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QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BOOK OF GENESIS, CHAPTERS 1 AND 4

  Author: 62304  Category:(General Advice) Created:(6/13/2004 4:56:00 AM)
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I have not attended Theology School and I am very ignorant of the Bible. But, I do believe that the Bible is God's Word and I believe what it says. Please take a few moments to answer the following questions.

1. I heard a preacher on national TV say that in the book of Genesis, there were no talking snakes. That really confused me. I believe that God created the heavens and the earth and if He wanted to create a talking snake that somehow deceived Eve, then He can do what ever He chooses to do. Will you explain your thoughts on the book of Genesis and the talking snake?

2. The city of Nod, where did it come from? Cain's wife, where did she come from?

3. Genesis 1:20-23. On day 5 (or around 5000 yrs),

verse 20: God said, let the water bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

verse 21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

According to these verses, the birds that fly in the air were created from the water. Is that correct?

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Date: 6/13/2004 5:39:00 AM  From Authorid: 160    
I believe every word in the scriptures to be Gods thoughts. He left to us a written account of mans history, and his fall from grace. I also think that where there may appear to be contradictions in the scriptures there is always an explanation. When man got his beginning the world was perfect, animals were at peace with humans, the earth then would have yielded it's best. And when people read about things that are so far from our realm of understanding that we don't believe it and dismiss these things as fairy tales. The preacher from TV was wrong, although snakes do not talk Satan does have the ability to make it appear as if it did. Eve was naive and fell victim to this deceiver. Cain took one (or more) of his sisters and began a family. A thousand years is as a day to Jehovah but creative days are an entirely different matter. chapter 1 through chapter 2, verse 3, after telling about the creation of the material heavens and earth (Ge 1:1, 2), provides an outline of further creative activities on the earth. Chapter 2 of Genesis, from verse 5 onward, is a parallel account that takes up at a point in the third “day,” after dry land appeared but before land plants were created. It supplies details not furnished in the broad outline found in Genesis chapter 1. The inspired Record tells of six creative periods called “days,” and of a seventh period or “seventh day” in which time God desisted from earthly creative works and proceeded to rest. (Ge 2:1-3) While the Genesis account of creative activity relating to the earth does not set forth detailed botanical and zoological distinctions such as those current today, the terms employed therein adequately cover the major divisions of life and show that these were created and made so that they reproduce only according to their respective “kinds.”—Ge 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25; see KIND. BIRDS
Birds were among the earliest living souls on earth, coming into existence on the fifth creative “day” along with the marine creatures. (Ge 10-23) Of the general terms used in the Bible that apply to birds, the most frequent Hebrew word is `ohph, basically meaning “flying creature” (Ge 10), which may include not only birds but also winged insects. (Compare Le 11:13, 21-23.) The Hebrew tsippohŕ also occurs in a large number of texts and is a generic term applying to birds in general. (Ge 7:14) A third Hebrew term, `áyit, is applied solely to the birds of prey.
The following terms are found in the Greek Scriptures: oŕneon, meaning simply “bird” (Re 18); peteinoń and ptenoś, both literally meaning “flier.” (Ro 13; 1Co 15:39; compare Int.) At Acts 17:18 I hope this helps, if you are in search of truth, I urge you not to give up.
  
Date: 6/13/2004 5:40:00 AM  From Authorid: 160    Also, a little more detail on Cain and the city of Nod.....“And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch.”

The thought that one might gain from this text is that Cain went into the land of Nod (which means “Fugitiveness” and there first “knew” his wife in the sense of meeting her. But Cain actually took a wife with him, for the expression “knew” was used in earlier English to mean to know carnally, or to have sexual intercourse. Accordingly, modern translations read: “With that Cain went away from the face of Jehovah and took up residence in the land of Fugitiveness to the east of Eden. Afterward Cain had intercourse with his wife and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.” (New World Translation) Likewise, James Moffatt’s Translation, An American Translation and the Catholic Jerusalem Bible all here use the expression, “Cain had intercourse with his wife.” The New English Bible reads: “Cain lay with his wife.”

WAS CAIN’S MARRIAGE “INCEST”?

Was God fostering what is now called “incest” by arranging matters so that the first children of Adam would marry one another—brothers marrying sisters? No. For, in Adam’s original perfect state his children would have been born in perfection. (Deut. 32:4) There would have been no family weaknesses to be passed on and accentuated by the marriage of near relatives, as is the case today, when the sinful human race has greatly deteriorated and many genetic defects exist. Even after Adam had sinned, his descendants lived as long as 969 years in the days before the Flood.—Gen. 57.

Accordingly, it took a long time for genetic defects to become so numerous and so grouped in family lines that it became dangerous to the offspring for close relatives to marry. Even Abraham, some 2,000 years after the creation of Adam, married his half sister. (Gen. 20:12) Not until God gave the Mosaic law (about 500 years later) did He prohibit close family marriage unions among the people of Israel.—Lev. 18:6-18.

It is a wonderful arrangement of God that he made mankind one race, with one origin. All can have the same benefits from the atonement sacrifice of Jesus Christ. (1 Tim. 2:5, 6) All can approach God through this One as their “Eternal Father” and can come to have the same relationship as “children of God.” (Isa. 9:6; Rom. 81) Under Christ’s rulership humankind will again be one. (Eph. 1, 10) All national, ethnic, political and social barriers or boundaries will be permanently wiped out, bringing about the purpose that God had from the very beginning.—1 Cor. 154, 28.

[Footnotes]

1960 edition, 1976 printing, by Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan.

  
Date: 6/13/2004 8:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 62249    I dunno... I think I've lost all my faith in this. - MC Bacon  
Date: 6/13/2004 9:52:00 AM  From Authorid: 34912    1.) Don't let some nonsense preacher confuse you. Just take the Bible for what it says. Eve encountered a talking snake and didn't seem suprised by it. Perhaps this means that Mankind could communicate with animals before the fall  
Date: 6/13/2004 9:59:00 AM  From Authorid: 34912    2.) We can assume that Adam had a lot of children. Genesis 5:4 talks about how Adam had sons and doughters. Cain, Abel, and Seth are the only ones mentioned by name. This is how the City of Nod was populated (and the rest of the world for that matter). Until the time of Moses, it was permissable to marry and have children with your own brother or sister. It sounds unusual to us now, but it was never meant to seem strange. It was only forbidden because of human gene degradation that has taken place since the fall (we're much more biologically degraded compared those of Adams time who lived to be 800-900 years old). By the time of Moses and the Exodus, this degradation had reached a point where similar gene pools could not have children without complications.  
Date: 6/13/2004 10:09:00 AM  From Authorid: 34912    3.) The part that says "and every winged fowl after his kind" is a separate thought that comes after the description of sea creatures. The context doens't necessarily show that the author relating the account intended to say that birds were formed out of water. But whatver your take on this, it's not a dividing issue.  
Date: 6/13/2004 10:16:00 AM  From Authorid: 34912    Now I have a question. Why do you think that each creation day was 1000 years? I don't think there is any basis for this and it only causes problems for me when I try ot make it work with the Gensis story. In Genesis, all six days are described as having a morning and evening (1:5, 1, 1:13, 1:19. 13, 1:31). Does this mean there was 500 years of day and 500 years of night? What about the vegetation? Wouldn't a 500 year old daytime sun dehydrate and wither down all the plants? Wouldn't everything have died in the freezing conditions of a 500 nightfall? How was there a 1000 day and night cycle anyway? Was the earth's rotation around the sun slowed down to fit this time span? Then there's the Sabbath on the seventh day of creation. Was there a 1000 year Sabbath where everything was at rest for a 1000 years? I don't understand this idea. It doesn't seem to work. I think that six literal days of creation makes more sense. After all, it's the creator God Yahwheh we're talking about.  
Date: 6/13/2004 6:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 51173    "1. I heard a preacher on national TV say that in the book of Genesis, there were no talking snakes. That really confused me. I believe that God created the heavens and the earth and if He wanted to create a talking snake that somehow deceived Eve, then He can do what ever He chooses to do. Will you explain your thoughts on the book of Genesis and the talking snake?"-------------------------------------------------- Some ministers are complete "allegorists" when it comes to Genesis. I suspect your TV minister is one as well. There is a principle in Semitic literature called hypostasis, where attributes of God occupy an intermediate position between abstract thought and concrete physical reality. (Think of the obening verses of the Gospel of John -- the "word made flesh".) It is not hard to imagine Satan, the embodiment of evil in this chapter in a hypostasis manner. Real snake, real voices, but the snake's lips not moving.  
Date: 6/13/2004 7:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 51173    "2. The city of Nod, where did it come from? Cain's wife, where did she come from?"----------------------------------- Semitic geneologies are notorious for their "selectivity" among ancestors. If you like the ancestor or they did something important, he made the list; if you didn't like them or they were the quiet type, THEY didn't. Genesis records the first two male births, but it says nothing about the time span or other daughters born. About 4 generations averaging 4 children per member would be needed before inbreeding would no longer be a problem. And it does say that Adam and Eve had many children, and safe to assume not all of them wanted to live close to mom and dad... That explains the wife, but the city, well, thats easier to explain. "City" in the ancient near East meant something altogether different than it means today. Two houses, SURROUNDED BY A WALL FOR PROTECTION, constituted a city. It doesn't say anything about how large the city was -- but we know she came from a place surrounded by a wall.  
Date: 6/13/2004 7:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 51173    "According to these verses, the birds that fly in the air were created from the water. Is that correct?"------------------------------------------- The Hebrew word here is 'owph. The meaning is "a creature with a wing". The ancient world didn't classify animals the same way we do - they classified by body type and function. Birds have wings, but so do insects. And there are many insects that lay eggs in water, such as the Florida "state bird", the mosquito. The Biblical reference is to insects. Peace, Tom  
Date: 7/20/2011 5:24:00 AM  From Authorid: 64883    My question is.......where did the dinosaurs fit in??? Before or after Adam and Eve??? I too, believe the Bible is God's word and was raised to believe in it and have faith but I need a better understanding.
Date: 7/20/2011 7:46:00 AM  From Authorid: 64819    The animals were made before Adam and Eve. The Genesis concept of God's day is longer than our traditional day. where God made the heavens and the earth, that could have too millions of years, I prefer to think of it as an age or era. Genesis doesn't talk about the things that went on in between God's creations.  

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