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Date: 8/23/2004 8:18:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 After someone very close to my family was murdered, we wondered why she didn't drive her car into something when she was abducted. I'm sure she was very frightened and never expected to die that day. |
Date: 8/23/2004 8:22:00 PM From Authorid: 33573 Interesting post and could be very useful, Thank for sharing! |
Date: 8/23/2004 8:47:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 After losing someone who was murdered, with no reason, bringing awareness is something I just have to do. |
Date: 8/23/2004 8:49:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Peggy was abducted during the daytime, in view of others, at least we believe so. She was taken from a strip mall and then tortured, raped, and after all that, she was murdered. |
Date: 8/23/2004 8:58:00 PM From Authorid: 35160 very good info here. thank you for sharing this hun. |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:01:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Thanks Shay for reading it! Be safe! |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:03:00 PM From Authorid: 50434 Thanks I will pas it on.... |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:05:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Thanks for reading StarBright! |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:07:00 PM From Authorid: 16373 I'm sorry that happened to someone close to your family. Thx for the post. The tips are very helpful. Even when I get into my car I don't always look around and stuff. That's someting everybody should do tho in this day and time. It's really sad that we have to be extra careful about stuff like this. This world is getting to be a very scary place! ~~BeeBop~~ |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:11:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 BeeBop, thanks for reading. This is so important to me. Peggy was lost for seven months before her body was found. It was a horrible time. We knew she was gone, but not knowing where her remains were was the worst of is all. |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:17:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Me too, Sweetie, but Peggy was the same way as Brooke, she could never have imagined something so horrible happening to her. In our world, it just never could have been possible. |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:21:00 PM From Authorid: 20750 Thank you for this wonderful & valid info! I really hope it saves someone's life tonight, tomorrow, and on! |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:23:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Thanks for reading and caring so much. |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:28:00 PM From Authorid: 49889 My God, That is truly scarey. Mainly because I know for a fact that I wouldnt think twice (neither would the females of my family) about opening a door if I heard a baby crying. Thanks for the post-you might have saved a few lives!! |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:32:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Being aware of all the tricks used by a killer may help save any one of us. Thanks for reading. |
Date: 8/23/2004 9:53:00 PM From Authorid: 10344 All great words of wisdom. Did your friend ever tell you if it was a baby outside of her friends house? Just curious. |
Date: 8/23/2004 10:02:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 No, she was abducted from a shopping center. Taken to a remote area and killed, after being raped and tortured. |
Date: 8/23/2004 10:03:00 PM From Authorid: 62842 Helpful post. Thanks for sharing it. ~Sairth |
Date: 8/23/2004 10:05:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Thanks for reading, Sairth. |
Date: 8/23/2004 10:07:00 PM From Authorid: 3648 Great info, that I will be sure to think about when traveling even when it's just to the store. We all ways think we are safe when in reality we really are not...a attacker can attack at any given time. Being aware makes you less likely to become anyone's victim...In honesty when I go to a mall such as I did this past week for school stuff for my kids. I made sure my boys were with me at all times....All 3 are rather big in size...I myself am rather small so I felt more safe with them with me... I'm truly sorry that happened to Peggy, it breaks mt heart ....Thank you for sharing this info with us in turn it may safe a life... |
Date: 8/23/2004 10:13:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Thanks Grey Eyed Girl, the one I and my youngest daughter took note of was being locked in a car trunk and how to escape or be noticed. |
Date: 8/23/2004 10:30:00 PM From Authorid: 53909 Very good info. Thanks for sharing this with us. |
Date: 8/23/2004 10:32:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Thanks for reading, and replying. |
Date: 8/24/2004 1:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 62793
I took karate for many years and fortunatly for me, one of my main instructors was a very nice 5 foot tall lady. She thought it was important to teach us girls women's self defense on top of what we already had to learn. Here is some stuff that she taught us that could be important if any of you ever get attacked. 1. Never make yourself look like a victim. There are so many women that I see walking around who walk with their arms folded over themselves and their eyes downcast. This projects and image of "please don't hurt me," and makes a woman look very vulnerable. I make it a point of making eye contact with every person that I come across. If they know that you've already seen them, chances are they're not gonna bother you. 2. An attacker is gonna try to get you on the ground if he wants to rape you. At some point, he will have to let go of your hands to unzip, hit him as hard as you can in a vulnerable place and run away. 3. Vulnerable places include: the groin, eyes, throat, kidneys, etc. Anything soft and easily damaged. Guys tend to wanna protect their groin more than anything else, so surprise them and try to gouge out their eyes or punch them in the throat. 4. Lastly, if a man grabs you from behind, say for instance around the throat in a headlock, remember to turn your head into the crook of his elbow. He can't block you air from only one side. Also remember that the pinky finger is one of the easiest bones to break...grab it and twist it as hard as you can. |
Date: 8/24/2004 1:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 62793
Oh and P.S. Some people will disagree with me and say to not fight back cuz you could risk getting hurt more...however, my friend learned that the opposite can be true. If you refuse to be the victim, your attacker may just run away. Rape is a crime of power. My friend was leaving college one night and a guy tried to force her into her car at knifepoint. She got pissed and slapped him as hard as she could across the face. It surprised him so much that he ran rather than continue with his attack. I was very proud of her when she told me. ;-) |
Date: 8/24/2004 2:53:00 AM From Authorid: 44960 This is information we can use, thanks for sharing this with us Brenda. (((PrissieHuggzz))) |
Date: 8/24/2004 3:25:00 AM From Authorid: 53360 you know, just the other day, i heard a baby or little kid crying, and instinctly ran out on my balcony to see if there was a lost kid outside somewhere. we live in a quite little apartment complex..one of two in our own little area. the worst crime around here is some punk kids may break a car window to get some cds, or a stereo, but nothing like murder or abductions going on here...but the baby crying thing makes me think twice about the safeness of our neighborhood. thanks for sharing this! |
Date: 8/24/2004 3:35:00 AM From Authorid: 58308 Great post, thanks for sharing! *smiles* |
Date: 8/24/2004 4:31:00 AM From Authorid: 61811 Also, going with number three, sometimes, I think in all new cars they have this glow in the dark thing that can let you open the trunk! I think if you ripped the top and sides and ripped a few plugs, you could open the trunk too. . .but I forget. I saw it on a show once. Good post, thanks for sharing! |
Date: 8/24/2004 5:14:00 AM From Authorid: 48941 Thank you for this post, it brought things to my attention that I have not thought about. |
Date: 8/24/2004 5:15:00 AM From Authorid: 48941 Thank you for this post, it brought things to my attention that I have not thought about. |
Date: 8/24/2004 6:02:00 AM From Authorid: 11341 Im sorry about your friend Brenda, but I thank you for the post. This is a topic that most people dont even want to think about. |
Date: 8/24/2004 6:23:00 AM From Authorid: 59418 Excellent post! |
Date: 8/24/2004 6:59:00 AM From Authorid: 47930 thank you so much for posting this, i copied and sent it to my family and friends. thanks again hugs |
Date: 8/24/2004 7:38:00 AM From Authorid: 22308 this is very useful thanks! |
Date: 8/24/2004 7:55:00 AM From Authorid: 15228 All good advice. I highly recommend the book, 'The Gift of Fear' by Gavin De Becker, I plan on making my daughter read it. |
Date: 8/24/2004 12:39:00 PM From Authorid: 62753 Wow Brenda this is very nice of you to post this .. I have seen it before but it never hurts to remember these rules, and to familairize yoursself with them! I hope non of us ever have to go through this - but it is better safe than sorry ----- and who cares if someone thinks your paranoid - it's a human life, not a chance! THANKS Brenda! Take Care dear... |
Date: 8/24/2004 12:39:00 PM From Authorid: 23959 Thank you for this very informative post. You can never be too careful in this crazy world we live in. Im very sorry about your friend |
Date: 8/24/2004 2:02:00 PM From Authorid: 29262 Wow... This is very useful... ooh It scares me **cries** lol. I will definately remember all this **bookmark** |
Date: 8/24/2004 2:22:00 PM From Authorid: 62367 Thanks for the excellent post about a very nasty subject. The practical tips can help anyone who finds themselves in that terrible situation. |
Date: 8/24/2004 3:44:00 PM From Authorid: 62838 Useful info, thanks... but the thing about Point #8 is... if a person asks for help, I could never say no to them. I can't just assume the worst of a person I don't know because of fears of my safety, and not give them help when they are asking me. Whether they appeared able-bodied or not I would still help them out if they asked me. If somebody hurts me because I respond to their call for help, that's very unfortunate, but it's still what I would do. If anything did happen to me I would definately take all of the other advice above into action.... - Kokoro |
Date: 8/24/2004 5:38:00 PM From Authorid: 62100 I have seen this before, but we can never read it too often...... |
Date: 8/24/2004 5:56:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Kokoro, I know exactly what you mean. It would be hard for me to turn away someone who needed help. And who could not resist checking on a crying baby? Kelly, I want to read that book soon. Seems like I've seen you write about it before. Thanks to all of you for reading and responding. The subject is very important to me, not only because of what happened to Peggy but also my two older girls were almost victims once. They were driving around back when they were teenagers, the older one having her liscense and first car. And they were stopped by a red light, a car pulled up next to them and two guys were in it. The driver brought his arm up and pointed a gun at them, motioning them to pull over. They ran through the red light and drove straight to a police station. When they came home, they were still sobbing and shaking. It was quite awhile before they would go anywhere at night again. And they were more aware WHO was next to them in a car. I think my daughter driving away very fast was the key, but just thinking about them being broadsided by another car while trying to flee was another scarey thought. I've always known we have a high crime rate here, the number of people I've known who were murdered is more than I even like to think about. Most of the children growing up here went to Catholic schools within the neighborhood, including mine. One of my oldest daughter's friends also had a brother who was murdered. Christopher Hammer, I still remember him and his little sister playing around the neighborhood, When he was older, two "so-called" friends, along with one girl, beat him, and then made him dig his own grave. They buried him alive, evidence showed he had lived for a short time and tried to claw his way out. It was particulary brutal because they killed him for his car too. They were caught after selling it for a small amount of money. Shortly after thier trials, Chris' Mother died from brain cancer. I'm sure her grief contributed to her early death. My first husband's aunt lost a graandson a short time back. He worked for a local delivery company and was robbed. His body was found in an empty area in a sewer tile, he had been burned up. Very brutal murders, and I am probably a little paranoid because I knew all these people. |
Date: 8/24/2004 6:09:00 PM From Authorid: 62422 I also watch AMW every saturday night. I practice twice a week in the field of tae kwon do i have a fourth degree black belt so nobody will mess with me. cyndi. |
Date: 8/24/2004 6:31:00 PM From Authorid: 62246 Wow. I'm going to save this to my favorites. I thought I was already paranoid, but now I've got more to add to the list. But I'm afraid that crying baby trick might still work on me. I love babies too much! |
Date: 8/24/2004 6:32:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Not very likely Cyndi! I always wanted to learn martial arts and never did. Sounds like you are quite good! |
Date: 8/24/2004 6:37:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 That's the one that bothered me to Sparky. I wouldn't like to think that I left a child in need of help for my own personal safty. I think we must just be aware of the circumstances and where we are. Probably the biggest thing is just being aware of whom is around us, everywhere. It may sound paranoid, but as much as we would like to, we can't trust everyone. |
Date: 8/24/2004 6:43:00 PM From Authorid: 62246 true. |
Date: 8/24/2004 6:45:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 I remember someone from the neighborhood coming in where I worked quite a few years back. He was older, but liked younger women, and he took up with one who had three or four kids. He lived with his older sister who I remember was very "tart" mouthed and didn't mind telling anyone her opinion. When this girlfriend stopped by the house to call on the elderly sister's brother, her wasn't home so she proceeded to tell her what she thought of the relationship and that she needn't think she was getting any more money from her brother. Long story short, the younger girlfriend stabbed her with scissors and killed her, hiding her in a closet. True story. The brother died shortly after, probably from being a part of what led to his sister's death. Even stranger, he was caucasion, about 70 something and so was the sister, the girlfriend was in her 30's and African American. |
Date: 8/24/2004 6:47:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 ^meant to type, "he" wasn't home. My typing is horrible lately. I promised someone else that I would try a little harder. Makes reading too difficult. |
Date: 8/24/2004 7:57:00 PM From Authorid: 54968 Thanks for posting!! |
Date: 8/24/2004 9:30:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 12341 Thanks for reading Sporti Angel. |
Date: 9/2/2004 9:04:00 AM From Authorid: 12103 wow thanks for sharing. that is really intersting. Especially about the baby crying thing..thats freaky! |
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