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Is there a nuance double standard between Bush and Kerry?--r1

  Author:  47162  Category:(Debate) Created:(10/8/2004 8:12:00 PM)
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Is Bush allowed to give complex, nuanced answers, and Kerry can't? Is there a double standard?

Here is the dialogue I'd like to see.

Charlie Gibson: How do you feel on partial birth abortion Kerry?

JFK: I feel it's wrong, but it must be allowed incase a mothers life is in danger. That's why I voted against the bill. Because it didn't have a clause protecting a mothers life.

GWB: Oh there he goes again. Kerry, did you vote for it or against it? Yes or No?

JFK: I voted No! But because....*GWB interrupts*

GWB: Did you vote yes or no? This is simple! It's not complex. Yes or No?

JFK: It's not that simple Mr. President!

GWB: Of course it is. You either want Partial Birth abortion or don't!

JFK: *Just sits there silently*

Charlie Gibson: Now to deficits? President Bush, did deficits increase under your watch?

GWB: Well yes Charlie! But we were in a recession, and we are in war.

JFK: Mr president. Just answer yes or no! Either they did or didn't. It's simple! If I can't explain the nuances of my positions, you can't either!

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Date: 10/8/2004 8:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 15228    Kerry has a plan, that's all you or anyone else needs to know.  
Date: 10/8/2004 8:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 47231    All I heard Kerry say is that he has a plan. Which in no way means that he actually has a plan. The double standard is the George Bush has been the President and has made decisions which we can all second guess, Kerry (fortunately) has not. ~archer
Date: 10/8/2004 8:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 7574    Yeah, I'm still waiting for Kerry's "plans"...lol...It's like Gore's "lockbox" Ever see that SNL? It's hilarious.  
Date: 10/8/2004 8:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 31809    Oh, So you noticed that too. I'm an undecided voter. I don't favor one over the other, but I sure thought the process tonight was tilted towards the President. Even the news media immediatly afterwards (Hardball) said how well the President did. I wonder, were they watching the same debate?
Date: 10/8/2004 9:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    I have a plan, can I be president?  
Date: 10/8/2004 10:24:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47162    wow..foxnews musta said something about how kerry kept repeating the word "plan"......ya'll are parroting something:P  
Date: 10/8/2004 11:11:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47162    lol...man bush supporters danced around that one..lol  
Date: 10/8/2004 11:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 48531    Well they dance around it why? because the pres dances around the same questions. Bush tries repeatedly to shut off Kerry, and not let him explain why he voted this way or that, and Bush doing that, as I am not a moron, and with good hearing, hear that GW is trying to sell Kerry short, and hopes that all will follow his (Bush) words even though they are only half the reality.

I am totaly against discusing politics in public forum as everyone has their own opinion, but GW keeps promising the same things he has all along, with very little results. Remember Bush tonigh saying, "In the last year alone, 1.2 million jobs have been created." But what # he forgets to mention is that in the same year, over 2 million old jobs were lost. All i can say is do some homework and look up the #'s issued as fact, and that means anywhere other than news places or political websites, and have a look at what the whole truth is. Its called the Big Picture, and it may surprise a bunch of people to see how uneffictive GW is at anything except trying to be a comedian smartypants when he dont have solid answers to back up what he says. Yes GW has done some good things, but looking at my kid, and the way things are his way or else, makes me think I really dont want to see his face for 4 more years, behind all the garbage we already live in. Tis is my opinion.
  
Date: 10/8/2004 11:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 62752    here is a way to look at it, um bush had a chance and sucked lesser of 2 evils, sorry i will give someone else a shot  
Date: 10/9/2004 12:47:00 AM  From Authorid: 37900    There is no double standard. The President doesn't give complex, nuanced answers. I believe the American people know his positions on the issues. In your example, partial-birth abortion is a simple issue: it is never required to save the life of a mother and it is unnecessary even if one believes in abortion. The deficit is defined as money the government spends in excess of what it takes in. Government spending is regulated by Congress, not the President. In fact, we were in a recession when he took office and we are at war.  
Date: 10/9/2004 1:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 3642    The drug company 's and oil corporations pull Bushes strings like a puppet , he reveals his self with each snide condecending remark and his adittude the way he presented his self as our leader makes me sick , Amercia reputation has been compleatly tarnished because of his inablity's to control his actions ,clearly proven each time he speaks. Countrys that look up to America or used to were our allies for years and him not telling the truth to the American people when we found out how our soldiers had mistreated the prisioners he did not even apoligize at all for Americans conduct , nope people apoligized all right but it was not Bush " I dont trust a man that can not even see his own failings or admit them " Bush told us they would be waiting for us with open arms for us to free them rememeber ?? what American found our selfs in was a frigging civil war between 3 groups of people and thought ....Not our war but there we are ---we were supose to be looking for Bin and he has nothing to do with Iraq....if we were worried about WMD we should have been looking at who had them and repeatly said so to the whole world on the news , like Koera forget for one moment that this president has effected every country in the world with his arrogance we can not force other countrys to democracy by shoving it down thier throuts any more then we would like thier Ideals shoved down our throuts ....and Our Sons and daughters died for what ? we very much have the right to ask QUESTIONS and get some decent answers with out being labled a tratior .....he very much makes me angry and I feel that administration needs to be held accountable..... half of America did not want this war the other half is still trying to justify it some how so they wont have to say we may have been wrong .  
Date: 10/9/2004 8:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 17081    The last question of the day was to have Bush admit to 3 mistakes he has made. Why wasn't that question proposed to Kerry. Everyone makes mistakes. Kerry could give a whole speech on his mistakes.  
Date: 10/9/2004 8:19:00 AM  From Authorid: 17081    Pull the string with Kerry: "I have a plan" "That's wrong" "The president lied about wmd" ... I'm still waiting to hear his plans. I posted that long time ago and still haven't heard his plans.  
Date: 10/9/2004 8:35:00 AM  From Authorid: 3642    Just because we are a great nation does not mean that we can not make mistakes <---not owning up to our mistakes could be fatal we have not set a good example to the rest of the world leaders of the world or not ? we used to be any ways now our opinions mean little to the rest of the world we have lost our crediblity ,integrity and honnor on how the world is run ....Because at this time in history its compleatly clear to the rest of the world that our own self serving additudes run our country. not higher thinking  
Date: 10/9/2004 8:59:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    No it was not fox news that talked about "plans" It has been all we have been hearing from Kerry since he started to debate or even talk, YET he has yet to reveal any plan or how he intends to do those plans, as I've said before, he comes against bush because the men/women over there do not have enough to keep them safe, yet when the bill went forth for funding so these men and women could have more vest, ect, kerry voted against it. Cant do anything without money. Says he is going to take the military and actually FORCE the retired of some 60,000 of them, plus so many other things. YET he says he has to finish the war that bush started. How does he expect to do that with no military? With no funding? To me he is just a little boy with too much money on his hands and too much time , wanting to play another game but doesnt have a clue about the game at hand.  
Date: 10/9/2004 9:11:00 AM  From Authorid: 17081    Well said, Firstborn  
Date: 10/9/2004 9:15:00 AM  From Authorid: 48531    well either has yet to show these new plans for healthcare and social security, and show where the funding will come from. So both are even there.  
Date: 10/9/2004 9:34:00 AM  From Authorid: 48531    this is a society of free speach and freedom to chose. Just because you dont agree with someones choice for president, doesnt mean we get to flame them. sheesh.  
Date: 10/9/2004 9:55:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47162    wow..i think it's interesting which answers people are allowed to explain, and which one's people aren't. Basically, if you're a Republican, you can explain. If you're Kerry, then your explainations are nothing but some "mexed missages".  
Date: 10/9/2004 9:58:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47162    bush gives "mexed missages" on his reasons for war in iraq...sometimes its the wmd's sometimes it's the saddam is a bad guy..sometimes its the UN resolutions........Mr President..Did Saddam have WMD"s? Yes or NO? Did you invade a country that didn't have WMD's? Yes or No? Just yes or no!  
Date: 10/9/2004 10:46:00 AM  From Authorid: 62752    hahahhaaha funny how a man can be impeached by letting a woman do things to him and lying about it, when it has no baring on our country, but u lie about WOMD and go in and mess a country up and have no plan to get out, ur fine? oh well guess it is all in who ya know  
Date: 10/10/2004 11:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 37900    The President did not lie about WMDs. The statements he made were founded on his belief that Saddam either possessed them or was very close to possessing them. No one, including Senator Kerry, disputed the intelligence that the President based his decision on. Clearly, Senator Kerry also believed that Saddam was a threat. We can criticize the intelligence now, but at the time, it was the best we had, and we could not afford to allow Saddam additional time to defy the international community. R1, do you support the return of Saddam to power, given what we now know?  
Date: 10/11/2004 12:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 22080    bush is just mad cause he cant think past the level of a chimpanzee  
Date: 10/12/2004 9:15:00 AM  From Authorid: 3642    first born kerry did not vote for that spending because only 30 percent of the 87 billion went To the troops the other was to fund Bushes Agenda , If it would Have just went to the troops he would have voted yes ....seems some of our politician pick and choose how money should be spent ,A good Thing I think with out lumping it all together ....Its The people who created the bill that are responsable for its failur seems some one should be attacking them ...and some One should get our troops the equipment they need The right way >???  
Date: 10/12/2004 9:23:00 AM  From Authorid: 3642    oh wait a minute thats our goverment is it not maybe a few billion people should scream to the rafters and make them give our kids That are dieing over there the right equipment I hate The Bush adminstration its Thier fault those kids are Over there dieing remember Bush saying they tried to kill my dad and I am getting even ......Bush is a demented sicko <-----of corse its our kids dieing not his ......there is not even a plan from bush to get them out ....WAKE UP PEOPLE !!!!!!  
Date: 10/12/2004 9:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 36704    Keepsake what are you talking about, the bill passed in November of 2003.  
Date: 10/12/2004 9:34:00 AM  From Authorid: 36704    Bush never said "they tried to kill my dad, now I'm getting even" geez  
Date: 10/12/2004 8:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 3642    HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- President Bush leveled harsh criticism Thursday at the Senate on homeland security issues, but he revised his stump speech to make clear "there are fine senators from both parties who care deeply about our country."
And, in discussing the threat posed by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Bush said: "After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad."
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/27/bush.war.talk/
  
Date: 10/12/2004 8:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 3642    Try again Base ...the facts are the facts ...This Man who is now leading The country has a personal vendeta personal agendas that have little to do with the safty and best intrest of our country.  
Date: 10/12/2004 8:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 3642    He can not admit to his own failing,s or the possiblity that in his life time he has ever made a mistake <---that in and of its self shows a huge ego its extreamly scary that a person with so much power would not even question his own judgements ? but instead has shown only his very own opinon matters and that every one oposed is a traitor to the United states .....I think he very much see his self as king or something I dont say this meanly I really believes he thinks that  
Date: 10/12/2004 8:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 3642    The getting even part was not apart of what he said it was only implied but it was indeed implied  
Date: 10/12/2004 8:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    Like I said Bush never said "they tried to kill my dad, now I'm getting even" You said he said it, not that he implied it. And as far as implying he's now getting even, that's only your assumption.  
Date: 10/12/2004 8:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    You guys want people to believe you yet you put words in people's mouth and claim they say them and then can't even get your facts straight. People are suppose to follow your choice of candidate from the example you're setting? Don't choose Bush because he's a liar, but choose Kerry even though I'm lying to try to make you vote for him. Makes a lot of sense.  
Date: 10/12/2004 8:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    Read the article again, in context. He said the Iraqi leader's "hatred" was largely directed at the United States and added: "After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad." He meant that Saddam tried to kill a president of the United States, he was trying to show Saddam's contempt for the US, if it had been Clinton and he said after all this is the guy who tried to kill Bill Clinton would he be implying he's getting even? I see nowhere in the article where he implied "now I'm getting even."

  
Date: 10/14/2004 9:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 3642    hmmmmmm your right Base about my wording not being exact text and for debate ya need that so I do give ya that point and I only give my self a c- On that score ......on the other hand of assumption..... what was your last statement is that not assumption as well ? and I quote you -he was trying to show Saddam's contempt for the US, if it had been Clinton and he said after all this is the guy who tried to kill Bill Clinton would he be implying he's getting even? I see nowhere in the article where he implied "now I'm getting even." is not that your assumption of what he ment ? what if the rest of us see it in a diffrent maner ? what some of us saw was vendita instead so what are ya getting so mad about your doing it to if nothing eles it makes us both wrong ....every one has thier own perceptions  
Date: 10/14/2004 10:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Quote: "partial-birth abortion is a simple issue: it is never required to save the life of a mother and it is unnecessary even if one believes in abortion". Alfrowi, you have no idea what you are talking about. NONE. You appear to only get your information from Pro-Life people and propaganda. An ohhhh boy, there are tons of that flying around. Scares the crap out of me the possibility of Pro-Life judges one day being in the Supreme Court. And you know darn well that is the OBJECTIVE , the real issue with getting Georgie back in the White house, since 2-3 current judges will be retiring soon. Deny it until the cows come home, but that is fact. I don't listen to Jerry Falwell, that Kennedy guy, or Pat Robertson and their ilk just for some sort of "inspiration" you know. It's very clear what their BIG $$$$$ mega-contributions to the Bush campaign is all about.  
Date: 10/15/2004 6:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 36704    I'm not mad Keepsake, and sure, I guess that's an assumption even though that was the whole point of the speech, to paint Saddam as a threat to the US.  
Date: 10/15/2004 7:32:00 AM  From Authorid: 62728    And yet, despite the "objective" can you name a single Justice who has just been placed on the Supreme Court by the President of the United States? I didn't think so. For some reason everyone seems to think the President has all these absolute powers that he simply does not have. Take a second and read up on the processes of government and the laws and how things work. -DeltaRebel  
Date: 10/15/2004 7:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 62728    And yet, despite the "objective" can you name a single Justice who has just been placed on the Supreme Court by the President of the United States? I didn't think so. For some reason everyone seems to think the President has all these absolute powers that he simply does not have. Take a second and read up on the processes of government and the laws and how things work. -DeltaRebel  
Date: 6/24/2005 2:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 16376    I agree with Keepsake.  

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