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Naked Teenagers: is it really such a good idea for them to be grouped together?*DizzyME*

  Author:  9130  Category:(Debate) Created:(7/1/2004 7:54:00 PM)
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Is it really such a good idea for a bunch of teenagers to be naked around each other?

ACLU Sues for Teen Nudist Camps

RICHMOND, VA-June 30, 2004

Teen-agers have a right to be naked. At least that's the contention of the American Civil Liberties Union.

The ACLU is filing a federal suit against a Virginia state law that effectively bans nudist summer camps for teens. The law goes into effect tomorrow. The state legislature passed the statute in response to the annual week-long camp run by the White Tail Park nudist colony.

The ACLU's Kent Willis says legislators over-reacted and are interfering with the right of families to make lifestyle choices. (wpvi.com)

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What do you think about this? Should these teen nudist camps be allowed? Should the ACLU really be involved in this?



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Date: 7/1/2004 7:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    if they wanna be nude, let them be nude  
Date: 7/1/2004 7:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 7574    I don't think teen nudist camps should be available, unless they're 18....Why? It's just weird...You wouldn't know if people were there because they respect and follow the nudist tradition or they just want to look at the other people...lol...But I don't know, maybe if they were nudists since they were born, like if their families were nudists, I don't think it would be such a big deal. Hmm, I guess it depends on the person.  
Date: 7/1/2004 7:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 7574    Sorry I ramble   
Date: 7/1/2004 8:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    I remember a post similar to this a while back. I guess I'd have to say that if they and their parents are comfortable with it...who has the right to stop them?  
Date: 7/1/2004 8:03:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    Most of the ones that go are going to go have grown up with parent's as nudists or in a nudist colony and they're gonna be use to it and view it differently.  
Date: 7/1/2004 8:05:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 9130    You Choose-- I actually did a post last year about a nudist camp for kids. When I saw this in the news today I had to post it.  
Date: 7/1/2004 8:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 56297    I think its fine, and they shouldnt try to stop it because if they do its taking away a persons rights to be themselves.  
Date: 7/1/2004 8:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    Okay, well it's good to know my memory isn't TOTALLY failing me! LOL   
Date: 7/1/2004 8:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 42945    while I'm all for peoples rights which includes the right to wear clothes in camps or go naked in nudists camps, I have mixed feelings about younguns going nude...if children have been raised in this type of situation then it would be normal for them now wouldn't it....but I have reservations about some of them entering into a nudist camp purely out of curiosity, which I might add, with hormones kicking in!!! makes the mind boggle...but nothing shocks me anymore and if their parents are okay with this then who am I to judge...just my opinion though...cheers  
Date: 7/1/2004 8:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 62753    well... hmmmmm  
Date: 7/1/2004 9:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Are the kids asking for it? Or is it an "adult, concerned about human rights". Give me a break, kids will rarely get naked in groups or camps. Sounds like some sleazeball looking for way to make being a pedofile legal. AND are adults included? Is this JUST a teen camp? People can get nekked when they want, but people who obsess over others worry me more than any "rights" issue.  
Date: 7/1/2004 9:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    How young are these kids? Most kids are so insecure the last thing they want is to be naked in front of multitudes. I'm betting there is a sleazy louisy in the woodpile on this one.  
Date: 7/1/2004 9:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Parents that have children who would subject their children to their lifestyle fall into the same cracks as parents who smoke, whether it be dope or tobacco, and make "other lifestyle" choices. They have no more right to assume their children are safe being unclothed in the presence of ADULTS than they have by offering illegal substances. It would be child abuse in my opinion. If you like being naked, and don't mind looking at others AND you are an adult, so be it. But don't assume a child will be comfortable in the same situation or that EVERY adult is innocent and unassuming. I don't buy it. And anyone who compromises a child like this is disgusting and beyond normal human understanding. But hey, that's me own personal opinion.  
Date: 7/1/2004 9:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Base, sorry, but you lost me on this one. I have three grandkids and NO ONE IS GOING TO WALK NUDE IN FRONT OF THEM. I have some say in their lives. Authority of who I am, and the friends I've made. I wouldn't hesitate, not for a minute. And I would win, hands down.  
Date: 7/1/2004 9:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 3125    I read about this yesterday and the ages of the children were from 11 to I think 16.
I cannot imagine responsible parents allowing their children to attend nudist camps.

Nudity still brings about lust. Lust still brings about sex. Sex still brings about unwanted children, especially among the teens. It also brings about STD. People are losing all common sense and are going to such extremes in the name of human rights.
  
Date: 7/1/2004 9:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Rusure, I agree 100%, I wouldn't allow it or agree to it. Children would never be comfortable in this environment. Common sense tells me so. It is an excuse for depraved adults to "feed" on "so-called" rights and take advantage, that's all. Any adult who would expect a child to interact in an environment with adult men and women and not suspect anything covert is rediculous. I've too too long to be that stupid.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Meant to type, "I've lived too long" and I have. Common sense and what intelligence I have tells me that any adult who compromises a child like this is just plain evil. I would prosecute them and I would WIN. At least in this state. I'm sick of crap like this.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    Most of the kids who would go live in nudist colonies so to them it's not the same, and if they wanted to go and that's the lifestyle the parent's have chose to raise them in then even if I disagree with the lifestyle they chose they still have the right as parents to make that choice. And you're equating nuditiy with lust but people in nudist colonies don't. That's like saying that the tribes in Africa and other countries that don't wear clothes are disgusting and immoral, and I don't think they are, they have a completely different outlook and mindset towards nudity and don't equate it with lust or sex.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:03:00 PM  From Authorid: 17081    They arent going to be nude just for the right to be nude or to be comfortable. They are there for one thing. I agree with resure deer heart.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 61910    i agree with you guys (rusure and brenda) and that's all i have to say...peace and love...  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    And Brenda are you taking your grandkids to a nudist colony for people to walk naked in front of? If you don't want them exposed they don't take them to the places where they would be, we're not talking about people walking down the street naked here.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 62226    there are worse things they could be doing.
Date: 7/1/2004 10:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    I wouldn't agree with any teenager not raised in a nudist colony or as a nudist going to the camp because they wouldn't have the same mindset and that may lead to problems. But for the ones who have, that's what they know and if they're comfortable with it and want to go, they should be allowed.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Nope I wouldn't, and I understand the concept Base, but I also understand Children and how parents sometimes equate their values. Being nude may not always be sexual, I understand that. BUT I do not understand how an adult would choose to put a child in this situation. I don't understand it and I would never be comfortable being undressed in front of my family. For sure, it is a lifestyle choice. Debating is one thing but when a debate conflicts with what one could or would accept in the "real world", then there is the real opinion. I wouldn't let adults be naked around my grandkids, I would most likely have the support of my same age friends who hold similar positions and some who are in judicial fields as well.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 62787    there is one thing on a teenage boys mind in a nudist colony..i know cause i am a teen boy. - Blade of the Samurai  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    No adult's gonna be naked around my child either because that's not how I was raised. But when we spent a summer in Russia the people would swim in the river naked, adults, children everyone, they didn't have bathing suits and I nor anyone in my family ever went but they weren't all a bunch of perverts for doing it, that's just how they went swimming lol.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Personally any parent who would expose their child to adult nudity would find themselves in a heap of trouble around here. It may be covered up, and so be it. But don't tell me about it, I have lots of friends and I never hesitate to call them when needed. When it comes to children, don't expect or assume they always should "view normal" what they are exposed to. Some kids get raped or beaten, and that's their world... don't make me keep going, because I will. A child is not property, not an appendage, and I can't stand that "I brought you in, I can take you out mentality", if you want to "share your bod" do it with someone your own age. Please, leave the kids alone.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Sorry, we could all leave our bathing suits by the river bed, NOT! I won't sway, I won't! Ask a kid how he or she feels AND then give me your opinion, until then, I won't give a care.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    I can't imagine having my six year old grandughter exposed to aany male adult and having her think it would be okay.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    In Russia, well, I haven't been there, but I HAVE been to lots of beaches in the US and anyone who exposes himself to my grandaughter should realize that I behave according to the provacation,, on a public beach, I will not tolerate anyone exposing themselves to my grandkids. Rights don't mean "jack" when it comes to an adult "preening" in front of a child.  
Date: 7/1/2004 10:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    62226, exactly WHAT is it that children would be doing without adult intervention that could be worse? I have a feeling this post may be my last here. I won't let go on this and have no clue why an adult thinks this is "normal" behaviour.  
Date: 7/1/2004 11:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 51649    Censorship is a cancer, we all have a body, and we are all going to explore it no matter how anyone else attempts to prevent that. By censoring something as natural as the human body and sex, people will begin to label those things as bad things, and can develop horrible complex's.
Date: 7/1/2004 11:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    I HAVE to leave, BUT I have this one bookmarked, and I will be back! Dizzy this is nasty, and they lose credibility with tax payers aand people of position,, and there you go.  
Date: 7/1/2004 11:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    51649, are you A PARENT? How can a six year old make the same choice? Based on what? For cripes sake, this is getting uglier and even more vulger by the moment.  
Date: 7/2/2004 5:24:00 AM  From Authorid: 62249    Whatever floats your boat. - MC Bacon  
Date: 7/2/2004 5:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 18527    I guess it does matter how the child was raised. Base is correct, tribes in different countries are naked and they don't seem to be suffering the same maladys our society does. I wouldn't call a Tuyuca woman sinful because she goes around naked.. it is different...  
Date: 7/2/2004 6:03:00 AM  From Authorid: 10722    Excuse me, your STD is showing.  
Date: 7/2/2004 6:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 62624    with all of the hormones raging out of control? no, I don't think that they should. true, if they're going to do it, they'll do it anyway, but why have a nudist camp? It's like going to an ice cream parlor. You get to see all of the flavors and then pick which you like best. Kimberley  
Date: 7/2/2004 6:47:00 AM  From Authorid: 25390    In our society, no I don't think it is appropriate. I know I would NEVER let my son attend a nudist camp. Now, come people are brought up to think that being naked is the way it should be. Those people usually aren't in it for the sex. However, with teenage hormones, the decision to attend a nudist camp should not be allowed until they are 18. Like Kethria said, in some cultures, that is the way of life. It is not indecient nor "sinful" for them. For our society, we are too focused on the sex aspect of nudity to let children attend a nudist camp.  
Date: 7/2/2004 7:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 27046    This seems to be something for those people that live in nudist colonies.  
Date: 7/2/2004 9:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Could be Az, but NOT in my neighborhood. An adult has the right to make a choice like this, but a child who is exposed to adults being naked and I don't for a minute believe that some adults are innocent. Keth, ignorance in culture is something that we cannot equate to in this country. We are not poverty stricken and have a welfare system for those who can't afford clothes. All I can say is most well educated people don't strut their stuff in front of kids, call it what you want. But here in Ohio, you do jail time. Simple, as that. For those that have only seem to be able to see the "adult nudest" view, I give up. But nudist colonies are not something I am worried about, children will be protected, and that's the bottom line. I simply don't care who dangles what, until you do it with kids, then I will be using every bit of my mouth to get someone who feels the need to introduce a child to a lifestyle that obviously could lead to a trauma for a child. But hey, in you own home... whatever...  
Date: 7/2/2004 9:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    51649, exploration is admirable and go for the gold, hun. But Kids don't need to be brought up according to your views or your need for exploration. Raising a child sometimes means letting go of "alternative behaviour" not accepted by the majority of society. I am a nurse, most of my family is in healthcare, my son in law is a doctor. Suppose we present ourselves as tough looking people with total body tattoos and lots of rough, tough language. Nasty looking teeth and no clothes. And you are the one in ER with a medical emergency? Will your perception of our appearrance enhance your worry concerning our ability or perhaps we should "give in" and talk "cool"? All I can say is that usually most people who have children accept "living within the standards, set be society", knowing that children need not be exposed to every element of culture that may well cause or bring mental problems or expose them to an element of what likely is considered "perversion" by our culture and standards in the US.  
Date: 7/2/2004 9:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 27046    Brenda, that's just the thing, it's not in your neighborhood. Like it or not, there are nudist colonies and these people spend the majority of their time doing everything and anything in the nude. Like others have stated their view of nakedness is similiar to that of a Indian or perhaps an African tribe and they don't view nudity in the same way. It's also not the sexual way that you are thinking and it's certaintly not all hard, young and buff bodies. These colonies have people from all ages and all different walks of life. Take your own neighborhood and look at the variety of body sizes and ages then strip them nude and you have the same thing. The kids that would attend this camp have spent their entire lives naked around other people and since the law has come about because of one specific colony holding a week long summercamp, they have all probably played with each other on the playground a million times in nothing but their birthday suits. So what is the difference if they all go hang out at Joe's house and watch a movie in the nude or they sit around a campfire sharing ghosts stories in the nude?  
Date: 7/2/2004 9:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Az, it's my perception. I don't accept it. I won't and can't accept what I believe is detrimental to a child's welfare. For sure in some cultures nudity is the norm, but it isn't here and it isn't in your neighborhood either. We can do what we please in our home as long as the kids don't tell. See what I mean, every society and culture has a "normal" behaviour. We cannot always accept standards set by some as our own. Nudity may not equate to sexuality but in our culture, we walk a thin, fine line.  
Date: 7/2/2004 9:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    And when it comes to Richmond, VA? Not likely will this ever be allowed. I can't smoke in my neighborhood bar, but I'm going to get to walk around naked? Not likely. I would be on the six o'clock news and out of a job.  
Date: 7/2/2004 9:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    You know the difference. If your kid goes to school and says "Daddy says its okay to be naked and HE DOES IT, you would be in child welfare court tomorrow. See whay I'm saying. Every society has rules to live by. Smoking in a BAR here will get you in serious trouble. How many kids go to bars?  
Date: 7/2/2004 10:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 27046    Brenda, I suggest doing some reading about nudest colonies because your image of what it is and what it's all about is way off base. You are correct that WE (the clothed society)don't find this normal, but those that live in nudest colonies DO. They aren't talking about starting up a camp where any old person is going to send their kid for a week long raging hormone fest. It's a camp run by the nudist colony itself for the kids of the nudist colony to attend that sparked the whole issue with banning this. No ones talking about people walking around all over the place or flaunting themselves naked in public in front of yours or anyone else's children.  
Date: 7/2/2004 10:53:00 PM  From Authorid: 27046    You do realize that they have nudest colonies and that people doing routine things like mowning the lawn and taking out the trash naked is what these people do and how they live right? The camp may not be happening in Virginia cause they banned it, but there are still people walking around naked just the same.  
Date: 7/2/2004 11:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    I won't because it is their view, and I don't accept it. Why would I want to waste time reading about it. I understand that THEY have camps and certainly we all have the right to choose whether or not our children or in my case, grandchildren, should or would attend. But I take on cases every day WHERE I will challenge others and what they think is normal "behaviour" and I will challenge them in a court of law especially when I feel a child is being compromised by an adult's values or perceptions. For sure we standards set be society and culture, some we don't like. Some are "infringements" on our rights, and like smoking in a bar, I have to wonder how many kids are there? An adult can choose where to work or play or how they live their life. A child simply accepts those standards because they have no other choice. Ask your kid how they feel about adults being naked post their view point. Yours isn't the issue.  
Date: 7/2/2004 11:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Debates are so interesting! But thinking about my hubby mowing the lawn in the nude has me in hysterics! I don't have enough money to get him bailed!  
Date: 7/2/2004 11:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    I'm sure that SOMEWHERE someone really is and no one cares. I have to admit, if a few of my neighbors did, I would be in convulsions from laughing. Enormous guts hanging down low and all those other things... Delete me. I'm LOL and LOL and Laughing about this!  
Date: 7/2/2004 11:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 12341    Actually when I go back and read "White Tail Nudist colony" I start laughing all over again. Seriously, I think I've changed my mind.  
Date: 7/3/2004 8:35:00 AM  From Authorid: 62086    over 18 is adult, but under-- no way. I don't really feel nudist camps are "normal"! What is our culture coming to?
Date: 7/3/2004 10:12:00 AM  From Authorid: 27046    Hey, well I figured after all the time wasted just on the post, why not waste a few more and find out some correct information on the subject...LOL.  
Date: 7/3/2004 11:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 27046    Brenda, you have to stop corrupting my mind Woman. I was outside earlier this today getting the mail and I got a horrible mental image of the neighbor thanks to you. I can imagine what they thought of me standing at the mailbox cracking up! LOL  
Date: 7/4/2004 7:21:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    UGH!!!  
Date: 7/4/2004 10:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 3125    Oh no!! We can't have discrimination.. Someone must start the "Black Tail Nudist colony" very soon before the ACLU hops onto that one!!   
Date: 7/5/2004 10:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 4144    i don't think most teens look at nudity the same as adults so i say if they still wanna run aroung naked when they are 18, go for it. until then, keep your clothes on!!  
Date: 7/6/2004 1:17:00 PM  From Authorid: 62766    I dont know about this one it could go both ways I guess because in some places it is their culture, But honestly I just cant see this as normal I think its a different story if its a family going to a nudiest beach Ive heard of Them and how Family's go there I think that is fine because The parents are there to kind of supervise what is going on. But a Nudiest camp I just dont feel for that one. Even if I had a kid and they were very confortible I would worrie about other kids there. Ide worrie about the grown ups that were running it also. IM NOT SAYING there bad people but this is planet earth and we have our own priests that have wronged us. so I have to say No I dont believe in a teenage nudiest camp But I do believe in having families go to nudiest beaches as a family I heard they are pretty nice. I mean I could never walk around in front of my pops like that but Hey its peoples beliefs in some places  
Date: 7/9/2004 9:19:00 AM  From Authorid: 52140    Personally, as long as they keep it in the camp and not in public, go for it.  
Date: 7/9/2004 9:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 52140    couldn't that be the same thing as child porno? Wouldn't that provide perverts with the opportunity to put up cameras and get them walking aroun naked?  
Date: 7/9/2004 1:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 22992    Dude its just skin, if people want to be naked, im all for it, if they are condervative great. Let the nudes do what they wanna do and the clothed do what they wanna do. Nudity is something that I feel shouldn't be viewed as bad...  
Date: 7/11/2004 2:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 48809    I agree with Brenda all the way! I see no reason whatsoever to allow kids to go to any nasty nudist camps. I think that it is only "egging " them on to become involved in sex...perhaps at an even earlier age than they already are! I have no respect for any adult who would allow or encourage their children to go to one of these places. I will guarantee you that this would not happen in my household! I fail to see how going to a nudist camp could enhance or enrich the life of any teen ager or any adult for that matter! I am sorry, but I see only negative consequences here.  
Date: 7/14/2004 11:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 53157    I think no, but i also think if they were raised in a nudist colony okay because they understand it better than other teens do.  
Date: 6/2/2005 7:03:00 PM  ( Admin-DNL )   LOL I am sorry but the title made me laugh. I can see bad and good with this. The idea of naked teenagers being together doesn't sound good, but if they are used to they are used to it. I don't know...
Date: 10/2/2005 11:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 7574    I actually got lost and drove past this place once..I didn't know it was a nudist camp.  
Date: 10/2/2005 11:36:00 PM  From Authorid: 7574    And yeah, the title is pretty funny..lmao.  
Date: 6/14/2023 5:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 21435    Here we are in 2023 and these days "they" want everyone to go to the bathroom together.  

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