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Date: 4/18/2004 7:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 53836
I think it is what the parents are not doing...it falls on the parent's shoulders. When I see alcohol commercials, they usually are aimed at the 20 something singles crowd..  |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Spacecase-- right-- I don't think I have ever seen any commercials that could be considered tempting underage drinkers.  |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 37101
There is definitely nothing the alcohol-producing companies can do. Commercials are only suggestions, it's up to the invidual to listen to them or not. It rests on the parents and, ultimately, the person themselves. -  |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 55009
the whole of it all falls on the parents and the teens drinking, the parents for not knowing or controlling thier teen and the teen for making the decision to drink and then drive, if teens do drink they should atleast stay where they are for the night and not go off driving.  |
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Date: 4/18/2004 7:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 53836
and at 19 years old, that boy knew what he was consuming was against the law...by that age, you take your life in your own hands...to do as you want. sometimes the consequences are deadly. |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 47865
What about the tree? No one seems to be suing on it's behalf.  |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 12103
I dont think any company should take the blame..they didnt hand the kid the alochol did they?  |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 21435
If there is a problem with booze, just shut down the production and sales. Some allowed to drink and others not?..That never worked and I doubt that it ever will. Another good topic, Dizzy Me. Write on..  |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 58334
No matter what, I don't think we could ever stop teen drinking. It's portrayed everywhere and yet it's a personal choice to consume it.  |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 53054
Im with Ash lolz...we have to think about the tree here, and what about the car...no one thinks about there rights HEHE! anyways i dont believe that the alcohol company is to blame for this action, it was the 19 year old boys fault for drinking in the first place, the mother is only looking for someone else other than her son to blame...i spose anyone would...so NO i dont believe that Coors should be to blame at all! Who know he could of also been drinking other alcohol beverages as well...what about other companies, is she going to try and sue them as well???  |
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Date: 4/18/2004 7:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 12103
Suing the company because she is not a good parent is rediculous...lol |
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Date: 4/18/2004 7:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 58334
Just because the teen drank doesn't make the parents bad in any way. How many kids do it behind their parents back? But I don't agree w/ suing the company. That's just crazy. |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i think alcohol companies should do more to promote safety drinking.. teenagers wont stop drinking it's just like smoking they wont stop BUT if the companies promote safe drinking and not driving.. maybe each bottle should have a little warning that says something like "dont drink and drive, Please drink responsibly"  |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 62585
Honestly i don't think coors should be blamed i think if they sue anyone it should be the person who sold the alcohol to them or the person who bought it for him. but when it comes down to it, he was an adult and responsible for his own actions. i don't see how they could win at any suit against anyone. as far as the ads go, i don't think they have much to do with teenage drinking. i drank when i was a teenager and it had nothing to do with ads, i did it because i thought it was fun and because my friends were doing it. ~Charmed One~  |
Date: 4/18/2004 7:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
I think Coors should counter-sue her for "Allowing her son to use its product in a fashion out of bounds with its intended purpose" or something similar.  |
Date: 4/18/2004 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 28190
I also have the same viewpoint, that the mother should have been more efficient in her parenting. I know at 19 she really cant do much to prevent her son's intake of alcohol, but thing is if he was still in her house, she could have done something. She could have enforced the idea to never drink and drive a little harder. The companies do all that they can do, and I am like you, cant think of anything more that they can add to their list to prevent it further. Except for quit making it all together and I dont see that ever happening. And nope, they shouldnt be to blame because ultimately it was the boy's decision to drink and drive and unfortunately paid the price. A tragedy that happens far too often nowadays, but it isnt the makers faults, its the parenting AND personal choice that is to blame.. Good debate Dizzy.   |
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Date: 4/18/2004 8:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 47865
To be honest, if I had a kid that stupid I think I'd keep quiet about it. |
Date: 4/18/2004 8:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 58078
At 19 years old you know right and wrong and it is nobodies fault but the young man who was stupid enough to get behind the wheel of the vehicle and drive and risk his life and others on the road. Do I feel for the mother, yes I do...BUT sueing Coors sure isn't going to bring her son back.  |
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Date: 4/18/2004 8:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 58078
If she wants to be sue happy, sue the people who threw the party and their her son drink underage and get in that vehicle...but even then, it still won't bring him back. |
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Date: 4/18/2004 8:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 58078
*and let....not and their |
Date: 4/18/2004 8:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 42945
the only thing we can do as parents is to teach our kids right from wrong...the rest is up to them and especially at the age this young man was...they will never stop producing alcohol and no matter what anyone does, they will never stop underage drinking alcohol, they will find someone to buy it for them, I think its just one of the things that when we tell our kids its bad for them, they want to try it all the more, and so the vicious circle goes on and on, just like smoking....if the Government was fair dinkum they would stop producing alcohol and ciggies, but NO!! they get too much in taxes out of it....so our young and not so young will always pay for it with their lives....good post Dizzy...hugs  |
Date: 4/18/2004 9:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 20750
He made his choices! Fatel they were! Yet it was his choice to drink & accept the events that happened! The blame lays on the driver!  |
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Date: 4/18/2004 9:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 20581
I agree she shouldnt sue Coors...nor any pompany.. BUT her son drinking doesnt mean she is a bad parent.. Regardless of how much YOU tell them how bad it is regardless of how many times they see the effect of drinking and driving GUESS WHAT they are still going to do it.. WHY ? BECAUSE "IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN TO ME" I know, my aunt was seriously injured in a car accident all parties in both cars were drunk, well beyond legal limits. And yet my brother was just busted for drunk driving about a month ago. It is each persons choice to drink or not, regardless of if they are underage, where there is a will there is a way. I am glad that most areas have REALLY buckled down on checking ID to buy, but there is always someone that is old enough willing to buy for a few bucks. Persoanlly if I drink (which is like never) I do not leave, I won;t drive after one drink and most times I drink at my own home if I do. Now if it was that the mother bought the beer and served him then I would say that is VERY BAD parenting.  |
Date: 4/18/2004 9:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 10754
Mom doesn't want to think that she might have failed to teach her son about the responsibility, so she places the blame elsewhere and seeks some bones while she's at it. People blame TV. Media on TV blames gun or tobacco or alcohol manufacturers. Way I see it, unless Ronald McDonald held the gun to your head to make you eat that Big Mac, it's your own bloody fault that you're fat.  |
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Date: 4/18/2004 9:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 10754
Um, Midnightly.....pick up a can of Bud Light sometime, you'll see just that one there. Next.... |
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Date: 4/19/2004 2:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 62085
there is no validity to the lawsuit. Would you sue a condom maker if the sex wasn't satisfying? The mom doesn't want the blame, the kid was an adult, should we sue satan for creating sin. 25% of our nation's economy goes for lawyers & lawsuits. Everyone is a victim, noone is at fault. Some lawsuits are very valid. LOL, i work within the legal system, and its utter madness...  |
Date: 4/19/2004 4:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 53558
It is not the companies to blame. It is the kids who like to experiment. Hugs.  |
Date: 4/19/2004 5:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 14226
if that boy was in australia he still would have died except he would have been seen as a stupid adult drinking legally,driving illegally compared to an ignorant teen. you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot. Everyone escepially a 19 year old knows he should not have jumped into the car after drinking  |
Date: 4/19/2004 6:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
Judging from the comments on this post, many should be against all efforts taken towards tobacco companies to stop their advertising and glorifying of cigarette use. Not one time did I ever see a billboard, commercial or magazine ad with a 13 year old puffing away on a cigarette. In that case they should be able to start their advertising campaign back up again with absolutely no complaints because those ads weren't directed at teenagers either.  |
Date: 4/19/2004 6:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 24673
Unfortunately, this country is "sue happy", people would rather go for the big money than to take responsibility. The parent must feel guilty for not teaching her son to not drink, so she's trying to put the blame on the alcohol company.  |
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Date: 4/19/2004 6:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
Love it when evertime someone smokes on TV, it's the media " glorifying " smoking.....as if people don't do it everyday on sidewalks and in resturaunts and in their cars, in front of everyone. Gee, are they glorifying it too? Hell, it's MARKETING, just like anything else. No one holds a gun to anyone's head, and this entire country needs to pull it's head out of it's rear and accept a little thing called RESPONSIBILITY. |
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Date: 4/19/2004 7:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
Jay there is a vast difference between the use of it on a television show or movie to set a mood then there is advertising it as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I am sure someone as intelligent as yourself can see that difference. |
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Date: 4/19/2004 7:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
Jay, just for kicks...I would like to know what you attribute to the decline in youth starting the smoking habit these days? |
Date: 4/19/2004 9:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 13729
I think they do target younger people, but I dont think Coors should be the one to take the blame for his death,....  |
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Date: 4/19/2004 10:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
" advertising it as the greatest thing since sliced bread " I don't see it that way, nor have I heard those words in any advertising for cigarettes. They make Trojan condoms out to be the shiz in television commercials, maybe we should sue them too. |
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Date: 4/19/2004 11:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 855
I think teen drinking will go on no matter what...they see adults doing it so sure they want to try it,no one can stop they drinking because they will find a way to get it...it's sad to say but so true Dawn  |
Date: 4/19/2004 1:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
no they shouldnt and personally i feel if youre drinking and driving do the world a favor and take off your seat belt  |
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Date: 4/19/2004 8:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
You noticably dodged my question, choosing only to nitpick as if the sliced bread comment was literal truth. It would make complete sense for Trojan to be sued over promoting something worthy to the public like safer sex, all in the effort to save a bunch of stupid people that just keep spreading all these diseases around. I know this may be a long shot, but let's try being realistic about the situation. Can you answer my question or not? |
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Date: 4/19/2004 9:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 10754
Very well. You ask " I would like to know what you attribute to the decline in youth starting the smoking habit these days? " Perhaps greater awareness, perhaps stricter enforcement of tobacco laws? In all truth, I have yet to see such a decline, but I took a stab at it for ya. |
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Date: 4/19/2004 10:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Those attribute to it as well as increase in price through taxation and counteradvertising. To see that tobacco use in teenagers is down, one only needs to do a search to find the stats. The states with larger tobacco awareness ads and campaigns, have larger decreases than the national average on a whole. One of the patch commercials relays the situation the best. In this commercial a woman is standing outside on the deck smoking a cigarette with a party in full swing behind her inside. A man from the party approaches her, she offers him a cigarette, he declines and she says something like "It's funny, I started this to be a part of the crowd." That right there says tons. As for the decline, I got a wonderful picture of that reality this past weekend. I had just as much education as the kids of today have when I was a teenager. They weren't all that cheap after the first few years that I started, but hey by then I was already hooked, and I spent many hours standing outside getting someone to buy them for me, as it has never been easy for me at any age to obtain them. Most of the factors of today were already there when I started. The difference was where ever there was a cigarette ad, it encouraged you to take up the habit. The point of the whole thing was to sell them right? And sell them it did. Now when you see most anything that has to do with cigarette smoking, it's all about not doing it, and naturally you are going to see the result in putting them out there in a different light. There is no such thing as it's bad for you but "it's this that and the other thing so you should run right out to the 711 and buy yourself some" anymore. |
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Date: 4/19/2004 11:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
The alcohol companies are no different. You can educate until you are blue in the face on the dangers of alcohol from alcoholism to drunk driving and you won't reach teenagers, or 3 quarters of the legal adults out doing the same thing, until the alcohol companies stop "glorifying" all the good things about drinking and more focus is put on the bad things about it. |
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Date: 4/19/2004 11:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
I simply don't understand how people do not see the impact that the media in general has on people. How many times have you bought something because you saw or heard a commercial about it? How many hair, clothing and make-up styles has the general public created on their own? Companies spend billions of dollars a year on marketing and advertising with the sole purpose of influencing your decision making. Can't imagine that they would continue to spend so much if they had little or no effect in which way your decision would go. |
Date: 4/20/2004 7:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 25438
No...America is sue happy. They want to sue fast food places for making them fat, cigerette companies for giving them cancer, and now beer vendors for a death in the family???? Its getting out of hand.  |
Date: 4/24/2004 7:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 3836
Alcohol and tobacco companies obviously target adolescents. Younger people are more vulnerable to advertisments and are more likely to try something they see on TV especially if it will make you "cool"! Of course they should do more to stop teen drinking and smoking, but that would mean less money for them! I can bet in my lifetime it will only get worse.  |
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