortunately it was not). Just goes to show you the extremes you can get in a very conservative area of a very conservative country (yes even most of your "liberal" types are consevative by European standards). People like Gerald Allen (the guy who wants to make this law) are just downright scary in my opinion.  |
Date: 12/10/2004 10:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 15621
I think people go a bit farther with things than you realize. When people get upset at someone for calling a tree used at Christmas a Christmas tree and instead want it called a holiday tree then thats going a bit far dont you think? I mean I see it on both sides. Fanatics, there are Liberals that want to stop you from worshiping God and there are others who want to shove God down your throat.I dont think its the case with most but it is the case in some instances.  |
Date: 12/10/2004 1:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
You asked if America is still strong well, to me its not. It has become very polarized and people are to opposed to each others side. If they could find a common ground the US would be the great place it should be.  |
Date: 12/11/2004 11:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 29387
I agree just about with everything, but I don't find it rational to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance nor take Christmas songs out of schools. These are traditional values that we as a society have always had...and now, all of a sudden, we're afraid that someone will be offended?? Why is it that now, parents are filing lawsuits because their children were supposedly harmed because of saying "God" or listening to a Christmas song. Not because they're really traumatized, but because parents sniff the opportunity to make money. Money seems to be the only thing that isn't polarizing our nation right now, which is truly, truly sad.  |
Date: 1/23/2009 4:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 23101
This is an old debate, so it's kind of over, but I just saw it so I thought I would say this... I agree that both sides talk past each other. Neither side stops to see what the other side is thinking, it seems like they're just trying to say that everything that's going wrong is the other sides fault & that the other side is taking away what is important to them. It's that kind of thinking that is no longer making America strong. The founding fathers did not do this, they worked together to find something that worked for both sides, although it did not come easily. If we want to remain strong & not lose what the founding fathers have worked so hard to create, I think both sides better stop for a second & try to see what each other is saying.  |
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