Date: 8/23/2004 12:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62675
The article is an editorial but it pretty much sums up my feelings. I would rather be known around the world as the person who did right and gave up the medal then the person who was selfish! That is my opinion though.  |
Date: 8/23/2004 1:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 46527
Given the information in this post Korea should have got it, it should be taken back if not given back freely.  |
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Date: 8/23/2004 1:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62675
I agree. However, the rules state that you have to contest it before moving on to the next aperatise. The Koreans didn't notice it until the next day. So according to the rules Hamm won the medal fair. It is more of an ethics question at this point. Not to mention diplomatice relations. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 1:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 46527
Rather unfair rules! |
Date: 8/23/2004 1:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 25390
In my opinion, Paul Hamm was better all around (except for his fall on the vault, but then again Yang messed up as well), but of course, i am not a judge. If it was a mistake on the judges' behalf, which it was. It was not the fault of Hamm's. I don't think he should be stripped of his medal, but I think he should share it with Yang.  |
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Date: 8/23/2004 1:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62675
I agree!!! I just think that if I were the one in the Koreans shoe's how I would feel. Not to mention why should I keep the Gold when someone else was legitimatly better and earned it. That would weigh on me forever! |
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Date: 8/23/2004 1:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62675
Thank you for your comments. I agree at least share it. It was the judges fault not Hamm's or Korea's. Either way it was a very unfair thing! |
Date: 8/23/2004 1:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 40979
Yes , I would :-)  |
Date: 8/23/2004 1:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
I wouldn't want it if I didn't earn it. I'd have to give it back.  |
Date: 8/23/2004 1:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
its just like the russian's winning the ice dancing and then the olympic committee giving the Canadians a gold as well. If Hann doesn't do the honourable thing then because of all this media attention they will end up giving Yang a gold as well (hopefully)_ Hann is a very bad example of an olympic athlete and his gold medal will be forever tainted by the greedy nature he is exhibiting.  |
Date: 8/23/2004 1:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 16373
Aftere hearing that Yang would of won...yes I would have given the metal to him.  |
Date: 8/23/2004 1:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 37449
But Hamm, performed a performance of which he thought "it was at the time" needed so many points. He delivered.  |
Date: 8/23/2004 1:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 22308
if i earned it the right way, i would keep it but if i hadn't no.  |
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Date: 8/23/2004 1:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
if he only performed just enough to beat the second place person then he wasn't performing like a true athlete and giving the absolute most that he could. He is a whiny little man who has the chance to make himself look like a true winner(not to mention cause him to get many many sponsors) he knows in his heart that he doesn't deserve the award why would he keep it. It does make Americans look bad and we all know that the majority of them are not like this. |
Date: 8/23/2004 2:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
It's not as easy as Hamm just handing over the gold medal. First the Koreans are breaking the rules by protesting after, that isn't allowed in gymnastics. You can't review tapes and then later challenge a score, it has to be during the event. Second the Olympic Committee gave Hamm the gold and he can't just hand over the gold and undermine the Olympic Committee even if people think it's morally right because that could jeopardize him not only in the olympics but the sport of gymnastics at future events. Is it fair to make Hamm jeopardize his career because of a mistake that he didn't make? And third, if Hamm gives the gold to the Korean then the silver medalist would have to give Hamm the silver, and the bronze medalist would have to give up his medal altogether to give it to the original silver medalist. It's not just as easy as Hamm giving up his gold.  |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
The Korean ended up with the bronze so just ignore that part of my comment. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
Base, even if Hamm is not allowed to just give it up he could still make the gesture. He is proving that he wants the gold at all costs. The judges made the mistake and he compounded it by putting out just enough effort to get the gold, if he had worked his heart out and got the absolute best score he could have then there wouldn't be a chance for the Korean to even argue it. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
How do you know he didn't try his best? He can't make the gesture Magoo without facing disciplinary action, and why should he face disciplinary action for something which wasn't his fault. And if the Koreans went by the rules and protested at the correct time it wouldn't be an issue right now. You are not allowed to go back and watch videotapes and then challenge a decision after a meet. It's not allowed, and the Court of Arbitration for sports has already said they will not hear this case. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
And what gesture Magoo, give him the gold medal? Because it's still going to list Hamm as the gold medal winner for the event so what's the point. Hamm will be known as the winner, listed as the winner, Hamm can't change the Olympic standings. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
why would you want to keep the medal when you know it was given in error? how much pride would you have in that medal. how were they to know that the merit was scored too low to start with, they see the final scores not what it started at. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
This is kind of like with the swimmers where the one swimmer did an illegal butterfly kick but the judge didn't catch it at the time. Because the judge didn't catch it at the time he keeps his medal even though the tapes show the illegal move. Should that swimmer give up his medal because it's the right thing to do? I don't see anyone making a fuss about it or getting on his back. He should have been disqualified though but since the official didn't catch it just like in gymnastics they don't allow you to go back and use tapes to contest. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
they show both scores and announce both scores, they just didn't catch it at the time until they went back and watched the tapes |
Date: 8/23/2004 2:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 8278
i would definitly give it back. if i didnt, it would always be on my mind that i didn't actually WIN it. i think the right thing to do would be to give it to the person who did  |
Date: 8/23/2004 2:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 30401
I personally wouldn't. I wouldn't be the same. I would feel like I hadn't won the gold medal fairly.  |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
the swimmer should be disqualified. How can you make a record by cheating? I understand what you are saying but honestly, would you keep it? Would you be adamant that you deserved it? |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
If I was Hamm yes I would, for the simple fact that rules are rules and many things are won on technicalities, especially in certain sports. The same way that a baseball game can't be changed after it's over even if an umpire makes a wrong call. That's the way the game goes. The Koreans had their chance to catch and protest it and they didn't. That's not Hamms fault, regardless of whether it was an error or not the Koreans had their chance and missed it therefore in a sense they forfeited the gold. Hamm did nothing wrong, so to crucify him for it, seems a little ridiculous to me. The swimmer also won his medal fair and square because the official who's job it was to catch the illegal move didn't, so that swimmer is not to blame either. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
then maybe they should allow replays in the swimming events. I don't care if they do keep their medals but don't you think knowing that half the world thinks it is crummy it would affect how you view your medal. Its a question of morals not technicalities. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
Talk about morals, I'd like to know what Hamm did wrong? The Koreans are the ones trying to change the rules so you wanna talk about morals then maybe go chastize them for trying to change them after their guy lost due to their inability to catch a mistake at the time which happens quite often. Do you really think if the roles were reversed the Koreans would back down, no they wouldn't they'd fight until the end to keep their gold medal. The Koreans are trying to change the rules after the fact, I wouldn't call that very moral. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
Where I come from trying to win by changing the rules is called cheating. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
we don't know how the Korean would react if it was him that won by a mistake and to insist that they would do the same thing is wrong. It has nothing to do with where he is from, it has to do with the fact that he must realise now that he did not do a gold medal routine, he did not perform the best out of everyone. He can keep the medal it doesn't matter what matters is the fact that he didn't show any type of compassion or empathy for his fellow athlete that got cheated due to inept judges and his own team that didn't pay attention. I feel sorry for the athlete that performed the best and got ripped off due to other people's incompetance. I don't feel sorry for the poor little boy who got the gold and refuses to even consider the fact that he doesn't deserve it. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 2:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
Why is ok for you to assume that he has no empathy for the Korean if it's not ok to assume how the Koreans would react, and yes the Koreans would because they have in other international gymnastic competitions. From the press releases I've seen Hamm did have empathy but also knows how the sport goes. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 3:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
"I don't feel sorry for the poor little boy who got the gold and refuses to even consider the fact that he doesn't deserve it." He won the medal fair and square by the rules of the competition, so in fact he does deserve it and to try to take away what he rightfully earned by trying to cheat, isn't saying much for the people on the other side. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 3:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
from the press release that I saw he was not caring about anyone but himself and his medal. I was going by what I saw not to a "what if" senario. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 3:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
What he didn't show enough emotion for you? So you're putting your standards on Hamm's display of emotion during a press release and then judging him harshly for it but have a total empathy for another athlete who is trying to cheat to win? Uh ok. |
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Date: 8/23/2004 3:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
we are obviously never going to agree on this, I guess it just comes down to your moral compass. For myself I wouldn't be comfortable keeping an award that I knew I didn't deserve, maybe I did deserve it technically but morally I am in the wrong. I am going to bow out now and leave you to your opinion and me to mine, I don't want this to get nasty or snide (uh ok) Take care. Chris |
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Date: 8/23/2004 3:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
no we won't ever agree because morally I won't ever find it acceptable for someone to try to cheat by expecting the rules to be changed for them to win |
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Date: 8/23/2004 3:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 62838
Yes, I would. I wouldn't want to keep it knowing it wasn't rightly my own. - Kokoro |
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Date: 8/23/2004 3:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 62838
Hmm.... I just read Base's comments... now I'm not sure. I realise now that it isn't as easy as I thought, so in that case I don't know :P. - Kokoro |
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Date: 8/25/2004 7:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 25390
Hey! it's Olympic Tennis between Magoo and Base *looks back and forth* |
Date: 8/27/2004 11:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 31673
Well, I think Paul Hamm should keep it... he earned it. He did nothing wrong. The officials were the ones that proclaimed him the all around champion and gave him the medal. And, in reality, the Korean Gymnast got extra points in the parallel bar competition that he shouldn't have gotten. So it seems like it all balances out and the correct medals were awarded. At the most, the Korean Gymnast should give his bronze medal to the 4th place guy, since there was a 2 tenths deduction not taken. Even if they had given him the correct start value, that 2 tenth deduction would have put the Korean gymnast out of the medals all together.  |
Date: 8/27/2004 11:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 47218
Hey, stop bad mouthing Paul! First of all, he put in a great performance-- he came back from a terrible fall, regained his composure and delivered two great routines. That is a mark of a champion. Secondly, this the FIG's screwup, not Paul's. It's not fair that he's getting the heat for this. I can understand why he wouldn't give up the medal-- he put in a great performance, he won the thing, and now the South Korean's step in and ruin the whole thing for him by doing something that is AGAINST THE RULES, and one judging error, admist probably many,many juding errors gets singled out, and who gets the heat? the people who made the mistake? no, Paul. If I were in his shoes, I would be telling all the bad-mouthers to kiss my white behind, I would.  |
