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Deserter is not a draft dodger---------- Magoo

  Author:  13119  Category:(News) Created:(12/8/2004 11:11:00 AM)
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Deserter is not a draft dodger

By PETER WORTHINGTON -- For the Toronto Sun

While one can't guess what the refugee board will rule, from the evidence it's hard to conclude that Jeremy Hinzman deserted from the U.S. army for any reason other than he was scared.

This isn't to suggest he was a coward, because it takes a certain kind of courage to leave your country and claim refugee status rather than go to a dangerous area.

And it's not a comfortable feeling knowing that most of your countrymen will view you with disdain -- as will many Canadians -- if the refugee board accepts you as a "refugee" from what Hinzman claims is an "illegal war" in Iraq.

There's a certain amount of irony in this and other desertion cases, when Canada is in the midst of a campaign to raise money to buy the Victoria Cross won by Cpl. Fred Topham in World War II, that's being sold by his late wife's family.

Topham and his comrades of the 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion were undoubtedly scared in 1945 when they parachuted over the Rhine and Toppy won his VC -- the only VC won in the Sixth British Airborne Division to which Toppy's unit was attached.

The 1st Paras did more fighting in Northwest Europe than any other Canadian unit.

Hinzman was a paratrooper, too -- and deserted the U.S. 82nd Airborne on the eve of it being sent to Iraq.

Hinzman says the idea of killing people is repugnant to him, and that his application to be a conscientious objector was rejected.

One wonders why a conscientious objector would join the army.

Topham and his fellow soldiers didn't like killing either, but they did their duty.

In fact, Topham didn't kill -- he was a medic who repeatedly put his life at risk saving the wounded under fire.

Perhaps it isn't fair to compare the two men, but the question begs: Why did Hinzman join a volunteer army if he wasn't prepared to do what soldiers do, which is fight an enemy?

He wasn't drafted, he enlisted in early 2001. His claim that the war against Saddam Hussein was "illegal" rings hollow.

That's not a soldier's role to decide.

And the Vietnam situation doesn't apply either. During Vietnam America had the draft -- a conscript army.

Many Americans who didn't want to go to Vietnam or be in the military, came to Canada.

Some Canadian citizens now helping U.S. deserters were once Vietnam draft dodgers.

Even then, a draft dodger was different from a deserter -- a much more serious offence.

Most people don't have much use for deserters -- especially from a volunteer army, and before they've been shot at. A guy who deserts because he's been in combat too long, is different from someone who deserts because he doesn't want to risk combat.

Hinzman says he joined the army to get an education (war is an "education" although not the sort he wants).

His interest in Buddhism conflicts with his interest in the military, as does his status as a new parent, plus his sudden concern about the legality of wars.

As Hinzman says, he had no great "epiphany" -- just a growing dislike for the prospect of war.

It reached a peak when he was due to leave for Iraq.

Up to then, he'd apparently been an adequate soldier, passing all the training tests required.

Most likely is that fear dominated his psyche and after the outrage of 9/11, he realized soldiering wasn't for him.

So he fled to Canada.

I think Canada should send him home to deal with the consequences of his decisions.



******* I think that Mr. Worthington has the best wording and reasoning yet****

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Date: 12/8/2004 11:18:00 AM  From Authorid: 36700    Is this a big deal in Canada?
Date: 12/8/2004 11:25:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 13119    it should be fairly big everywhere. In Canada we are getting sick and tired of people committing crimes and running to us for protection. People are being fast-tracked past others in the emmigration process and it is wrong. This isn't the only issue going on in the emigration world right now, we have a minister that is being seriously investigated because of how she is running her office.  
Date: 12/8/2004 12:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 15228    It's easy enough to fix. Send him on back if you guys are sick of it. But frankly, I think there are many Canadians who probably admire the guy....wasn't a town in Canada thinking recently of building a memorial to American draft dodgers?  
Date: 12/8/2004 12:19:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 13119    Yep you are right Kelly but when they figured out that they would lose alot of their tourism and ALL their business from the states they backed right off. I would love to have him and his family sent back to the states. It isn't just the states that does this, it is people from all over the world that think that Canada is the place to run to.  
Date: 12/8/2004 1:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 27534    Yep....again....send him back. But you know...he is willing to give up one country...why not two??? The chain of events has to break somewhere.  
Date: 12/8/2004 1:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 43807    My brother willing went to iraq,(he wrote the govener to send him over there to be with his unit, He did this because his unit was sent to iraq before he got done with his training. And yes he did get to go iraq)

Really if we had a draft and women were included. I would go willingly as long as they give me new contacts. What my brother did was brave. I guess it takes a certain kind of person to make a soldger, and this man is not it. Frankly, this man makes me angry.
  
Date: 12/8/2004 2:56:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 13119    I agree WISE, if you can't trust him in the country of his birth what makes us trust him here. Donuts, you are right, it does take a special type to be an honourable soldier. Your brother is one such person.  
Date: 12/8/2004 3:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 47296    First off, understand that I am not defending this man's actions. I have served with people who were conscientious objectors. The difference being that they stated their reasons while in basic, and were assigned to appropriate duties for an objector. One problem with this war is that there are religious groups that are questioning the legality of the war. There are also some countries that are "sitting on the fence" when it comes to deciding whether they feel this war was just and moral. Back when the Kuwait invasion took place, and it was obvious that American units would be sent to the Middle East for an eventual confrontation, there were quite a few Guard personnel that got out. Others stated that if their unit were scheduled to be deployed, they would get out. One of those was a person in my unit whom I had known since we were kids. His reasoning was that he did not join to go off to war, but as an extra paycheck while serving in the state. Several of us who heard that remark were angered by it. This guy was never called to active duty, so he stayed in, and eventually got his next stripe. What angered me and several others was that he was given his stripe before we were, even after making the remarks he made, and three of us who were passed over were in fact veterans. If a person has religious convictions, then I have no problem with them cliaming CO status. If they are scared, well, guess what, so are thousands of others. It is those who are not scared at least a bit that I worry about. If their reasoning is that they didn't join to serve their country, even in time of war, but for an extra paycheck or the education, then I have no use for them. As for the legality of the war, there is not a court in this country that would take a case involving a soldier who objected based on whether or not the war was legal or moral. If another country though ever rules that that a person's objection is valid based on such grounds, then that country has just opened it's doors to every objector out there, regardless of their reasons.  
Date: 12/8/2004 4:56:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 13119    I understand what you are saying TS and I took your first comment wrong, I am sorry. I should have realised what you were getting at.  

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