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Date: 10/8/2004 8:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
What does Vietnam have to do with North Korea? The Clinton crowd gave North Korea the materials to build the nukes, In fact you might say the Bush Administration has been left to clean up Clintons messes...the stuff he ignored for 8 years. Now what? Are we suppose to invade North Korea? Right now the plan seems to be for the US to step back from North Korea's blackmail efforts and let china lean on them and South Korea and other countries negotiate with them...I'm not sure what John Kerrys plan is on North Korea. I know with Iran he said in his debate he would have given Iran material to start a nuclear power plant...which is what Clinton did with North Korea---gave them the material to start a nuclear "power plant", in reality they turned around and used to to build weapons. Guess commies aren't good at keeping promises. Kerry wants to continue this policy? It makes little to no sense.  |
Date: 10/8/2004 8:13:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 49101
How is it possible, that for all the good things Clinton did Republicans say "It was started By Bush!" but when it s a bad thing they say "Oh that was ALL Clinton!" don't you believe in accountability at all in this country? Kerry intends to secure the materials and prevent the countries from having the materials to make mor ein the future btw.  |
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Date: 10/8/2004 9:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
It is a hard cold fact that Clinton gave the material to North Korea to build Nukes. It is a hard cold fact that we were attacked throughout the 90's and did nothing about it... |
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Date: 10/8/2004 9:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
Maybe you don't agree with what Bush is doing now in response to these problems. That is fair enough. But lets please not pretend these problems suddenly cropped up 2 days after Bush took office. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 9:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
So how is he going to secure these materials? By giving Iran clean uranium---as he stated in the debate? |
Date: 10/8/2004 9:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
It's also a hard cold fact Clinton let Osama Bin Laden walk away after he was on the FBI's most wanted list. "Our cities and states are bearing far more cost of the homeland security than should be expected." That gave me a good laugh after you just complained about the federal budget in another post.  |
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Date: 10/8/2004 9:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
Aren't Firehouses a local issue? Must the federal government get invovled in every single tiny little detail of our lives? |
Date: 10/8/2004 9:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 53284
Are you suggesting that we now go to war with both North Korea and Iran? If not, what exactly would you like to see done with regard to both of those countries.  |
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Date: 10/8/2004 9:59:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 49101
Ok wait, forst of all, I am not suggesting anything, as I said the first time I posted, I am not trying to sway people one way or the other, and most mportantly I would like people to go out and VOTE. Thank You Author Only. Secondly Kelly, whether we want the governement to decide every detail isn't really up to us anymore is it? It hasn't been for the longest time, and ESPECIALLY not after the Patriot Act. Patriot Act not dealing here or there with the firefighters. But budget cuts and sending more funds for training the Iraqi officials (Firefighters police etc...) IS taking away from what we need HERE at HOME. Base as for the National Deficit, of course we are up to our necks in SEVERAL directions on issues pertaining to the National Deficit because we are sending our resources out of the country. And we are at war with the WRONG country, spending millions and millions and millions, so that our troops can be ill equiped and ill prepared. We now make up 90 percent of the forces in Iraq, and we have suffered 90% of the casualties, do you all honestly believe you the TAX PAYERS aren't funding these things? Where I live there is a massive clean up effort going on after the storms, and yet the men who should be HOME helping thier families are overseas fighting over Bush's Oil refineries. Touching on that subject would anyone like to explain why we were safegaurding the oil refineries during the strikes and not the people? |
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Date: 10/8/2004 10:20:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 49101
Free Trade With Vietnam (New York Times) - During Colin Powell's visit to Vietnam this week, the secretary of state found a nation whose economy has taken more strides toward the future than has its cumbersome, authoritarian government. Vietnam's people are dynamic and optimistic. Roughly 60 percent are younger than 30 years old, the product of half a century of war with France, the United States and China. Though their politically rigid government has yet to conquer corruption and poverty, it has encouraged entrepreneurial activity. Both countries can benefit from a closer relationship. The free trade agreement awaiting approval by Congress can help build those ties. Outside capital began to flood into Vietnam after the country gave itself a new, economically progressive Constitution in 1992. The Vietnamese economy grew by nearly 9 percent a year in the mid-1990's, beating out some of the established Asian tigers. Per capita income grew by 50 percent between 1994 and 1997 alone. Trade came to dominate the economy, with exports growing by more than 20 percent a year. But the government, made shy by the region's financial crisis, stifled early enthusiasm with heavy-handed bureaucracy and postponement of structural reforms. Foreign investment fell by about 80 percent between 1996 and 1999, and economic growth slowed by half. Congress can help to reverse this trend by ratifying the free trade agreement with Vietnam that was completed last year under President Bill Clinton. The agreement grants Vietnam the same "normal trade relations" that China has enjoyed for over a decade. It lowers tariffs on both sides and provides vital copyright protection to American intellectual property. American businesses and diplomats have been pushing hard for the agreement, which would confirm the Vietnamese government's wisdom in offering open markets a second chance. Under the sponsorship of Senators Tom Daschle and Trent Lott, the Democratic and Republican leaders, a joint resolution to approve the deal passed the Senate Finance Committee last week. But the House has yet to decide whether to vote on the pact with Vietnam by itself. Some Republicans want to make it a bargaining chip in the bigger debate about the president's authority to negotiate trade agreements. Today the House Ways and Means Committee will indicate whether it plans to delay approval further. It would be shameful to hold Vietnam's 79 million eager workers and consumers, and American businesses, hostage to Congressional machinations. I wil give you the fact that Clinton opened the flood gates, but the next watchman dropped the ball. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 10:27:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
You lost me at patriot act...Kim Jung Ill (or whatever his name is) of North Korea is absolutely nuts..and you want us to trade with him? We've already made "nice" by sending clean uranium---and which he is now blackmailing us with. Remember that train that blew up and leveled the town in North Korea not long ago? Turns out there were people from Syria on that train..I don't think the cargo on that train was fruit baskets. This probably means North Korea is working with terrorists from the middle east. They are not and never will be people we can work with--unless you live in a liberal world. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 10:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
By the way, it is a fact that North Korea is the most secretive, hostile communist government left in the world...they might even be worse than the United States under the nazis like patriot act. These people kidnap Japanese right off the shores of Japan so they have people to teach japanese language classes. This is a regime that despite it's people starving and having to resort to eating each other, built an olympic stadumn because they thought they should co-host the olympics with South Korea...they are nuts and in fact pretty scarey. They threaten us with nukes...I don't remember Vietnam trying to get sanctions lifted in that way..did they? I don't remember. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 10:47:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 49101
I'll look into that. As for them being "Nuts" it is thier government that is corrupt, not its' people. By opneing free trade it was thoguht to perhaps be better for the welfare of the people, perhaps trade would have brought profit to a country who's people are starving? |
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Date: 10/8/2004 11:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
In the article you posted it says "The free trade agreement awaiting approval by Congress can help build those ties." CONGRESS, not Bush, it's up to Congress to pass legislature dealing with North Korea, so why are you upset at Bush for North Korea and not Congress? As for your thing about Taxpayers funding these things, Congress makes the budget, Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution again Congress makes the laws concerning taxes and the budget, not the President. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 12:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 49101
Oh trust me, I am certainly not happy with MANY of the people running our country today, but the person who stands for what the people believe in, and is supposed to represent the decisions and general concensus of the people of the nation IS the president no matter how you look at it Base. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 1:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
Show me where in the Constitution that that's in the job description of the President? That's what you elect Congress to do since they're the ones who make the laws. You may think in your mind that that's the President's job but that doesn't make it so. To provide for the common welfare of the people falls under Congress. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 1:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 49101
Well Base that virtually leaves the POTUS without a single thing to do lol! We elect our resident because he is the person responsible for representing what we want as a people. Let me go and find that info you requested. brb |
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Date: 10/8/2004 1:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 49101
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; To establish post offices and post roads; To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court; To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; To provide and maintain a navy; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof. There is section 8 for you to tango with. Congress does have the power to call for war, but the president has the power to do so without a popular vote or congressional approval for thirty days. Which I believe is what yuo were asking. I will still be looking for that information.  |
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Date: 10/8/2004 1:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
"We elect our resident because he is the person responsible for representing what we want as a people." No, the President's job is Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment. He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments. The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session. Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States......The President meets with foreign heads of states, diplomats, etc. the job of the President is mainly in foreign affairs, the President has limited power, most people are just uniformed. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 1:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 49101
Base, if that were tru, then there would no point in voting for a presidfent at all. You and I BOTH know that the president is elected because his beliefs are what represent what the people want. If he has no more than those responsibilites would you care to explain how it is possible that the Bush administration has managed to take us YEARS in reverse on issues such as stem cell research? There are numerous other issues the same as this one which could be addressed outside of the presidents list of responsibilities. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 1:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
No, Miss C, the framers of the Constitution made the constitution with a separation of powers because they knew the dangers of one person having too much power. Our Constitution is set up so that the President deals mainly in foreign affairs, that doesn't make the job useless, it just keeps things evenly balanced. Just because you can't seem to comprehend that the President isn't as all powerful as you've always believed doesn't change the way the government is set up. As far as the Bush administration and stem cell research, Congress, not Bush, even though he may have introduced the bills passed them into law. Congress has the only power to make laws in this country, what is so hard to understand about that? |
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Date: 10/8/2004 1:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
Date: 10/8/2004 1:48:00 PM ( Your Reply ) From Authorid: 36704 Whether stem cell research is going to be blocked or passed, or resolutions against gay marriage etc. is going to be based on the make up of congress, whether the majority is democratic or republican, conservative or liberal. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 2:18:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 49101
You are right, congress shares the power, but it does not change the fact that president is supposed to represent the people. He should represent the beliefs of the people and what the people want. He should not however LIE to the American people to push for a war. He wanted the peoples support and he got, Under FALSE PRETENSES. And the reason for that is that we also vote the people of congress to thier seats, and they also represent what the people want. It is a cycle. |
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Date: 10/8/2004 2:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 49101
The point of thse two posts and the ones to follow are not to argue who has the power to do what, the point is to let people know what the views and Actions of the president are. I have heard time and time again for people to point out what Kerrys' views are, and once I am done with the Bush points I will move on to Kerry. |
Date: 10/8/2004 2:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Gen Wesley Clark: "An officer called me in, and he said, “Sir, you heard the joke?” And it wasn't a joke. It was this typical Pentagon sophisticated hallway humor. I said, “No, I haven't” and he said, “If Saddam Hussein didn't do 9/11, thats too bad -- we're gonna get 'em anyway.”  |
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Date: 10/8/2004 2:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/19/60II/main584548.shtml |
Date: 10/9/2004 12:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 62752
wow! after all that reading there is nothing to say, no reason to fight, no man is perfect and if a president messes up.. wow they have done it then, but perfect is a long way away from being a moron thats all i have to say  |
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