Date: 10/18/2004 6:38:00 AM
From Authorid: 19869
i dont think people are trying to 'break the traditional mold', but rather adapt it to meet modern morals. whereas incest certainly isnt something a lot of people would class as ok these days. polygamy, its illegal but i dont think there would be a great outrage if it was legal. only problem is that i lot of people's relationships would be ruined! that would have to be introduced very slowly and carefully. although if your that into multiple marriages, then migrate!  |
Date: 10/18/2004 6:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 35160
polygamy and incest are nowhere near the same thing as gay marriage. polygamy and incest are sick........ i say if 2 people of the same sex want to get married LET THEM. they have just as much right to be happy and married as anyone else .. so i just dont understand why so many people are against it. its just a bunch of political crap to me...  |
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Date: 10/18/2004 6:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 19869
but yeah it is just a load of political crap too! |
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Date: 10/18/2004 6:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 19869
spooky gal... whats so wrong with polygamy??? how is it sick? there are more females than males on this planet.. is it fair that (guessing) 15% of females in this world will never have a long term partner cos there isnt enough men?? is it so sick that two women love one man and that one man loves two women? |
Date: 10/18/2004 6:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
The point is, and you just made it, is that marriage is not a constitutional right or a human rights issue. It's a state mandated legal definition, as well as a spiritual or religious institution of long standing. There should be no constitutional amendment either for or against any type of marriage. State laws define marriage currently as the union of a man and a woman, of legal age and relationship - period. My personal thoughts are that gay couples should be entitled to legal benfits (right of survivorship, joint property, medical insurance and social benifits etc.) and that a civil union would and should ensure all those things. If a gay couple want's to marry in religious or spiritual cermony of some sort than fine by me. But I would want the current legal definition of marriage as a state and federal institution to remain as it is.  |
Date: 10/18/2004 6:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 19869
i say gay men can get married if one of them has the chop! and gay women can get married if one gets a permanent addition to their empty vacinity  who wants to vote for me???  |
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Date: 10/18/2004 6:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 35160
i dont think a man should have more than one wife. why? why would a woman want to share a man with other women? i think its demeaning to the woman. and its also gross, your sharing yourself with that man and all the other women hes slept with. thats nasty......... |
Date: 10/18/2004 7:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 61946
No, I do not think that polygamy, incest, etc. should be allowed, That is very gross!
I do however think that it should be up to gay men and lesbian women wether they want to get married. Gay men and lesbian women both should have the same right as straight couples to be happy and be able to get married if the want too.
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Date: 10/18/2004 7:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 25390
Isn't polygamy legal in utah??  |
Date: 10/18/2004 7:27:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
Dang! Look at all the discrimination flowing out of these comments! What's "gross" and "nasty" and "sick" to some people just isn't the same for all people, now is it? Why should only one segment of society have a version of "gross", "nasty" and "sick" relationships sanctified and not others? Why isn't the old adage, "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander" in any of your thought processes? God Bless.  |
Date: 10/18/2004 7:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 62881
Good one, Oddy!! It is illegal in the church (Mormon---I used to be one) because there is a federal law against polygamy. However, there are some who did it (and probably still do) and use the church as an excuse saying it is in their bibles and laws. They excommunicate people from the church for that. I remember one in the news years ago...they excommunicated him. I think it is wrong to have more than a couple in a marriage. ...Green Eyed Froggy  |
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Date: 10/18/2004 7:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 62881
You can't change the way people are. There have always been gay relationships throughout time, it's just that it's OUT THERE now instead of being hidden. This has never changed, so they might as well get the benefits from it as a regular married couple does. I am just not sure how that should be legally done. That is what we have these CROOKED politicians for...Green Eyed Froggy |
Date: 10/18/2004 8:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 7952
Oddsmell.. I'm in Utah, and no, Polygamy is not legal here and has not been for quite some time. It was outlawed by the Church in 1890 (I believe)  |
Date: 10/18/2004 9:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
First I would like to say that I agree with Deb..Author, I have always debated that if homosexual marriages were permitted then why not polygamy, incest, etc, marriages. These are all about choosing different lifestyles. The way I see it is that homosexuals has went beyond claiming it is a lifestyle that they choose to enter and they attempt to justify themselves by claiming it is an inborn trait and they attempt to force their chosen lifestyle onto society.  |
Date: 10/18/2004 9:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 7952
I agree with Deb & Rusure  100% |
Date: 10/18/2004 9:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 53961
What it comes down to in any of these scenarios is, "What is best for the children?" Sometimes, we as adults, get so caught up in our own wants and desires that we forget that the children that become a product of any and all of these lifestyles are the innocent ones who suffer the pain, shame and confusion of it all. We need to stop thinking about ourselves and focus more on the future generation of this country or it's going down in one HUGE handbasket!  |
Date: 10/18/2004 10:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 62675
I agree with Deb and would like to add that while some think Gay marriges are ok but incest and polygomy are gross, There are many people that think being homosexual is gross. It is all a matter of opinion.  |
Date: 10/18/2004 12:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 62118
You argument is just the slippery slope logic, its not reliably as it ignores the original reason of gay marriages.  |
Date: 10/18/2004 12:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 1225
This is another example of the "Slippery Slope" argument, which as I've demonstrated innumerable times before, is an invalid one. It's designed to frighten otherwise open people with thoughts of the whole society being brought down by one little thing that cascades into many big things. It's just plain stupid. Societies are not and should not be rigid and unchanging, they need to be flexible, malleable, and thereby resiliant. Allowing homosexuals to marry their beloveds will not destroy our society, it will not lead to a degradation our morals and ethics, but rather enrich the society and enhance our sense or morals and ethics. In Denmark, where they've had full-fledged same-sex marriages for more than a decade, they've seen nothing but positive change. STD are down, suicide and depression amongst homosexuals is way down, and even that country's clergy have shifted their views, some 80% are glad that the law was changed. American politics resorts too often to scare tactics and fear mongering, it stirs up hatred and distrust and destroys the house that is America by dividing it against itself. Let us examine the issue based on the facts, and not the hyped emotions that politicos want.  |
Date: 10/19/2004 12:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
What Neptune said ^  |
Date: 10/19/2004 3:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 4144
i think they should just outlaw all marriage and everybody can just shack up!  |
Date: 10/19/2004 4:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
O.k., Neptune, a slope is described as a line with one point higher than another. What I see you saying is that legalizing gay marriages is the loftier point and any other type of definition of marriage beyond that of one woman and one man is the lower point. Therefore, man/woman marriages (the current legal definition of marriage) must sit within the line created by the slope from the lofty gay marriage view to the lowly ("sick", "gross", "nasty" in others' words' of polygamy, e.g. Anything besides the lofty view (that being one that would "enrich society and enhance our morals and ethics" in your words puts one on that "slippery slope" since one is not at the loftiest point (apex) and, therefore, prone to sliding. Is that what we as a society need to enrich ourselves? That is, having any kind of SLOPE at all? A line with no slope at all-- where one point of view is not held to be a loftier point than any other -- where the middle point as a fulcrum balances out the lofty and the lowly points of view is what I've always thought of as "freedom" in our country, meaning that with the middling ground, a step to the right by some people and a step to the left by others' is not going to create an imbalance in the equilibrium. Can you tell me, Neptune, just what is the middle ground in this issue? Can you also tell me why it is something you, or any other resonable person, would not support? God Bless. |
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