Date: 9/21/2004 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
This war is about terrorist. Those people who flew our own airplanes into landmarks on our own land. I didn't see the whole picture before, but oil and gas are still cheap, human life isn't though. People being beheaded because of the reasons stated before the killer grabs an hostage and saws off the head don't equate for me. If we run home now, it's over, we will never be safe again. We may have to get harder, tougher, and realize that this just won't go away because we "leave".  |
Date: 9/21/2004 9:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 15157
No doubt I agree with the bringing home part. Some things that happen in war-time...is best left where it happens. To us civilians...we have no idea what goings on over there...The harsh conditions our Forces face over in unfamilair lands. Another thing is when we have prisoners...we give em 3 hots and a cot. When these 3rd world countries have prisoners they simply KILL without Mercy. These prisoners over there...in Our care probably have more food in prison than in their everyday life. As for the Torture part...I do not agree it was nessasary but that is my view as a civilian...not as a soldier being given orders and following them. This is IMHO  |
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Date: 9/21/2004 9:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I no longer believe that the world will be safe, if we "leave" and stay home, we've been there and done that. I believe some in this global world will kill and kill until they not only have their country living within their religious belief, but they will expand and continue to try taking over US landmarks and killing US civilians. There is a reality here that we must not lose sight of. Terrorists must be stopped, we start somewhere, we took a stand at some point, and there we are. And if we give up? How are we ever safer? And how are we to know? |
Date: 9/21/2004 9:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 34476
I think that you are wrong. I think that you need to take a LOOOOONG hard look at what happened to all of those poor children in Russia ....... and then ask yourself what could they have possibly done to deserve their fate. Those could be OUR children in those little miniature graves ... I, for one, think that it is extremely short-sighed to think that the war in Iraq is merely about oil, wmd's, "torture" of prisoners OR partisan politics. (btw --lookup what REAL torture is. A neat place to start is the history of the Abu Graib prison under Saddam's regime... or Saddam's sons... or the Kurdish history over the last 20+ years)  |
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Date: 9/21/2004 10:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I agree with Paranoid, if they took our planes, they can take our schools, and I can't imagine my own living through or dying from some militant cause that defies human humanity. Children died on 9/11 and again and they in Iraq, but we must stand against those who would kill our own for their own cause, who have no concern for humanity and live and die for their own causes and why, WHY can we not allow that each individual does have a choice, unless they are in the military whose head they choose to chop off and for what purpose. And our military has come under some severe pressure. They are being held ACCCOUNTABLE now more than ever. Americans are so nice and when it comes to war, just can't realize unless perhaps they or their loved ones are or become a "victim" of this, war. |
Date: 9/21/2004 11:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
Stargazer, if the war is actually about the quest for oil and the other mistakes the President has made, do you support the return of Saddam to power? In your opinion, is there ever a just reason to go to war?  |
Date: 9/22/2004 12:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 4309
Whats sad is when the People BeHeading people are the U.S. and the people believe the magical glowing box too much. Poor Nick Berg's Family I hope thier LAWSUITS pan out without NON-DISCLOSURES. I hope they stop beheading people with Jumpsuits and Handcuffs still on   |
Date: 9/22/2004 12:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 4309
Economy doesn't prosper at all but you can sure raise the defence budget 40 big ones but give it all to make a Crusader missile that you scrap anyway all for the Carlyle group United Defence and then rebuild whatever you destroy with 200 billion dollars (Mostly to Carlyle funny thing haha) and you do not care as a people nor even believe 200 billion dollars was misappropiated till you see it in a mud slinging add by the supposed demorcratic nominee Kerry. TV got to believe and worship it  |
Date: 9/22/2004 4:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 55386
Wow, and just earlier I was complaining about this. Honestly, Bush has no right in Iraq. We wonder why everything is so messed up. While Bush is in Iraq with millions of dollars, killing people, supposedly making Iraq better (they need Liberty he says) he barely notices the children and old people in America dying of their own poverty. Maybe he should focus on his own country which is going down the drain. Saddam, no, he should not get full power, he shouldn't get any, but get someone, I don't know how the Iraqi system works, but get someone to rule their country, and leave them alone for once. I don't see how Russia has much to do with this, even tho it has had it's share of terrorism. Does anyone know who, or what nationality it was? I haven't heard anything of the sort. Bush should stick to his own country, this isn't like his toys like his father used to buy him. These are peoples lives. Put yourself in Iraq's place. I wouldn't be proud of my president if he could kill and try and take over a nation just for money and oil (yes I believe that is why he did). But hey, I'm not American, and I'm not Iraqi, but it's time to look at it from the Iraqi's view, not ours.  |
Date: 9/22/2004 4:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 46530
The problem with trying to rationalise war is that people are people. They are incapable of removing the emotional tie to others that they rightly have. A terrorist does not have that tie, and neither does a dictator, to them an enemy is an enemy, whether they be male, female, child or pensioner. When we see 150 kids being slaughtered we see 150 kids, to the Chechens they are all russians. As for the Iraq war, it is nothing to do with 9/11, nothing to do with terrorism, nothing to do with the war on terror. GWB simply finished what he thought his dad should have. We already know that he had Iraq on his mind BEFORE 9/11. I guess Al-Qaeda gave him the excuse he needed to carry out his "plan"  |
Date: 9/22/2004 5:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 62876
What Paranoid and Brenda said!! However, I do think that we are using all our energy and resources to help Iraq get on their feet, and we need to focus on stronger border security here. We need to focus on making sure that what happened in Russia DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE, and that we do not have another 9/11. I personally do not feel that they have done all that they can to secure the US. I was watching a show on terrorism and some reporter was riding around with this terrorist type guy. He was going on and on about how weak our security is and how easy it would be to get into our country and do whatever it would take to create their kind of chaos. I think we need to focus HARD on that. To me, if it calls for little or no immigration, then so be it. Times are different than they were when a lot of our ancestors came over....HipChik  |
Date: 9/22/2004 5:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 62801
As long as there is evil in this world, war is necessary. *LoveisAll*  |
Date: 9/22/2004 6:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
62801 - Evil is relative, by your theory war will end when everything capable of disagreement is dead.  |
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Date: 9/22/2004 9:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 34476
That's interesting, Wiley, 'cuz I rarely watch TV. And I have no favorite news station. I drive my wife nuts by switching through all of the newscasts (local and cable). I do the same with the radio. Talk radio (right and left <--what little there is of left anyways), MPR, local. And the internet. One can find any point of view on any subject from any source here. I do NOT read any newspapers, as it drives me nuts to read most of the drivel and opinion they print as news. Overall, I'd have to say that the TV might provide me with 10% of my news. Maybe. |
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Date: 9/22/2004 9:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 34476
HipChik, that reporter needs to get some common sense. Or HIS boss, anyway. They never should have aired that story! The LAST thing any country needs is the news media broadcasting their weak points. *smacks head on keyboard* Some people just don't get it. |
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Date: 9/22/2004 10:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
Wicked Wiley, are you implying that the U.S. is beheading people? To whom are you referring when you say "they" should stop beheading people? |
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Date: 9/22/2004 10:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
Gothic Angel, you cannot have it both ways. If you think "Bush has no right in Iraq," then you believe we shouldn't have removed Saddam. It seems to me, therefore, that you think Saddam's plan for Iraq was better than ours was. Your allegation that Bush took over the country "just for money and oil" is false: we need neither. |
Date: 9/23/2004 8:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
If wars had never happened and our country had never taken part in them...you wouldn't be allowed to so freely give your opinion right now. Our entire way of life and all of it's freedoms are because of the sacrifices we have suffered...freedom is not ever FREE for anyone.  |
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Date: 9/23/2004 8:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
And I TOTALLY agree with Afrowlt's view on this subject. |
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Date: 9/23/2004 8:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
OOOPPS....I meant I agree with alfrowt's views. Sorry about the misspelling on your name. :O) |
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Date: 9/24/2004 10:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
Thank you, You Choose. I apologize that the last letter looks like a "t;" it should be an "i." |
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Date: 9/25/2004 6:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I'll try to remember that! :O) |
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