Date: 7/8/2004 8:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
I saw this before, I think it is awesome and I wish all the prisons would do it. I don't care why someone is in jail, they obviously did something against the law and shouldn't be molly-coddled but deterred.  |
Date: 7/8/2004 8:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 4144
well said magoo!!!  |
Date: 7/8/2004 8:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 37101
I totally agree with Magoo. This sheriff is a real straight shooter. -  |
Date: 7/8/2004 8:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 12103
I'm with magoo as well....its a shame that some of these murders get to sit down, drink coffee and watch cable tv...just getting a free ride if you ask me  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 8:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
MAGOO for PRESIDENT!!!!!! |
Date: 7/8/2004 8:53:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62624
WOO HOO!!!! I'd vote for ya!!  |
Date: 7/8/2004 9:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
WELL ..... see I have to disagree.... have you ever seen a prison first hand, walked through one, spoke with prisoners, seen someone let go after they were prisoned for twenty years for something they didnt do and dna proved it????? I agree with the rated G movies, I agree with the a lot of what you said, but not all.... these are people too - and yes people in IRAQ are living in tents, and going through all kinds of horrible things, but a they choose this. Can you imagine how horrible it is for the older people, or the ones who are really innocent? Sounds like this warden has a ego trip - and beleive me what he is doing won't last long, people will step in, and things will change.... not everyone in prison is a hard nosed rapist or murderer... a lot of them were in the wrong place at the wrong time... a lot of them are good people who made a mistake.... there are a lot of us here I am sure that have broken the law, and not been caught, and I guarantee you that if someone had a brother, sister, cousin, or close friend there you would feel differently. My brother is in prison in Texas, and can't even go to the bathroom without five guys watching him. He can't take a shower without someone harrassing him. He is 24 years old, and made some bad mistakes because he was addicted to drugs --- he didn't hurt anyone, and everyday he writes me and his mom asking us to pray for him so he makes it out of prison alive. He is a smaller person, and he is weaker since he walks with a limp..... he is what the prisoners call prey for the predators, and it makes me sick that some WARDEN in Arizona is more worried about food cost and what prisoners watch rather than the safety of prisoners, or the reabilitation of prisoners. And as for the Disney station - I don't think it is healthy to let grown men sit around and watch the disney station....... glad my brother is in Texas is all I can really say! Lizard-1  |
Date: 7/8/2004 9:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 35114
Yup! I like Arpaio, he treats prisoners the way they should be treated!  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 35114
I kinda agree with you Liz1 on the fact that some people sit in jail for crimes they didn't commit. But it makes me happy to think the ones that did are punished well! |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
I agree that alot of people used to be in jail for crimes they didn't commit but now with the advancements in DNA testing etc, it is a rarity. These people you are talking about, doing 20 yrs in jail are victims of technology. You may think that your brother never hurt anyone but just the fact that he was on drugs makes him a scourge on society, do you really think his dealer only concerned himself with your brother or do you think your brother contributed to the situation by enabling the pusher to stay in business and thereby sell to other people. Don't pretend your brother is innocent because he isn't, he did the crime he should do the punishment. And, seriously, if they were all thrown on chain gangs and held accountable for their actions your brother would be better off. Idle hands make the devil's work, if the big guys are busy working they don't have time to pick on the little guys. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Magoo - I never said my brother was innocent- NEVER NOT ONE TIME .... and you cant say you that people you know out walking around never did drugs, or got drunk and did something stupid!!!! I was asked for my opinion and I gave it - that's it - it's just my opinion .... Lizard |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
I also know a man that is in prison because he killed a man who raped his four year old daughter,,, because a system let the rapist go ... he has been in there since before I was bron.... sometimes justice works in funny ways! lizard-1 |
Date: 7/8/2004 9:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
I apologize, I meant to say did you really think that your brother never hurt anyone? He contributed to the decline of society. I agree that many people do stupid things but I also think that when they get caught they should accept their punishment, as society sees fit, and get on with it without whining.  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
There are a lot of people in prison who shouldn't be there in my opinion, and a lot of people that are free that should- so - there ya have it! Lizard-1 |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Like I said Magoo - when it is your son, daughter, husband, wife, cousin, mom, dad, maybe you will feel different! |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
that man took justice in his own hands its called being a vigilante and he accepts his punishment. I think that what he did is the exact same thing I would do but he broke the law no matter what way you look at it. Once you start differentiating between who deserves what, it becomes a total break down. Do the crime do the time, and if it is horribly uncomfortable for you all the better, maybe next time you will think twice about your actions. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:27:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
I just gave my opinion that this warden sounds like he is on a ego trip! Making the prisoners wear pink ??? Whats wrong with light blue, or white? Making them wear pink socks, come on , this is horrible...... let the men keep some dignity....... I'm not saying let them all have lap tops, and have nightly parties, I'm saying that they shouldn't be treated as if they aren't human without emotions. They are people, and some of them are decent people. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
sure keep the coffee away - they don't need it, take away porn and cigarettes, but making them suffer in heat..... come on i live in Texas and when it's 90 degree's I feel like I'm going to faint... when he has prisoners dropping dead from heat stroke, it will change...... |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
Nope, I won't feel different. My sense of justice is very strong. My son was playing with some kids that lit a fire, he didn't do it but because he was there he got grounded for two months. The kids who did the arson got new skateboards, rollerblades etc. I let him off his grounding after a month because I felt bad that the real criminals were still being treated as if they were great kids. My son knew why he was punished and on the first day of his "release" he went to the skate park where that other kid was, well the other kid made another fire. My son left immediately and came told me. See, he had learned his lesson, as harsh as it may have been to some, he learned and followed that lesson from then on.AND he still thinks I am a great mom. I strongly believe in causing the punishment to be harsh to deter the person from re-offending. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
You should be happy that you will never experience a military jail, did you know that the repeat offender rate is so small it is negligible. I think that all prisons should be run that way, if not chain gangs, tons of physical training and regimental control. |
Date: 7/8/2004 9:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 23075
if they were decent people then they wouldn't be in prison now would they..think about it  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Magoo - what if the court had sent your son along with the others to juvinielle (sp) hall for just being there??? How would you feel???? and on that night your son was beaten, and God knows what - did he deserve it because he shouldn't have been in the wrong place at the wrong time - OF CAORSE NOT! |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
I'm saying that people make mistakes. I HAVE... and I feel sometimes prison isn't the right choice to send some people. My brother is more decent than most people I know outside prison. He never treated people badly, or drove drunk, he didn't hit children, or start fights, he didn't cheat on his girlfriends, and he didn't ever hurt anyone... he made a few mistakes, and is paying for them. He doesn't complain about being in prison, heck he is happy he is getting his G.E.D. and learning to work on furniture, and it's great ---- but the warden in Arizona doesn't sound like he is trying to help prisoners. i am not against prison, I am against the way it is being done in this circumstance, in this post! lizard-1 |
Date: 7/8/2004 9:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
I live in Arizona and think Arapaio has done a lot of good. He had an 85% approval rate at the beginning of one election and no one even ran against him. He has the only accredited highschool in the nation in his jail called Hard Knocks High and also has a drug and alcohol program called ALPHA and the graduates of the program leave his jail clean and sober and very rarely (I believe it's under 5%) ever become incarcerated again. He has the largest volunteer posse in the country with over 3200 volunteers. You can see his chain gangs around the city cleaning it up and yep most people in Arizona agree with him and like him, he's up for reelection again soon and I'm sure he'll win once again by a landslide. As far as the pink goes, it's a pretty bright pink and everyone knows where someone in pink belongs, kinda hard to escape wearing that bright pink, you don't blend in very well.  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Your right Magoo - I will never experience prison, because I am a middle class white woman living the right kind of life, and I can afford a good lawyer need be, but some people couldn't afford a good lawyer , or have a fair trial .... right? |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Base- what about wearing orange ????? and no one mentioned the reabilitation things, that was my main concern . I thought he just had these people out there doing hard work, and nothing else. Thats the way this makes it sound! I still don't agree with the heat thing! |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
can you legally make someone work against thier will ?????? I think I had heard that before , so does that mean the prisoners want to work???? explain it to me... Lizard-1 |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
you are being ludicrus, my son was interviewed by the police and every other child that was there was interviewed and told the exact same thing, he didn't do it. The police didn't lay charges against him and the other kids had to go to the fire hall for a lecture and film plus some service. If my son had to go to juvie hall then I would have hired a lawyer for him, I knew he didn't deserve to be incarcerated and would have done everything in my power to stop it. He accepted his punishment because he knew he was in the wrong just being there. He also doesn't hang out with any of those kids now, so obviously the deterrant worked. If you are trying to insinuate that my son's situation had anything in common with someone who is doing illegal actions, such as drugs then I don't know what will make you see the difference. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Magoo - when I was 16 I went to a friends house, her parents were big time drug dealers. I didn';t know it, because my friend didn't do drugs. We went to bed one night, and at 2 a.m. dea came in and busted them for selling. I went to county Jv hall for one night, and it was hell! My grandparents had to some get me, and it was on my record till I was 18 - was that fair? |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If I was 18 I probably would have been in even more trouble....... |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
What's wrong with pink? Is he supposed to be worrying about these criminals' egos when they didn't care about their victims? If the people in his jail don't like the way he runs it, like he said then don't come back. He also sometimes dies their food colors, he likes to feed them green bologna. I don't care the reason someone is in jail, they obviously did something wrong and we're not talking shoplifters here in tent city, many of these are repeat offenders who are there because they didn't learn anything the first time through the system. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Magoo - I am not saying your son is anything.... I just think that a lot of times parents think they know thier children and don't. I don't know your son. I don't know him at all, and it would be wrong for me to say anything about him, or his personality - or anything. Do I think he should have seen the tapes at the firehouse, sure he was there, why didn't he leave when they suggested starting the fire, and run and tell someone????? Even if he was innocent I would have made him go watch the tapes..... Lizard-1 |
Date: 7/8/2004 9:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 1799
well.. i agree with what he did for the sole reason that prison isn't supposed to be fun at all. it's a punishment, and it needs to stay a punishment.  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
That isn't your fault but your parents. they should know the people you hang out with and their parents, if they are allowing you to sleep over at someone's house without knowing about them, they are putting you in danger. And my not going to jail has absolutely nothing to do with "because I am a middle class white woman living the right kind of life, and I can afford a good lawyer need be" It is to do with the fact that I am someone who doesn't break the law and I take responsibility for my actions and the actions of my children. I would go into debt for my children if they were in the right and were being railroaded. that is what a parent does. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Some people can be reabilitaited, some can't ... green lunch meat ....? Why - whats the purpose of this???? he is worried about money - but using it to dye food colors....... come on - |
Date: 7/8/2004 9:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 62249
"If you can't do the time don't do the crime." I don't care what you think about me, but my personal thoughts are the conditions should be worse than this. I say we go back to medieval times... yea, you boil one mass murderer in boiling oil and see the crime rate decease. remember the phrase, Liberty and Justice for all? It has 'Justice' in it. - MC Bacon  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Magoo - I was living on my own at 16 - my parents left me when I was 4 , my grandparents raised me until I left at 15 because of sexual abuse. My grandparents came and got me because i couldn't leave till they did. So - I guess it was my fault for wanting some place warm to sleep - I am just glad I am in a good place now.... I knew a lot of homeless kids that had to steal to eat , or go back home where thier parents would beat them or worse... I have known woman who had to prostitute to be able to feed thier children... life isn't so black and white for everyone....... sometimes you have to do what you think is best even if it's not the best choice...... I've been down a road of drugs, lies, and not knowing what would happen to me next - I've been there...... so I see it differently........ |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Have you ever had to sit in a dark apartment, and warm your babies milk with a cigarette lighter because you couldn't afford the electricity bill??? Then when someone offers you a job that's illegal you take it because you don't have any other way! I was lucky, my husband saved me from that life, but a lot of my friends weren't so lucky! |
Date: 7/8/2004 10:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
There is a misdemeaner and probation system in place in this country. Anyone who ends up in prison for any serious amount of time has obviously commited a serious felony. It's not that difficult for anyone to decide that they will never ever go to prison. I can make the same assurance myself, why? Because I'm going to obey the law, a very very easy choice to make.  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
so it's green bologna, green mashed potatoes, he's making a point with the things that he does, you want to be treated with dignity and respect like a human being, then follow the rules that society sets |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
I love all you guys, and I know that it is hard for you guys to understand what I am trying to say - I just PRAY AND HOPE none of you ever have to understand it truthfully......... because I think you have to live it to understand it .... |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
Illegal is illegal, if your friends are having such a hard time, join the army do some time for your country and watch how quickly you get on your feet. If someone is willing to work there are always jobs, legit jobs, they may not be pretty and they may be dang hard but they are there. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
I knew a girl that was in and out of foster homes.... she was considered a hard child to place.... at 18 she was given 200 bucks, and told BYE --- she looked for jobs, and the 200 bucks didn't last long, within two months of being out of foster care, she was prostituting, and ended up in county for awhile, she was let go again, and had no where to go - the pattern just weaves itself! |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Last I checked the military didn't accept 15 year olds, and yes I am talking about young teenagers, that fall into a life of crime because thier parents, or who ever made them that way! |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
$200.00 in her pocket, straight to the recruiters! She could have been employed. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Magoo - I can tell you I am 24 now, and luckily haven't had to live that life in some time now .... my husband came to me like an angel in the night, protecting me from harm . I was lucky. I live my life right, ebcause someone saw good in me, and gave me a chance to be someone...... not everyone is so lucky! |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
she could have Magoo - your right,,, but she didn't ..... I don't know- maybe she didn't know that |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
you are right 15 yr olds don't go in the army but neither do they go into the jail. And at 15 there are options for them, group homes, foster care. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Magoo - not everyone can join the military either honey - Icouldn't because I have a form of epilepsy from my post traumatic stress disorder. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Kids are scard of the systems at that age - I was terrified.....I had already been abused what makes you think I wanted to go to a strangers house, and live in fear??? |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
A lot of people have had hard times and didn't turn to crime. There is point A. and then there is point B. you just go there. There are numerous charities and government run programs to help. People are resonsible for their own actions, blaming the world is how people do end up incarcerated. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
okay, forget the army, how about a job dishwashing or being a maid at a hotel or a busboy. If none of them make enough money, take two jobs. There is always a legit way to make money, people turn to crime for the ease and lack of physical work that it takes. I would rather be on my knees scrubbing a floor or a toilet than on my knees for any other job. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
I have helped a lot of these kids, and I know that prison is best or a lot of people. I agree with prison...... do I agree with taking away a humans dignity - NO! It's bad enough these people have been crapped on most of thier life, but to be crapped on more doesn't make them better! |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
Magoo - where do you live? |
Date: 7/8/2004 10:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 62753
All I can say is I am really glad I haven't told USM about my life as a child yet ! I don't think many of you would be too understanding of it..... it would most likily be my fault that I was sexually abused from age 4 - 15 . I COULD HAVE STOPPED IT RIGHT????? I SHOULDN'T have mental problems because of it, I have a choice huh-----
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
You assume Liz that because we disagree we don't understand which isn't necessarily true. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
I live in CANADA, does that invalidate my opinions? I wish they would bring Sheriff Joe Arpaio here, and we have homeless and we have crime. we are the same as you just geographically north. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
That comment about being sexually abused and not telling us because we wouldn't understand is wrong in so many ways. Just because we think that if you do the crime you should do the time doesn't mean we don't think that innocent children should be abused. Don't ever presume to put that kind of filthy thinking in my head. I am a child's rights advocate and for you to say that shows that you don't really care to get know me you would rather put your prejudices and warped thinking on me. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
I don't care what kind of childhood anyone had if they think it justifies victimizing others. |
Date: 7/8/2004 10:27:00 AM
From Authorid: 48250
lol like the Pink Socks Idea! I agree, and maybe they won't be back....T/C  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
As for your mental health, that is your business, I don't think that any child could go through that without having issues. Be proud of who you are and don't try to make excuses, you are who you are and that is good enough. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 48250
I agree that there are those that have been falsely accused until DNA Can Prove otherwise, but Yet those who really are habitual criminals they will reconsider their criminal behavior (maybe, because I don't know whether people can be rehabilitated, seems they learn more tricks of their trade while incarcerated) sound like he's a little like the Guy who in Tennesse knocked some heads... "The Legend Of Walking Tall"....I bet some of those Families of The Victims could care less whether the inmates are wearing pink boxers or pink socks...especially when their child is laying somewhere in a cemetery....Great Post! |
Date: 7/8/2004 10:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 52155
someone's enjoying living inside their own little box...  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 52155
As an Arizonian myself, I am proud of the job that Sheriff Joe Arpaio is doing. Prison should not be a resort. It should be hard. It should be embarassing. It should be full of people that don't want to come back. It should not be a state run babysitting service. Sheriff Joe's tactics are often newsworthy, but in my opinion, he is doing a great job. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 10:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 52155
Base's reply at 9:52am nailed it |
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Date: 7/8/2004 11:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
You may not have had a choice as a child as to what happened to you and it wasn't your fault. But now as an adult you are responsible for the choices you make and blaming the past will get you nowhere. |
Date: 7/8/2004 11:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 48809
Author, this is such a great post! I wonder why they don't do this in other places ? This is the funniest thing I have heard of in a long time... I especially like the " pink touch " on these big bad guys "panties" ... probably makes them feel real manly! lol. This is hysterical! I think they ought to pay this sheriff triple pay just for being so original in his thinking.lol.  |
Date: 7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 10722
All prisons should be like that. We need more sheriffs like this guy.  |
Date: 7/8/2004 12:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 25183
I'm in AZ too, and agree with Eddo and Base. Also, the reason their underwear and socks are dyed pink is to keep exiting inmates from stealing them. If the are dyed pink, no one takes them when they leave.  |
Date: 7/8/2004 12:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
It almost sounds like he takes a perverse pleasure out of making people's lives miserable. If you ask me, he and the prisoners deserve each other.  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 1:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
why is that a perverse pleasure, do you think that they should be allowed to sit around, weight lifting, socializing etc. If they are made aware that it is not a pleasant experience maybe they will re-think their criminal manner. I think a return to old values and punishments is perfect not perverse. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 1:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
i think taking pleasure out of making someone's life miserable is perverse yes. I believe the correct term is sadistic, but i could be wrong. A parent might believe the best way to discipline their child is to spank them, but i doubt many would take pleasure in doing it. |
Date: 7/8/2004 2:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
YAY for this Sheriff!!! I wish all of them were that way. I have read a few of the comments here and I am just tired of hearing that people CANT do better, and that is just wrong! I am 50 years old and I have SEEN many many people in my life pull themselves up by the boot straps to make a good life for themselves. I raised three kids by myself... and let me tell ya, it was no picnic, but I never prostituted and I never was on drugs, and I never did anything illegal to do it..> I GOT TRAINING, I got a JOB... simple.. And I agree with BCAR, I am not going to prison because I believe in OBEYING the law and not trying to get that "easy" ride... THREE CHEERS TO SHERIFF ARPAIO!!!  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 2:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
I read where a prison, somewhere took everything they were going to serve at a meal, put it in a blender, then baked it in loaves... VERY nutricious but tasted yucky... I didnt feel sorry for the inmates who had to eat it, because if they wanted a MENU, they would have obeyed the law. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 2:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
For whoever above said the soldiers in Iraq were there because they CHOSE to be, I would beg to differ. They CHOSE to serve their country and that is where they ended up, ... But on the other side of the coin, Prisoners CHOSE to be in prison, otherwise they wouldnt have broken the law. The law is not a secret, everyone KNOWS what is illegal. |
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Date: 7/8/2004 4:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
We have American soldiers living in tents in the desert, eating tasteless food and working very hazardous jobs every day. These convicted criminals deserve better? |
Date: 7/8/2004 5:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 50434
Any one who commits a crime and is in jail inst intitled to anything that they would recieve outside a jail. They are in there for a reason and dont deserve special treatment of any kind. As long as they get what they absoloutly need then they ahve no reason to gripe.  |
Date: 7/8/2004 5:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 32806
I used to look to the USA as a strong force for good. The more I get to see how you act and treat human beings, the more my view changes. The reference to how effective military detainment is, is in particulary bad taste after the atrocities committed by the military in Iraq prisons.  |
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Date: 7/8/2004 9:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
yes, we're all evil Americans with total disregard for human rights |
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Date: 7/9/2004 3:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 30229
LOL @ Base! Thing is Sagi... these people who ARE in prison are there for committing crimes, they KNOW the law here, they KNOW how to behave, they KNOW what is legal and what is illegal, and STILL choose a life of crime... some are murderers, some are child molesters, some are rapists, now how on earth can you justify giving them all the "privilages of home" when they didnt care one whit about their victim/victims.. . NOPE, I totally disagree with you, if they do the CRIME, they do the TIME... and if they dont want to wear pink undies and eat dyed food, then STAY STRAIGHT AND STAY LEGAL AND STAY OUT OF JAIL!!!! |
Date: 7/9/2004 5:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 28190
I agree with Base, Magoo and Gail  You guys said all that I was going to say  *hugs*  |
Date: 7/9/2004 6:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 53961
How many of us have had experiences with people who treated us and others like dirt beneath their feet, yet walk the streets today free people? Many who should have, have never spent a day in court or a night in jail. As I sit here trying to figure out ways to pay my electric bill to keep my AC running, many behind bars enjoy AC - at no cost to them. While I watch my TV with a antenna on top, someone behind bars is enjoying cable - free of charge to them. As I figure out a way to pay the outstanding medical bills and buy ongoing needed prescriptions, someone behind bars is getting the medical care - free. And, while I pay my taxes where the money goes into programs that will include feeding their children, giving their children necessary medical care and making sure their children get a roof over their head and a decent education, some of these children's RESPONSIBLE parents are sitting in jail, saying whoa is me - Give me a break! Don't get me wrong on the children's care. I don't blame them or think they should do without because of their parent's mistakes. They are among the innocent victims who must pay for someone else's bad choices...  |
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Date: 7/9/2004 6:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 32806
Yes, they committed crimes, well most of them, unless you claim to have a 100% perfect justice system. The point I am trying to convey is that they are still human beings. |
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Date: 7/9/2004 6:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 32806
And what Base said is becoming the image that the USA is portraying to the world. |
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Date: 7/9/2004 6:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 32806
Oh, and where did I say they should have the privilages of home? I am speaking out against inhumane treatment of humans. Providing cheap food and locking people up isn't a problem. Making them endure unnecessary suffering and humiliation is, but then this does seem to be an acceptable thing to Americans these days. |
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Date: 7/9/2004 8:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
Sagi10, I am the one who said that about the reoffending rate in a military jail. It was not in bad taste and it had nothing to do with Iraq. I am a CANADIAN!!!! We have a military jail that is 'policed' by men and women of the military who undergo rigorous training to be able to be there. It is NOT cruel and unusual punishment, it is EFFECTIVE. Instead of whining about enduring unnecessary suffering and humiliation, why not look at what they are in there for. did they show mercy for the victims of their crimes? Nope, so they deserve what they get, they are not being murdered or raped or anything. Jail has gotten to be a haven for some people, now they know, it isn't pretty, it isn't nice and it isn't free room and board without physical effort. |
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Date: 7/9/2004 10:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Sagi, no one is being beaten here, no one is being starved, no one is denied medical treatment, no one is being harmed. They are subjected to clothing, entertainment, living arraingements and food not of their preference. Exactly where is the inhumane treatment? Right now as I said above, we have fine young American men and women living in tents in desert heat, wearing unfashionable clothing and eating healthy yet unrecognizable food. And they aren't able to come and go as they please either. We call them American Soldiers. I'd say the prisoners in Arizona are doing just fine. |
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Date: 7/10/2004 5:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 52155
These prisoners that suffer from "inhumane treatment of humans" were treated to a Glen Cambell concert yesterday, arranged by Sherrif Joe. Not sure which side of this deabte this helps... |
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Date: 7/12/2004 7:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 13119
LMAO Eddo!!! I think that goes for our side. |
Date: 2/24/2005 3:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 62383
Id feel horrible for my friend thats in prison if she had to go through all that stuff. Might as well just whip them everyday too. lol  |
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Date: 2/28/2005 10:21:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62624
Thanks to everyone that responded! |
