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On Reality and Dream

  Author:  62821  Category:(Philosophy) Created:(10/17/2004 4:33:00 PM)
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I know nothing; that is what I know. The 'I' is in capitals because 'I is important'. I is important, therefore I is going to philosophise about reality and dream.

There are two ways of looking at existence, one, that it is real, and it is physical, or two, that it is a sort of dream. To say that it is a dream would in essence be to say that there are many possibilities and opportunities to enhance your life. To say that it is real is to secure your belief that seeing it as such will ensure that you behave as if it is, i.e. it will improve your life. If you see it as a dream, and not of particular importance, you will then begin to behave in accordance with this belief. But, if you believe that it is a dream, then somewhere, we must be sleeping. The question then is both 'what am I sleeping?' as in what being am I that is having these 'conscious' experiences, and 'where am i sleeping', for if we are sleeping and this is a dream, then we must be somewhere. And there are theories, some which are confusing. Some claim that existence is the soul dreaming, but could the soul not purport to have some kind of form? What does the soul actually look like?

Now, some have said that consciousness itself is the 'looking in the mirror of the soul', that is, life looks like what is actually in the subconscious; we are living as an embodiment of thought inside an ‘objectualization’ of the mind. That is to say, in other words, that we are walking around inside a version of the mind itself. We are searching around the world, just as our thoughts search out new avenues of invention and imagination in the thickets of our neurological network, which could purport to be a mirroring of the outside world of 'concrete things'. So in essence, we could claim that we are in fact 'what we see', i.e, that which vibrates through virtue of its own perceptual existence, if anything. It may seem strange to claim that we are actually just inanimate objects, like cups for example, but consider the essentially eternal 'denseness' of these forms. In metaphysics it is acceptable to say that an object is identical to itself, just as it is wrong to say that object a is identical to object b in that they cannot be identical unless all their spatio-temporal features are exactly similar. Object a, therefore, is identical to object a, to an infinite degree. It is by that very nature that something like this, i.e. anything in existence, is the product of infinity. It would help to say out loud that soul is the manifestation of form itself. Now that's pretty hard to conceive of, but we have to consider that it is the realm of infinity that we are dealing with. What I am saying, in essence, is that the soul is born of the intense eternal physicality of stuff such as rocks. Things that could not claim to be conscious...

So we have a second entity that is the soul and soul can be said to have been born of the denseness of things, as a primary reaction to that. It is there. It exists. So essentially, we, as God, are all around ourselves. This however, can be said to be in the mind. All occurrences are perceived mentally, therefore mental, and life is but a dream. But the theory of form as soul could be testament to the actual intrinsic physicality of things. And if life is physical, then it is seriously no dream, but true reality.

But what do you think? Does true reality depend on sense perception? Are we to really trust our senses when it comes to experiencing things in life? Rest assured, there is a lot to this topic, and there is no assurance whether life is dream or reality... yet.

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Date: 10/17/2004 4:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 62739    Reality IS as the individual perceives it. If you study a little quantum mechanics, and qhantum physics, you will not only understand reality a little better but you will also have a better idea of what dreams actually are, as you perceive them. ~Russel~
  
Date: 10/18/2004 11:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 10744    But reality as a whole is also a base. If X amount of people can see the same thing and claim it is in their reality then reality is not simply as an individual perceives it. Reality seems to be a notion brought upon by a need to "label" (and pardon that term) our surroundings. By giving the cup on our counter the title of real or being part of reality we have, in our minds, given ourselves one less thing to understand. Decartes said "I think, therefore, I am" and it goes very true with the idea of what reality truly is. If all perception and all that we consider tangible and real is simply a dream, our only proof that we our selves are real and tangible beings is the simple fact that we have thoughts. Digressing a moment, you have heard the statement made in many a movie of your friends simply being a creation of your imagination? Well, in said statement we are saying that ALL the world is OUR individual perception. Yet, the moment that something that we perceive has a thought which we cannot know, then that thing ceases to be part of our INDIVIDUAL perception. I have long felt that the most interesting subjects to study in the search for reality are those that see things differently then the "common" people do. Hence, if their perception is different from said X amount of peoples perception then what is reality. It would seem that reality is but an ungraspable grasp. Interesting and well thought out.  
Date: 10/24/2004 12:30:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 62821    Thanks Russel for your advice, I have taken it upon myself to search out some info on quantum mechanics and physics, getting as far as finding a book on physics. It's a help, and a good introduction. And thankyou Air Boy, for your input. It's good to hear your thoughts. However, perhaps i still don't fully understand descartes reasoning, but I still don't see how it makes reality infallibly real. I see your point about X number of people seeing the same thing, however, this draws reality along the same lines as morals, which are generally agreed upon by people, and do not necessarily exist as absolutes. Reality, by this example, is still something that is agreed upon by an amount of people, but nevertheless, the agreement is subjective. What we need in our quest to prove that life is real is some highly reliable proof of a "Mind-independent reality", that is, proof that life exists outside of our perception of it. As yet we only have proof of that which is in our minds. If we could see life without a mind, then we would know that life is real. However, since all that we see requires a mind, we are only able to conclude that reality itself is in the mind, and not physical at all. It can be said that if there was not a mind independent reality, then we would not be able to see anything. However, if all ideas are innate, then the very second you see something, it becomes an idea that is mental. There is no way to prove that it is physical. This is why I claim that life is merely a dream. But if it is a dream, then how can it be governed by physical laws that act upon it.... Life as we see it is real as anything, but we have to concern ourselves with the reasons why we consider it to be se real... There are many factors which affect this belief, because lets face it, that life is real is only a belief, and can never be proved. But it does rely on things which we experience, such as beauty, which we find in many things. And beauty goes some way to implying to us our affinity with that beautiful thing. In other words, we are like that which we find beautiful. Descartes was also concerned that he may be being decieved by an evil genius. But the only thing that this deception could be for would be if there was nothing. Life is very real, very realistic, but its realisticness won't fool me. I am of the belief that there is something beyond sense perception. Dan  
Date: 11/6/2004 5:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 43948    FINALLY. Quality Philosophical Babble. Gold star for you. On the other hand, I will probably make no sense, let alone complement the topic

Reality is simply what it is. You cannot define reality, for it cannot be calculated. It defies notion. Intellect is the art of interpretation. Giving reality the indentity of reality takes away from reality. You assume that reality is something when it really is not. It simply is what it is.This can be said for everything else in life; the soul, a dead rat under the couch, wearing a hat. What is a dead rat? What is to wear a hat? What is a soul? It is not that reality is a dream, but we dream of reality. Reality is not differentiating the absolute from the relative; it is both, it contains the outside and the inside. Reality is simply what it is.
  
Date: 11/6/2004 5:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 43948    Of course, what I write is only an interpretation of reality. What is reality, then? It is this.  

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