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Please, I Really Need Some Serious Relationship Advice - Eddy

  Author:  19869  Category:(General Advice) Created:(6/22/2004 6:49:00 AM)
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Hi all. Hope your all having a good week, and if not then chances are things will get better!

Anyway, i have a problem... or a few at least. me and my girlfriend have been having some really serious arguments and im not sure what to do!

we've been together for just over 6 months and we both love each other so much! we've been living together for most of that time. almost as soon as we got together she moved in to my parents house. just under a month ago we moved out to our own flat.

up until now i guess we've had a fairly good relationship. everythings been fine and the arguments we've had we've got over and solved them peacefully.

as of yesterday things have taken a turn for the worse... a few months ago we had an argument and it was basically solved by hannah (my girlfriend) not going round to her old parents house on her own (this is because her mums boyfriend used to abuse both her and her brother while her mum sat and did nothing - twisted i know). so we arranged that when she went round to see her mum and little brother (who has downs syndrome and she loves more than anythnig in the world) that she would always go with me if steve (the abusing boyfriend of her mum) was there. this was fine. no more arguments about that subject. fair to say since she moved out she has not seen her little brother very much (she's not too bothered about seeing her mum), so maybe only seen him once a month if that.

her mum, since she moveed out to live with me, has always carried on recieving her child benefits for hannah and been sending it through the post to her on a weekly basis. when we moved out to our own flat this money didnt turn up for two weeks in a row, although her mum swears blind she posted it. being her mum, its quite likely shes plain and simple lying and spent the money on fags and booze (alcoholic wreck - did i firget to mention?) so for the third week we decided that the only way we are going to get the money is if we go round and collect it in person, and we certainly needed the money as its all we've had to live on this last week! so yesterday me and hannah both arrived home from work as planned before going to her mums. this is when im told that her mum called her on the bus on the way back, that hannah is going to go round on her own for 5-10 mins just to get the money and go, not to stop and have a nice long chat, as she knows how i hate her being in that house with steve there and im not. so i thought fair enough, its only 10 minutes, its not too bad, i'll let her go on her own (although i had little choice as we only had enough money to get one of us there!). this was at about 5 when she left, saying she'll be back around 6-6.30 which was fine as we was supposed to be going to watch the england match at the pub at 7 with friends (we're english btw). it gets to 6.15, she should be nearly back by now, although i was thinking i bet shes still there, and so i was worried that if she was what was going on with steve being there! so me worrying constantly as the time gets on decided i'd give her a call to check she was out there house and on her way back. no surprises, she was still there and had been for bout 40 mins (when she previously said theres no way she'd stay anywhere near half an hour), and so i had a go at her for lying (i knew she'd stay and let her know how i felt just before she left to go) and she still stayed a long while regardless, which is just another lie to add to her collection (although she'es not been too bad for a few months now, really started being honest and all). so we argued over the phone, while her mum was saying things to hannah and shouting from cross the room down the phone making problems worse (her mum likes to cause problems like that, she doesnt care who gets hurt as long as she sees people she doesnt like (me) suffer!

being annoyed that she lied to me about staying for a while and being around the man who used to abuse her every day of her life when she used to live there, i said she had better come back now, and i'll go and meet her half way so we can sort things out (without her mum making things worse). that particular argument ended as my phone smashed against the wall in frustration.

thankfully she did leave and meet me half way. we ended up having a big argument just by the main road on a small area of grass for about an hour. we argued about her staying round and lying to me, her saying that i never let her see her family and all sorts more which i'll get to in a minute.

firstly she said i never let her see her family because she cant go round on her own because of steve (abuser)and because she cant go round because her mum doesnt want me there! but she has never once made any effort (and neither has her mum at that) to ask to meet up anywhere other than the house, such as a pub (her mums second home) or a park or the beach or our flat our anywhere! she never made any effort to see them at all, and instead decided to lie to me about going round for 5/10 mins just to pick up some money, and instead staying for a nice long cosy chat with them all (which she said she wouldnt do) this causing big arguments.

after we shouted our views at each others crying faces, we got on to other problems in our relationship, about how im so lucky that i wasnt abused and i get on with my family and she never sees any of hers. not so true, she never tries to see any of her family, and does see her aunts cousins and dad every now and then. i only see my mum and little brother, and my uncle. so its not like i have a great well formed family that she can be jealous of!

then it turned to frieds. she said she was kind of jealous because i have lots of good friends that i can go out with when i want and have a life, where as she never goes out with her friends, most of whom are crap friends. and this is my fault how? i explained to her that my friends mean so much to me, and the reason i have so many good friends is because i treat them like friends, i make the effort to see them, i do them favours, im always there for them if they need me, i never lie to them etc etc... where as she does lie to her friends, cant be bothered to talk to them or ever arrange to go out with them!

at this point i started saying how i've become more distant from a lot of my friends, some amazing great friends who i love to bits, because i love her more and would rather spend my time with her. this is where i broke down in uncontrolable tears and the arguments kind of stopped there for a while. we started to walk back discussing some of the smaller problems like about my friends and me going out while she stays in (her choice btw, half the time she forces me to go out with them while she stays in) whilst we walked along the beach back to our flat.

as we got nearly back we both cheered up a bit and the arguments seemed to have been put aside, and so we decided we would go to the football after all and have a bit of fun. got there for the second half of the game, we won 4-2!!! yey :p and we got a bit drunk and had some fun.

after the football (at around 11.30pm) we ended up going back to one of the guys from my friends work's houses for kind of an after party. this was kind of cool... up until the point where a girl i'd only met that night (from my friends work place) was so drunk she just fell forward onto the table of drinks, smashed a wine glass and had the stub of it cut a big gash in her arm. fair bit of blood. she was hysterical. at this point i just clicked, stopped being drunk, and took control of the situation, i got a cloth pulled tight around the wound, and tried to get her some space and to calm her down. this took a while. an ambulance was called because no one knew how badly it was bleeding. the ambulance guys arrived and by this time she was a little more calm and it turned out the wound would be fine and everything went fairly dismall. so i decided it was time to go (it was about 2/3am sort of time, and me and hannah both had to be up around 8ish for work this morning.)

took a while to go, i said goodbye to everyone, hannah said goodbye to a few people and gave this guy matt a hug goodbye who she'd been sitting next to while all the drama was going on. we walked back to ours on our own. half way back she decided to inform me that the matt guy had actually been trying to hit on her (despite it being his house, and he was there with his girlfriend - i think they had a small argument because someone was bleeding all over their house) and she'd said no to him. well done i thought, then realised hang on, she was hugging him goodbye, whats with that!! you dont reject a guy trying to hit on u by saying no and then hugging him goodbye, and so i prob over reacted but i shouted at her (because she never stands up for herself in that situation and tells the guy to leave her alone firmly - theres been plenty of times this situation has occured through our relationship, it was something we'd argued about earlier that day, and she still did it again that night! she can never get a guy to stop hitting on her! its so annoying!!! so me shouting at her turned in to a big argument again like from earlier in the day, about a lot of the same stuff and more! we got in, continued arguing past 4am and after several (what seemed) hours of crying i somehow fell asleep. we kind of sorted out some of the arguments but we still need to talk. im at work now and so is she.





so i really am confused at the moment. i dont want to lose her over this. i really couldnt handle that.

but what do i do about the situation with her seeing her little brother.

what can i do about her not getting guys to leave her alone?

what can i do about her being jealous of my friends?

what can i do about her never going out with her friends, resulting in her not having too many friends?

what can i do about all of the things that ive said!



the main problems in our relationship seem to be her mum, because with the situation as it is (me and her mum not talking), we cant go round to see her little brother if im there, i dont want her being around the guy who abused her for 2 years, but i want her to see her family!

and the other problem is her lying... its got better but it still comes back every now and then when she lies here and there... it makes it so hard to trust her. especially when her mum persuades her to lie and influences her to stay to see her little brother knowing full wel it causes us arguments.

and the other problem about hannah not being firm enough with guys hitting on her! she's with me, why cant she act like it!!!



please please please i beg anyone, give me some help here, i really dont know what to do at the moment!

thanks a lot

Eddy

ps sorry its so long for you to read.

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Date: 6/22/2004 7:10:00 AM  From Authorid: 24003    Woah!! That was long. Okay, first off...I can understand you being concerned about her being around Steve since he abused her when she was younger, but she is an adult now. Maybe she doesnt feel threatened by him anymore and if she is still willing to be around him, thats her right. You not wanting her to be around him because youre afraid of what he might do, I can understand but if she isnt afraid of anything then there isnt much you can do about her being around him when she wants to visit her mom and brother. You trying to tell her to NOT go over there is only going to make things worse I assure you. She is going to feel like you are trying to tell her what to do..and believe me, us women hate that. Its not a good feeling. If her mom doesnt like you, that always makes things tough on a relationship. From the way you make it sound, it seems like she dislikes you for no good reason. People like that are impossible to deal with. You should just stay away from her but you shouldnt try to keep your gf away from her, afterall that is her mother. When she goes over to her moms house, dont sit and dwell on what might be going on over there. Just see that as some alone time, let her go do her thing for a while and then when she gets back you two can get back to what you were doing, instead of fighting about it. About guys hitting on her, you shouldnt be so upset about guys hitting on her, if she starts flirting back...thats when you need to be upset. I hope this has helped atleast a little bit. Ive been married for 2 years and believe me, I know where you are coming from. You name it and me and my husband have had a fight about it Take care and good luck!  
Date: 6/22/2004 7:11:00 AM  From Authorid: 24003    Eddy, that is the LONGEST reply Ive EVER given a post here at USM! LOL  
Date: 6/22/2004 7:12:00 AM  From Authorid: 15228    I guess, first of all you have to realize that Hannah is an adult, or at least living like one. She has to be free to make her own choices as far as seeing her family. You can't always be around to protect her. I would back off on that argument and therefore she won't have reason to lie to you any longer. As for letting guys hit on her, Would you say that maybe she has some self-esteem issues? If she was abused by her step-father, than maybe she has a hard time standing up to guys? Shouting at her might just bring back memories of that abuse..not that YOU are abusing her, but still, it doesn't help to shout at her, it probably makes her feel like a naughty little girl.  
Date: 6/22/2004 7:22:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 19869    thank you so much for your reply. first off, the reason her mum doesnt like me is because i basically told her what i thought of her. i told her i think shes a rubbish mother because of all the things shes done and the things shes let her boyfriend do to her own children. sexual and physical abuse to her own children in front of her eyes and she doesnt care, she was even up for the idea of incest (3some with steve and hannah), although thankfully that never happened! so thats why she doesnt want me round. i can understand your viewpoint on steve. i think what makes it so hard for me is the fact that hannah has never been able to stand up for her self very well, which is part of the reason (and probably also a result of) why she has been abused and bullied through a lot of her life. she wont stand up to other guys hitting on her, she never stood up to steve making sexual advances and daily sexual harassment, she still wont to this day stand up for herself. that why i worry so much when shes around him. we came tothe agreement that she wouldnt go round on her own if steve was there because it caused me to worry so much that it caused arguements. the comprimise there being that she can go round if im there (although due to circumstances im not allowed round any more), or that she can see her mum and brother outside of the home where steve isnt. we agreed that its a fair comprimise and she has never disagreed with it, until yesterday when she went round and stayed regardless of my feelings. its a horrible situation and i hate it!  
Date: 6/22/2004 7:27:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 19869    kelly, thank you. i'd like to point out though that she is only 17 and not really an adult. i think she does has self asteem isues. i'd love it if it was possible that she could just go round and everything be fine, but i guess i want to (and probably do) protect her too much. i try so hard to keep things that might hurt her away from her. and to me that means steve too. we had our comprimise but she never makes any effort to see her brother away from the home, and thats what bugs me so much.  
Date: 6/22/2004 7:35:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 19869    sunni. thanks for your reply too. she does see a counsilor and has been for prob 3-4 months now. her counsilor has said that her mum disgusts her. and in my opinion steve should be in jail for his child abuse. its not the sort of place u'd wish upon anyone and its so hard for me to just let her walk back in there knowing that her mum will pressure her into doing things that will hurt me or make us argue. as for the other guys hitting on her, most replys tend to say its not so much of a big deal. but with her lying combined with her past of continual cheating, that makes me worry a lot too! she has no cheated on every boyfriend she has ever had, but the majority of them, and shes had a lot in the past... i think my fearthere is that if she cant get these guys to leave her alone then they are going to pressure her continually to get their way, and she is still young, very vulnerable and if she cant stop the problem she will tend to just let it carry on. for example, she has a work placement at a primary school as part of her college course. at this school a teacher made advances at her and she said no but he wouldnt leave her alone. she then told me that she had told her teacher who she assists and that this teacher had warned him off. only a week or so later i found that she never really told the teacher at all and the guy was still waiting around corners for her and trying to make advances at her. and with her past of abuse, and her never sticking up for herself, im so afraid that one day one of these guys will be a little more forceful in their advances and she will not so much let them have their way, but give in because its easier, and hope for the best.  
Date: 6/22/2004 7:59:00 AM  ( Admin )   Trust is the basis for your problems. You need to discuss trust and how it's gained and lost. If you don't have trust (not blind trust) you essentially are just having a good time with no intentions for a lasting relationship. Both of you need to make the commitment to the trusting and get the reassurance that the other is committed also. Truth, reliability, and mutual consideration are essential to trust.
Date: 6/22/2004 8:01:00 AM  From Authorid: 4144    well you asked for it so don't get ticked! at age 17 or 70 she has the right to go where she wants when she wants for as long as she wants and it's really that simple. i know you have a problem with her being abused but that's your problem. even though she is only 17, she is living as an adult in an adult situation and you are not her father. as far as her going to her mom's......she knows what she is walking into when she goes there. if she still chooses to go there it's really none of your business. i don't mean that to sound harsh or hateful or anything. i just don't think one person has the right to tell another person what to do unless that person is your child and you have to tell them. it's like this with me, if my husband told me that i couldn't do something, i would do it anyway. i would do it even if it was something i didn't want to do just to show him that nobody tells me what to do. i don't tell him what to do or what not to do. you can't force her to stay away from her family no matter how bad they are. as far as hugging the guy that hit on her....big deal. does she usually hug people or is this a first?there's another way to look at that. she didn't want to hurt his feelings by not hugging him after she just turned him down. i'm just saying that she has the right to make her own decisions. even if you don't like what she decides there's really nothing you can do about it unless you want to dump her and go out and find you a woman you can have total control over. life is too short for crap like that. if she is still being abused when she visits one day she will grow up and decide she's had enough. even though she is living as an adult she still hasn't grown up. hello, i'm pushing 40 and i don't think i'm completely grown up! please don't take this the wrong way. i am not taking sides because she is a girl and we have to stick together. i don't believe in that crap either!! i think it goes both ways and she shouldn't tell you what to do either. sorry if i offended but you did ask!! good luck!  
Date: 6/22/2004 8:12:00 AM  From Authorid: 15228    Eddy, since she is only 17, it is even more important that you back off and let her grow and make mistakes..There are some decisions you two should make together, but there are some she has to make on her own, like when and where she wants to see her mother. She might eventually see on her own it isn't a healthy situation, but someone telling her probably isn't going to do it. I know you care very much for her...but you also have to think about what is best for yourself. Do you really want to raise a girlfriend? Because to me, that seems to be what is happening here, though I could be wrong and I hope that doesn't come off as sounding to harsh.  
Date: 6/22/2004 8:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 62704    Hi Eddy if you feel uncomfortable letting your girlfriend visit her brother at that house why don't you suggest to her to bring her brother to your house for the weekend sometimes that way she can see him for the hole weekend and not have to go to that house. That is not going to eliminate her going to her mother's house completely but it will limit her time at that house. If there are times that she has no choice to go then you have to let her be because it can be devastating living far away from family and not being able to see them because a bf does not allow it. (Even if you are only doing it because you are trying to protect her) She still feels like you are trying to isolate her from her family. About the guy problems just be alert about the situation because it would not be fair to you if you are doing everything possible to keep your relationship in good standing and have her cheat on you. If that was to ever happen it would not even be worth it for you to try so hard. Another thing is she is only 17 and if you are older than her sometimes you are not on the same level as she is when it comes to analyzing things. About your friends I don't think she is jelous it sounds like she would like to have more people involved in her life, and even though she loves you she'd like to be able to do other things with her friends as well. Do all her friends live far from where you live with her? That could be the reason why she does not bother with them as much as you say. I went through something similar with my ex but he had no good reason to try to keep me away from my family. All I know is that it is frustrating and women do not like to be told what to do even if it is for our own good. We like to make our own choices in life. Good luck with everything and I hope this helps.  
Date: 7/10/2004 7:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 30786    Eddy, my honest opinion is that this relationship may be more trouble than it is worth. You have been together 6 months, and are already having all sorts of problems that are obviously driving you both crazy. Her family is never going away, they will always be around her causing a problem. Can you deal with that? You sound like a very nice guy and if you are not happy with the relationship, then do yourself a favor and move on. Good luck buddy  

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