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Date: 7/14/2004 9:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 62552
Well I personally don't see anything wrong with it, so long as it isn't black magick. I feel it's just spiritual. But then, I'm pagan and practice white magick, like for healing and to get "happy". I agree with you... it does feel very spiritual.  |
Date: 7/14/2004 9:54:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 50678
that is cool, I love healing with like herbs and stuff, I'm really interested in that.  |
Date: 7/14/2004 9:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 46091
Spiritual... people can do acts of good and evil as you said, but channeling natural energies of the body and the earth are not that way... I believe in positive and negative energy in a few practices that may be concidered "pagan".  |
Date: 7/14/2004 9:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 24319
One of my bestfriends is way into it. I don't think of it either way. Whatever tickles your pickle and more power to you.  |
Date: 7/14/2004 9:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Personally I don't care, belief or religion is a personal thing. Keep it there.  |
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Date: 7/14/2004 10:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I'm not trying to be unkind, but religion or personal belief has consequence written all over it, to THOSE who believe or have another opinion. |
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Date: 7/14/2004 10:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 46091
Boy... popular subject. I hope one of the comments was not meant to inhibit the expression of Spirits beliefs. |
Date: 7/14/2004 10:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
WEll this should be interesting if not down right entertaining. BUT I have to go to bed soon so dont know how much I'll get to view.  |
Date: 7/14/2004 10:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 19460
I dont know enough about witchcraft to have an opinion on it. I find it interesting to learn about all sorts of religions, or what have ya, but I just got to realizing that people actually do practice witchcraft. I know that sounds stupid, but I always thought it was just fantasy, ya know? But after being on USM this long, I see alot of people do take it very seriously. I would like to learn about it, not that I am going to become a witch or anything, but just to know what other people believe in and all that.  |
Date: 7/14/2004 10:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 13636
witchcraft is bad mmmmkay   |
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Date: 7/14/2004 10:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 46091
Mr. Mackey has totally changed my opinion, it is bad... but bad meaning good like in a Run DMC tune. |
Date: 7/14/2004 10:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 62787
i find it interesting...i just havent seen any at all..or anyone who believes in it. facinating...- Blade of the Samurai  |
Date: 7/14/2004 10:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 62383
Im at a point studying and checking out a lot of religions and I have checked out witchcraft and wicca. I dont really feel it is bad depending on how you use it, any religion can be bad if put in the wrong perspective if u think about it that way. I like a lot of the beliefs and ideas in it.  |
Date: 7/14/2004 10:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
i find it interesting but would not practice witchcraft myself. i am very interested in medicinal herbs though.  |
Date: 7/14/2004 10:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 17081
I don't believe in magic, curses, etc.  |
Date: 7/14/2004 10:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 62801
My view on Witchcraft is this. I'm sure you know the story of Adam and Eve, where Satan tempts Eve to eat the fruit. In Genesis 3:5 Satan says, "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. So, Satan tempted Eve by saying she could be as god if she just ate the fruit. When you practice Witchcraft aren't you just try to be your own God? You are saying, "I can speak things and they will manifest, I bring things to pass with my imagination, I control my own life, I determine my health, I decide what is right for others, I decide my own fate." Instead of asking God for things and trusting Him for them, aren't you telling him what to do? I think it's kinda like treating God like a dog; you tell Him what to do and He does it. How is that worshipping God? Isn't it like setting yourself up as God? *LoveisAll*  |
Date: 7/14/2004 10:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 49539
I considered myself a Wiccan a year ago or so. Though I do not think it is for me, I still definitely respect those who practice it. I don't believe anything is actually evil. That's just an excuse for man's greed and mistakes. Good can always come from those things that seem "dark."  |
Date: 7/14/2004 11:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 53157
I think it is spiritual. And i dont know a lot on it so i would love to learn more about it because i find it very interesting.  |
Date: 7/14/2004 11:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 62779
i think it all depends on how it's used.... I myself am in it for the good/spiritual part of it. it's a good question... I know a lot of people are sorta put off by the idea of witch craft, and look down on it claiming it's all evil.... I don't understand that, but thats just me. Thanks for the wonderful question ~Angel Wolfe~  |
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Date: 7/14/2004 11:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 62801
I think that you can't judge something by whether or not it is spiritual. Just because something feels good doesn't mean it's right. I imagine adultry feels good at the time. |
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Date: 7/14/2004 11:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 3270
To *Loveisall*. Your comment bothered me. To my understanding, NO. Wicca (to my understanding) is a religion that worships the god and goddess and the beauty and power of nature. Everyone has control over their life and their health. You choose what you eat (health), you choose who you engage in relationships with. No it is not playing god. How can you expect to get things done and achieve your goals without making healthy decisions for yourself? Such as eating healthy foods. Is deciding what to eat, so that you can be a healthy person, playing god? I think not. I thought that self-motivation in bettering yourself was something encouraged by all religions in our society today. Our school systems and social structure encourage it. As well as my local catholic church. Its not asking God to do something for you, it is doing it for youself. There is a thing called the Wiccan Rede. "an ye harm none, do what ye will" Basically, do what you wish so long as you do not harm another person. I would also like to add that Martin Luther King Jr. was a great speaker. He was not trying to be god. He was standing up for what he believed right. And about deciding what is right for others? Wicca has nothing to do with greed or power. In fact, it was witches and other women who were persecuted by the Catholic Church. Is this not the Catholic church deciding what is right or wrong for others? Thousands upon thousands were sentenced to meaningless deaths at the hands of the power-hungry church. I am NOT trying to start a debate on this issue, merely mentioning something of the past. The past is past and what is done is done as sad as it may be.  |
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Date: 7/14/2004 11:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 3270
I am Christian and Jewish. I too decided to learn more about witchcraft. My motivation was that I strongly felt that it was better to have an opinion AFTER I replaced hollywood and childish tales with fact and history. "Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft" Raymond Buckland-- If you are looking to learn more, I found this a great source for background information. |
Date: 7/14/2004 11:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 3270
To Blade of Samurai: I assure you that you have, you probably just did not know it. Witches perform daily tasks just like other people do. They go to the mall, to the grocery store, to the movies. Witches dont walk around in tall pointy hats and black robes you kno  |
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Date: 7/14/2004 11:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 30742
The cool part about witchcraft is having power, Only problem though, if your a bible believing christian who worships the one and only true God, is that it is condemed , forbidden and even destroys your soul. Other wise I would practice witchcraft in a second with no second thoughts or regrets. " LEt no one be found among you who practices destestable things such as , diviation, witchcraft, casting spells or telling of the future or contacting spirits. The Lord hates these things and forbids them. Dueteronomy 18:11 " Those who nmake a practice of lying, who practice magical arts, the sexually immoral, murderers, idolaters. They will stand outside the gates of heaven". Rev 22:15  |
Date: 7/14/2004 11:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
I find it to be very interesting; always have, always will. I've read up on it. And those who say it's evil really need to get their heads checked.  |
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Date: 7/14/2004 11:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 3270
There is only one religion I am against and that is Satanism. The fact that people would willingly serve in a religion that promotes greed and would knowingly stand for everything that is bad in the world bothers me. I've heard historic reports that Satanism was started by Christians who rebelled against the Christian Church's opressive and extremely strict rules. Satanism is the one thing I admit that I choose to be ignorant about. I dont want to have anything to do with it. |
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Date: 7/14/2004 11:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 3270
Ms. Morality- 1st. I do agree with you that "Those who make a practice of lying, the sexually immoral, murderers, idolaters. They will stand outside the gates of heaven." However, I believe that the Bible was changed over the centuries to fit personal agendas and to help men gain power. Think about how easy it would be for a person who wants power, or is already in a position of power, to add things to their benefit? 2nd. Magic is in all religions one way or another. Tarot cards actually have alot of christian influence too. Pope Sylvester II, was regarded as a great Magician. Other practitioners included Pope Leo III, Pope Honorius III, Pope Urban V, Nicephorus, Patriarch of Constantinople; Rudolf II, the German emperor; Charles V of France, the Cardinals Cusa and Cajetan; Bernard de Mirandole, bishop of Caserta; Udairic de Fronsperg, bishop of Trent, and others. |
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Date: 7/14/2004 11:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 62801
There's a difference between the natural and the spirital realm. So, no making a good food choice isn't bad. No, trying to better yourself isn't always bad but it depends about how you go about it. For example, if you rob banks to try to better yourself then it becomes bad.--And who says doing witchcraft isn't harming others wether you realize it or not? I don't believe most religions teach self-motivation. Most religions do however teach self-sacrifice. I believe in forgetting about myself and helping others. The only way to truly better yourself is by helping others.--I don't agree with anything unbiblical the Catholic or any other church does. I used to be in to Wicca by the way. |
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Date: 7/15/2004 12:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 3270
Here is something very interesting. Have you ever given roses to your wife or lover? Roses became assosiated with Romance because of how they were used in Witchcraft. Roses contain certain minerals/vitamins that Witches would give to women to act as a supplement to aid women during childbirth. |
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Date: 7/15/2004 12:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 3270
But there is nothing in Wicca that says to rob banks. Or the greed involved. And that would be breaking the Wiccan Rede "an ye harm none, do what ye will". Also there is the three-fold law. What ever action you take, will return to yourself multiplied by three. If you do a good favor, it will come back to you three times greater. If a bad one, three times worse. Therefor, robbing a bank is not bettering yourselfs. Wiccan leaders and practicers would agree with this. And only a misguided person would do such a thing, no matter what religion they choose. |
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Date: 7/15/2004 12:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 3270
Also, to add to my above statement. There is another part in the Wiccan Rede, "fairly take and fairly give". Why, if you were once 'into' Wicca, you would associate Witchcraft with greed and power is beyond me. For clearly never has Witchcraft ever associated itself with eithar. And CLEARLY discourages any sort of action of greed or power. |
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Date: 7/15/2004 12:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 3270
Here is a link to the full Wiccan Rede (Rede of the Wiccae) http://www.teenwitch.com/REDE.HTM |
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Date: 7/15/2004 12:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 62801
So, I have a question. You are working a spell thus, attracting evil spirits into you home. Then, you have your 4 year old little cousin over for dinner and he gets possesed by one of these spirits. Are you still not harming anyone? |
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Date: 7/15/2004 12:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 62383
If god is all powerful which he is, u cant make him do anything lol. |
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Date: 7/15/2004 1:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 51070
Author 62801, I don't know where you received your information, but I find it to be twisted. Those who use magick to do evil aren't real Wiccans. Real Wiccans believe in white magick - in other words, they don't do harm to people. They have a thing called a threefold law - whatever you do comes back on you three times three times three. So if there's this threat of bad karma coming back on we who study witchcraft, then why in the heck would we go around causing harm to others? I'm sorry, but you need to go read a couple books on witchcraft before you decide to run at the mouth. |
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Date: 7/15/2004 2:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 60992
I'ma ll for it. I really love it and what I've read about it. I've practiced some of it. Too me it's not really magick it's a form of prayer. I really enjoy. But I don't have time too learn more about it or practice more of it. *Canuck Hugs* -des  |
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Date: 7/15/2004 2:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 60992
62801 Why are you rude and disrespectful? Your acting imaturly. Wiccan's don't practice black magick and if they do who says it has to do with spirits? Or as you say Demonic demons. if you don't like what ppl who practice wicca or anything else. Don't respond. If you do try to be nice about it plz.... WTG Creepy Freak couldn't put it any better saying! |
Date: 7/15/2004 5:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 62146
I almost got into it. I decided that the religion reqiured alot of control these are serious forces to deal with and handel. and what if I deicded I did not want to be wiccan no more then how was I meant to reverse my powers and stuff. It also did not sound like a religion for me I like to are storys from those that are wiccan I have nothing aginst it it is just me. it is very powerful forces to deal with. I did not even know much about the gods and goddess what if I did not belive in them. I decided not to get into it. I Do not really follow any other belifes anyway I have my own idea of what happens after death and stuff I do not like following a religion somone else made up anyway. I think wiccan has gone though some rough times with the witch hunts and stuff christianity and wiccan is starting to understand each other and come at peace. when I considered wiccan I never hated christians or anything and I still don't.  |
Date: 7/15/2004 6:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 15677
I believe in wicca and I also believe that you can choose to follow who you want inthe way you want  |
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Date: 7/15/2004 6:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 3270
Here is a link to the full Wiccan Rede (Rede of the Wiccae) http://www.teenwitch.com/REDE.HTM |
Date: 7/15/2004 6:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 27534
Interesting post....My opinion you ask?....it is not my belief and I do not seek to burn witches at the stake. I am the imperfect example of Christian beliefs and I do believe in God. Do I think it possible for real "magic" to be performed.....yes..just like the real power of prayer....but my own religious education makes me question who does it honor and serve. A very enlightening post. I appreciate and thank you for the information and the attitudes with which it has been presented. Thank you for allowing me to express my own opinion.  |
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Date: 7/15/2004 7:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 3270
the practice of summoning spirits, called Ceremonial Magic and is concidered very dangerous. |
Date: 7/15/2004 11:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 58334
Well, it isn't evil. All it is, is using the earth and worshipping it for it's beauty, so no, there isn't anything wrong with it and I follow it a bit by using herbs for healing and such. I drive my mom crazy because both of my window sills are filled with herbs, LOL  |
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Date: 7/15/2004 6:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 50678
WOW, this is very popular, cool, I was just bored when I posted this, lol. Pheonix, I see you are like replieing to everyones comment, I find that cool. I want to say I only do white magick, Witch's don't worship satan they don't even believe in Satan and that is now I am. 62801, "When you practice Witchcraft aren't you just try to be your own God?" No, witches can't have magickal power like you see on Harry Potter, sometimes when you do a spell it might not even work, and most witches are into herbal medicines, in the olden days witches where doctors that used the earth for healing and herbs and that is what most of them do today. There are evil witches that do black magick and I feel they try to be there own God but Witches worship Gods and Goddesses like you. CreepyFreaky, I agree!! The reason why a lot of Christians think it is evil is because they haven't do research on it!! Got Mike, who says we are making God do something? There is no such thing as a one and only true God, Ms. Morality. Wise, I thank you for your comment, I do agree with you. Thank you everyone for your comment, I didn't realize I would have this many comments, lol. |
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Date: 7/15/2004 8:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 30742
SOTLight, You have created a god in your own mind that you feel more comfortable with, one that fits your taste. Kinda like when you eat..you like the food that taste good to you. The God who created you does not fit your taste buds. When you reject His word revealed you, you call Him a liar and deciver. The god you follow blinds your mind and the Jesus you worship is false Jesus. See you decieve yourself when you say you can practice witchcraft and worship the Christian God, not possible, not my words the Bible, which is the word of God, like it or not. while you like to pick and choose what you want to believe about the Bible. Its called idolatry and its the oldest and most popular trend today. i just hope you listen to the Spirit of the true God and not the decieving spirits who are enjoying your willingness to believe lies. So, if your not afraid to investigate your self a bit vist...www.needgod.com But I doubt you will take a challenge because you allow yourself to be controlled by the spirits of the darkness.. |
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Date: 7/15/2004 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 30742
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Gal 5:19-21 |
Date: 7/15/2004 8:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
are you always this annoying ms. morality or are you just putting on a special show just for us?  |
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Date: 7/15/2004 8:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 50678
Ms. Morality, this is not a debate so please don't try and change my beliefs, plus the bible wasn't written by God himself so where is your proof that it is his word? I don't want to debate with you!! Please stop this Ms. Morality, or I will have to delete your comments!! |
Date: 7/16/2004 6:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Well, I'll give my opinion here but it's not to offend anyone it's just how I personally feel. To me, a person can't worship the "Biblical God" and practice witchcraft also. For me, that would be a contradiction since the Bible prohits any practices it deems as "occult" which witchcraft fits into. This is just what I've been taught and what I believe but I do not judge those who choose this path. Life is all about choices and I have known a couple witches and they were nice people. We both respected each other's right to believe as we wish. I also don't believe that all witches are as they are stereotyped to be. They aren't these terrible people who want to harm others. Sure there are bound to be bad apples in EVERY bunch of any religion or belief-system, that's just life. Good post and please don't take anything I said personally or as offensive...it's NOT intended to be, I'm just being honest about my personal beliefs. :O)  |
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Date: 7/16/2004 6:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
oops I made a typo here....this line should read, "that would be a contradiction since the Bible prohiBIts it." |
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Date: 7/16/2004 7:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 50678
You Choose, thankz for you replie, as long as you respect my beliefs I will respect yours, that is all I ask!! thankz |
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Date: 7/16/2004 7:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I try to live by that policy. I've had friends of all faiths and lack there of. I even had a friend that was a satanist and once he found out I was Christian he said he couldn't believe I still wanted to talk to him...LOL. I guess he must have delt with some animosity once he revealed his beliefs to others. I'm confident in my faith and beliefs enough to know that God has only given us the right to judge situations and actions but not each other's souls. Thanks for not being offended by my comment. :O) |
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Date: 7/16/2004 8:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 50678
now could I be offended by your comment, it is why people say I'm wrong so I better change that I hate!! I thought this post was a great idea and it was interesting to see what everyone said. |
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Date: 7/16/2004 8:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 50678
That should be "How could I..." |
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Date: 7/16/2004 9:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
:O) |
Date: 7/16/2004 9:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 62267
I'd be willing to learn but i really don't know if I would practice it. I think it may scare me lol.  |
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Date: 7/17/2004 3:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 13636
all I have to say to many of these comments about "morality" coming into question when it comes to paganism.... Do you mean to say no Christian has commited adultery? What about the VERY well known problem of Catholic priests + altar boys? Homosexuality, child abuse, and the breaking of the oaths they have given to the church and "their Father". One word: sacrilege. Obviously, morality is a problem even in the most straight-laced of circles. |
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Date: 7/17/2004 9:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 50678
What are you talking about BG? Ok I'm confused!! |
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Date: 7/18/2004 12:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 62779
my goodness, open a can of worms and all the fish come out? One thing I can probibly count on to never change, and that is the hot debate over diffrent beliefs. I myself am Pagan, but it's not even about the spells as far as my beliefs go... People have opinions, and their own ways of how the world fuctions. It's sad though that there are still so many people out there who refuse to see the other persons point of view and accept that, just because they believe in something diffrent than you, doesn't make them evil, or bad. Even satan worshipers to a degree... Trust me, I'm not into the satan thing at all.... but I'm not about to try and change them, because that is something that they need to do on their own... I CAN however, try and protect myself and my loved ones from becoming victims to their ways and such.... Anyways... my point? LOVE!!!!!!! LOVE YOURSELF AND EVERYONE, and they will love you!!!!!!!! Warts and all! LoL ~Angel Wolfe~ |
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Date: 7/18/2004 9:14:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 50678
Great replie Angel Wolfe |
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Date: 7/24/2004 9:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 3270
Ms.Morality, while I find it fine that you choose to believe what you do, the fact that you refuse to respect another's own religion and believe then almost plainly insult that person irks me. What you said at the bottom, "So, if your not afraid to investigate your self a bit vist...www.needgod.com But I doubt you will take a challenge because you allow yourself to be controlled by the spirits of the darkness.." Your tact is dishonorable. Witches are known for their openness to ideas and others points of view and fairness. While Christianity is known for the vice versa. I am a Christian myself. The only Christian I have known to be open minded would be my mother. (I love her so much, shes the best!) No doubt that website would be one sided too. Therefor, it is useless to even visit the website. There are always two sides on a coin. Only when both sides are seen can the truth be told. |
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