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Date: 9/21/2004 6:08:00 AM From Authorid: 25390 I just thought I would throw a log on the fire. I was listening to the radio this morning. One of the DJs ran into an Iraqi man that immigrated to the United States after the Gulf War. Most of his family, including his mother, still live in Iraq. Last month, he went back to Iraq for the first time in 15 years. He told the DJ that Iraq is getting better. He also stated that most of the terrorists and militants fighting the US in Iraq are not Iraqi, but people from over Iraqi borders. Mostly Siryia and Pakistani men looking to put a price on Bush's head. He also stated to "vote for Bush." I just thought that was interesting. The voice of one man, yes. But the voice of a man who has lived under Sadaam. |
Date: 9/21/2004 6:46:00 AM From Authorid: 15228 So now he's against the war in Iraq? Guess the wind must be blowing from the south today. |
Date: 9/21/2004 6:52:00 AM From Authorid: 25390 LOL Kelly. I was thinking the same thing. |
Date: 9/21/2004 6:53:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 29532 Kelly, he's not against it in this letter, he's not exactly for it, but what he is trying to say is, we have made mistakes over there that cost us alot. It's time to un do the mistakes and make it right and free those people asap. |
Date: 9/21/2004 7:06:00 AM From Authorid: 61977 Interesting!! Thanks for sharing this with us. (-: |
Date: 9/21/2004 7:39:00 AM From Authorid: 13119 It doesn't matter what you post and how good it seems there is always rabid bush fanatics who will not listen. I enjoyed reading this and think that there is some very valid points being made. thank you for sharing it. |
Date: 9/21/2004 8:11:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 29532 Magoo, I agree. No one will ever just shush when it comes to their oppinion, but isn't that a great thing? I encourage those who oppose Kerry to speak, but will never sway my vote. I adore Kerry's campaign and I am part of it. |
Date: 9/21/2004 10:44:00 AM From Authorid: 53284 I heard a radio interview with two women from Iraq this weekend. They both think that things are getting better. They talked about schools and jobs. Both said that they thanked the american people for sending their sons and daughters to Iraq to help the Iraq people. It was significantly different than what I see on TV on the nightly news. But I guess with the recent developments of CBS sending info to the democratic party and using forged documents for a story slamming Bush give perspective on what at least CBS chooses to report. Perhaps their is a different version of reality that we are not seeing on the news |
Date: 9/21/2004 11:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Kerry says, ""In fighting the war on terrorism, my principles are straight forward. The terrorists are beyond reason. We must destroy them. As president, I will do whatever it takes, as long as it takes, to defeat our enemies. But billions of people around the world yearning for a better life are open to America's ideals. We must reach them. """ So what does this take for us to reach them? Doing as bush is doing and fighting this terroism war in other countries instead of on america soil or Kerry like he did in the past, during the days of the vietnam war, sitting at a anti war ralley where Jane fonda was at and come against the war vets? |
Date: 9/21/2004 11:42:00 AM From Authorid: 17081 Good point Kelly. At least I know where Bush stands. I know Bush will not fight a "sensitive" war. He will go after the bad guy. Kerry will let them attack us and do nothing about it. |
Date: 9/21/2004 11:54:00 AM From Authorid: 48812 So those who are willing to listen to the truth about what's going on, are rabid fanatics who don't listen at all? Fascinating, how that apparently works. Yes, let us bow down to the anti-war propoganda shown on TV, and let us stare at the black dot on the white paper. O.O |
Date: 9/21/2004 12:37:00 PM From Authorid: 58308 Kerry is an IDIOT!!! I am a Bush fan ALL THE WAY!!! RABID AS I AM! Argh! *takes a bite out of Kerry's butt* |
Date: 9/21/2004 12:49:00 PM From Authorid: 2030 Kerry also said just 3 days ago that he wants to bring in our "allies" France and Germany into the war effort and allow them to "participate" in re-developeing Iraq's oil and gas industry. Hmmmm? Sounds like blood for oil to me. |
Date: 9/21/2004 1:18:00 PM From Authorid: 2030 Also having actually read all of that I offer a few insights. Much of what he said are self evident truths. Some are half truths, some are just conjecture or spin. What I see much of here is "Bush did this, Bush didn't do this, Bush should do this". I ask, What will John Kerry do? Bush is wrong, Bush is dumb, Bush is a liar are all very poor campaign slogans. Where is Kerry right? Why will he be better and how is he going to do better? For 4 years since the day Bush won the 2000 election it has been attack, attack, attack. Show ME, That's right Show Me a better alternative, a proven better alternative. I'll be waiting. |
Date: 9/21/2004 2:25:00 PM From Authorid: 35720 Both candidates are idiots in my opinion.. I don't even know who to vote for.. I guess I'll pick the one I end up hating the least in the end. |
Date: 9/21/2004 2:54:00 PM From Authorid: 16671 LOL at Zeebs. LOL, Yep bcar, kerry suddenly wants to do what bush is already doing, and calling it a *new * Idea. LOL yep kerry is all for calling bush a liar, dumb ect ect bcar, and he keeps telling how he WOULD have did it differnt, WOULD do it better, But Gee he reminds me a lot of my dad, always saying he has the key to humanities woes, but NEVER coming up with that key of explanation. |
Date: 9/21/2004 2:58:00 PM From Authorid: 34487 Hmmm...I can't wait for what he sends out next week because I just KNOW it will say the total OPPOSITE of what this does. This guy makes me laugh. I'm sorry but the guy is a JOKE. |
Date: 9/21/2004 3:03:00 PM From Authorid: 34487 There's a scene from the movie "The Grinch" where he's in his cave and he's yelling at himself to hear his echo. I don't know why but everytime I watch that and he yells "I'm an idiot" and his echo replies "you're an idiot"...I always think of John Kerry. |
Date: 9/21/2004 3:13:00 PM From Authorid: 16671 LOL you choose. |
Date: 9/21/2004 4:01:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 Regardless of what either party says, Bush has screwed up in the war on terror, as well as the war in Iraq. Afghanistan was an early success because we used the right troops for the job, troops trained to fight a guerilla type war on the same terms as those they were fighting. Iraq has turned into a different story. While we used massive troop deployment to gain initial success, many of those same troops are not properly trained for the type of mission they must face now. It is true that many of the insurgents are not Iraqi. A lot of them are Syrian. Syria has been a major thorn in our side for years. In fact, Syria was a safe haven for terrorist as far back as our time in Lebanon, and in fact, Syria wa suppoerting those militants who wre against us then. It is time someone woke up and took a good hard look at our real enemies, and did something about them. Unfortunately, it will never happen with Bush. |
Date: 9/21/2004 7:19:00 PM From Authorid: 58308 . . . and it sure as crap won't happen with Kerry. |
Date: 9/21/2004 9:50:00 PM From Authorid: 12341 Bcar and some others are right. What is his plan, how would he do it better and at what cost and to whom. Lip service is cheap. I think if we look back at our planes flying into our buildings, our landmarks, we might have a clue why. Fighting terror isn't the same as fighting World Wars. We are fighting AGAINST against almost medievil ways of thinking, we can accept it and be slaughtered in some way or realize that while we were caught up in eight years of a Presidency that will be remembered more for dress stains, cigars, and lies we must now face some truth and realize the world isn't just about the US and some people hate us, a lot. |
Date: 9/21/2004 9:54:00 PM From Authorid: 15157 John Kerry is a joke....a wishy washy sort. Do we really want a man like this as our new President? |
Date: 9/21/2004 9:58:00 PM From Authorid: 12341 And WHEN is he going to tell us how he will 'bring the troops home, and will that be the answer? Will be any safer than that time when our planes flew into landmarks and killed thousands of US citizens on this soil, and how are now NOT a greater target of future attacks here in the US and can we depend on "leaving Iraq" as being enough to end this war with terrorists. And WHY did they want the war and where would THEY have it end? Considering they don't mind dying for their cause and I don't have one, I just can't help but depend on on those who have taken an extreme stand against terror in the US. |
Date: 9/21/2004 10:02:00 PM From Authorid: 12341 Countries run by dictators or military insurgents are rarely Free people, we need to look at the larger more global aspect, not just the US, but the entire Middle East, and where we will take our place and what stand we take against government based entirely on religion or the atrocities being committed against people that are just slaughter of the human race. |
Date: 9/21/2004 10:52:00 PM From Authorid: 16671 LOL once again at ZEEBS, yep your right hon, it SURE wont happen with kerry. *knods head* at kiki, yep wishy washy. |
Date: 9/21/2004 10:54:00 PM From Authorid: 37900 If Senator Kerry wants to become the next President of the United States, he needs to become more proactive in his campaigning. Waiting for President Bush to make a statement so the Senator can tell us why it is wrong is not enough to convince undecided voters that Mr. Kerry should be the next leader of the free world. [How many people are going to buy a Ford simply because Ford management criticizes all other automotive brands?] The Senator needs to confront the tough questions without worrying how much of his support is going to erode. For example, how does he propose to build an alliance of countries that have already stated their objection this war? What would he do if such a coalition could not be formed? If the war in Iraq is wrong, does he support the reinstatement of Saddam to power? I suspect that there will be 30% of voters that will vote for either candidate regardless; Senator Kerry needs to define himself as a leader to win the confidence of the remaining 40%. By reacting to the President instead of making the case for his own leadership ability, the Senator risks being defined by the GOP as an indecisive liberal. If that happens, Mr. Kerry cannot win. |
Date: 9/22/2004 4:50:00 AM From Authorid: 47296 Well, I guess the Bush people believe sending thousands of troops to Iraq for God knows how long is the answer. It is not. Alright retention is dropping in the military. In other words, people are getting out as they are able to. A sure sign that moral is not good. Once again, it is time to use the right troops for the task at hand, troops trained to do the job in a certain way. Bush believes in using masive numbers of troops. At least Kerry knows there are troops who are trained for the task. |
Date: 9/23/2004 10:26:00 AM From Authorid: 15157 Ok so when Kerry comes into office (God FOBID!) Whats is his first directive?...Bring back ALL the US troops? I think not! |
Date: 9/23/2004 4:56:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 Kiki, one does not use a sledge hammer to perform brain surgery, and you do not use a massive number of troops to defeat terrorists. There are quite a few units I can think of that are trained for the task of counter terrorism. The war in Iraq i days gone by would have been called partisan warfare. Today we call it terrorist warfare. The fact is we are being fought by people who can attack us at will, and then blend back into the area they are in wihtout anyone ever being the wiser. In every war that has ever been fought where the occupiers remained, there has been this type of warfare, and the occupiers have never managed to defeat those who were attacking them. There is nothing Bush or Kerry can do to make it any different this time. The only difference is that at least Kerry knows that fact. |
Date: 9/27/2004 10:03:00 AM From Authorid: 23959 I cannot stand Kerry! He just tells us what we want to hear. If he gets elected as president, we are honestly considering moving out of this country. He scares me, on his views about the war in Iraq. I feel safe with Bush as our president, and think he is doing a wonderful job! |
Date: 9/27/2004 12:54:00 PM From Authorid: 24924 quote: "I just can't help but depend on on those who have taken an extreme stand against terror in the US"..... EVEN IF that "extreme stand" is WRONG? Even if it makes us LESS secure? Even IF it only creates MORE terrorists, and incites and inflames even more hatred and determination ? |
Date: 9/27/2004 1:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
BUSH got us sidetracked into a costly and dangerous war with a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. Remember Bush shouting out: "Mission Accomplished!"? Yeah,,,,,sure; we're gonna be there for years to come. The people we are fighting in Sadr City, Fallujah and elsewhere had nothing to do with either 9/11, weapons of mass destruction, or terrorism. We are creating far more new terrorists than we are killing. Bush's unjustified invasion of Iraq is a very valuable recruitment tool for Al Qaeda. How can this possibly make America safer? We're C R E A T I N G NEW terrorists!! Iraq has turned into into a haven and recruiting center for them. Pouring into Iraq from many countries, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia...... The loss of over 1,000 American lives; over 8,000 Iraqi's; Amerrica is alienated , hated, and laughed by the world. By cutting short, depleting and cutting badly needed $$$ resources for our own welfare here at home, instead of strengthening and fortifying our nations borders, intelligence gathering and cooperation/sharing methods, Bush is doing a bang-up job of destroying any credibility we ever had on the whole World stage. The Bush administration can repeat a lie over and over and over times a thousand and and turn it into the accepted "truth" by using SCARE and SMEAR. He is very good at it; some say the best. I tend to agree. Yeah, Shimmer, BUSH is the one who tells people what he KNOWS you want to hear.....and you lap it up....swallow it hook, line and sinker. Here, would you like another cup of the People's Temple...er, BUSH Co Kool-aid now? |
Date: 9/27/2004 1:08:00 PM From Authorid: 24924 quote: "Once again, it is time to use the right troops for the task at hand, troops trained to do the job in a certain way. Bush believes in using massive numbers of troops. At least Kerry knows there are troops who are trained for the task." TwoSpirit, even I, being a non-military person understands what you are saying. Unfortunately, the Bush supporters don't get it; neither do they even want to understand it. Thank you anyway for saying it. |
Date: 9/27/2004 6:21:00 PM From Authorid: 34487 Oh yah...that's it Thinker...we all just "don't get it" and you do. LOL...that's funny and quite an arrogant opinion might I add. No offense but if I were you. I wouldn't be so SURE you always know what the truth is, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment. |
Date: 9/27/2004 9:30:00 PM From Authorid: 12341 This statement and what he said and what he wrote is enormous. I'm still not sure myself. I've gone beyond my own limits and watched the vidios of or parts of the "beheadings", I can't imagine that unthinkable "terror", goes beyond my imagination. Even beyond what happened on September 11, 2001. Civilians reduced to slaughter likes pigs, for what cause? And how weak or how mighty will we meet that challenge. For sure, it won't end in Iraq. Too much lives lost and too much going on in the world arena. Get ready, the unspeakable is upon us and the man who leads us now will have more responsibility than ever to atone for. His credibility will have to stand before the world and he will have no defense, only a passion for a world not held back by age old religion and terrorists who hack off heads by extremists in back rooms with camcorders televising their monster deeds, so be careful, and choose wisely, for we all have a huge stake now at what happens in our world and the descision we make will be mean more than it ever has in any of our lifetimes. Regardless of our election, terrorism will never go away in our lifetime, we must worry now about countries and ties that combine explosives with nuclear technology. |
Date: 9/27/2004 10:09:00 PM From Authorid: 12341 Thinker, I have young grandsons who will someday be called to fight for this country, and I see this war going further, much further than we have any realization for at this point. We can't bury our head and hope that discontent in the world will go away. This enemy is here to stay. When you watch a man having his head sawed off in the name of religion and personal conviction and hear his screams and then when his vocal cords are severed and you only hear his blood screams, all else becomes less political, they each have many lives weighing upon them and whichever one is elected will be called upon to make descisions that will be more global, and that is now our call. We can sit and wait for more and different acts of terror on our own people or fight back. The US is a very young country, I can trace my ancestors back to the earliest war, who fought with Washington for freedom in this country. I don't see how this is any different today, except for time and place. We either recognize the global reality or not. It isn't eleventh century believers I worry about and their abilities "to win the war" against "the Great Satan" as much as those who rally to their cause and have alliance to their beliefs. |
Date: 9/27/2004 10:13:00 PM From Authorid: 12341 I don't believe "terror" is being created in the US, these countries do a fine job "defining" hatred on their own. |
Date: 9/28/2004 6:57:00 AM From Authorid: 2030 Insults and Caps.. Thinker is back. |
Date: 9/28/2004 8:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 24924
What hypocrisy! All over the place I see insults hurled , claiming Kerry suporters are Dumb---'s but hey, that is speaking the "truth". As expected, you are always back with the same ole same old garbage. You need to go back up there on this post and look at several of your buddies who also use caps and insults. Perhaps you don't notice when it is a Bush supporter. Oh Whatever, this same crap has been said to me before; and the same things have been said in reply, same charges been explained and been refuted, yada yada yada. Nothing changes around here. Kinda like the whole BUSH gang thang goin' on..... Anyone who dares throw it back; they are labeled and told that they are "arrogant". These peeps need to turn off the FOX news. |
Date: 9/28/2004 8:28:00 AM From Authorid: 34487 I don't EVER recall seeing anyone that's posted here calling anyone that is a Kerry supporter "dumb." |
Date: 9/28/2004 8:34:00 AM From Authorid: 34487 I watch NBC and CNN primarily but yes, I also watch Fox. I listen to well-rounded and objective resources and they substantiate my opinions. |
Date: 9/28/2004 3:21:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 There is a trend I see that is somewhat surprising. I see people who take their freddoms and liberties seriously willing to vote for the man most likely to take those freedoms and liberties away, all in the name of national security. If people believe their security is worth giving up what so many have fought and died for, then they do not deserve either freedom or security. |
Date: 9/28/2004 3:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
I agree, TrueSpirit. Brenda, "do nothing" is not what ANYONE is proposing. There are many many other things that could and should have been done. What has been said is that Bush is totally wrong. And may I remind you Bush ignored warnings long before 9/11. There was absolutely no urgency to go to War. It wasn't like we suddenly discovered some new information that led us to think Saddam was going to do something horrible in the next few months or even years. (Did you read the Commission's report?) We had the time, we had the leverage, and we had UN inspectors in the country (with much more free access than ever before), and we even controlled the skys above about 1/2 of Iraq (protecting then friendly populations in the Northern and Southern "no-fly" zones). Many people sat in a war cabinet with Bush. Civilian casualties were discussed, estimated. Then chosen over other alternatives. The notion of 'pre-emptive military action' based solely on the possibility that one day a country MIGHT have the capability to potentially pose a threat to the US is ludicrous. Intentionally killing civilians is the terrorists calling card. The USA Intentionally killing thousands of civilians, and then calling it "collateral damage" is what we do. Fancy wordsmithing to gloss over and hornswoggle the American public. |
Date: 9/29/2004 9:09:00 PM From Authorid: 34487 TwoSpirit...I have no idea why you would make a comment like that. SO let me get this right, because someone supports Bush...they deserve no freedom or rights? LOL...okay, let's all vote for a guy (who I call, SCARY KERRY), who is TOTALLY CLUELESS because if we do that shows we deserve our freedom? UH, I don't think so. OUR freedom, entitles EVERYONE to vote for whom EVER they choose. It means they're utilizing and respecting their rights by voting for the candidate of THEIR choice, not yours. |
Date: 9/29/2004 9:15:00 PM From Authorid: 34487 Thinker, so Bush had SO much time to prevent the attacks on 9-11? LOL...yah, he was in office for a measely 9 MONTHS prior to them. And let's SEE....Oh, Clinton was in office for how many years BEFORE BUSH?? OH, 8 YEARS...and he sat on his duff & chased interns along the way while IGNORING the information provided to him. I guess because he's a democrat and liberal, he holds no responsibility in the matter huh? Interesting. |
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