Date: 3/3/2004 8:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
Like many discussions, you're combining two different issues; women on Howard Stern have little ( if anything ) to do with feminism, as that is the womans choice........And feminism has nothing to do with teenagers having sex. Women want to strut their stuff, let them. Parents want to scoff at Britney being the reason their daughter dresses trashy rather than taking some responsibility in their parenting abilities, there's a problem. The ONLY reason mainstream entertainment has any impact on children/teenagers is because it's the only ' role models ' the kids have, since parents and teachers seem to be slacking these days. As for women on Howard Stern, these women obviously have more self-confidence than 97% of the female population, so hey, what are they really impacting? Someone else's innocence, or someone else's comfort zones?  |
Date: 3/3/2004 8:35:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15228
It isn't just the woman on the Howard Stern show..it is the girls I see at the malls, girls walking into my daughters high school, parents I've talked to who proudly say they've taken their daughters to get birth control, parents who say kids are going to have sex anyway...which is somewhat understandable I suppose, these are the same people who can't say no to a 2 year old who wants a cookie before dinner, so why should they say no to a teenager having sex? Yeah, just what I want to see is my 14 year old proudly "stutting her stuff" at the mall. Wow, I would be flushed with pride!  |
Date: 3/3/2004 8:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 15157
These woman just want publicity and will go to any means as to get it.  |
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Date: 3/3/2004 8:37:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15228
And Jay..I'm not sure what breast implants have to do with a womans self confidence...I'm not surprised though that a male would connect bust size with self confidence. |
Date: 3/3/2004 8:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 22275
im with you on this... i am quite possible one of the most covered up girls at my school... i see some girls who make me want to just jump off a cliff its like COME ON GET SOME CLOTHES! ill NEVER understand where they get that from.  |
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Date: 3/3/2004 8:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
Now you make an assumption about me, because I merely stated a fact concerning women's confidence. Not every adult actress or Playboy cover-girl has breast implants ( or large breasts for that matter ). I'm sure though that there's an excuse for that to, based on my own ' maleness ', right? |
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Date: 3/3/2004 8:44:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15228
MeowMix--I don't mind my teenager dressing somewhat trendy, but the see through shirts cut down to the navel and pants with the front and rear portions all but showing?? Why would anyone let there kid out of the house looking like that I'll never understand. |
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Date: 3/3/2004 8:47:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15228
Okay Jay, righhhht, hardly any of those woman have breast implants..woman generally have breasts that ride directly under their chin, and it is quiet natural for a size 2 woman to have size DD breasts. |
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Date: 3/3/2004 8:49:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15228
And, of course Howard likes to discuss the issues of the day, such as cloning, terrorism and the NASA mission to mars with these woman. |
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Date: 3/3/2004 8:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
I'm just stating facts. If you want to use those to make assumptions to discredit me, then go right ahead, but it does no good for your argument. You posted your opinion, I posted mine along with a couple of facts. If you want to turn this into an argument, then gear up, because I'll be more than happy to dance. |
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Date: 3/3/2004 9:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 22275
kelly these chicks wear shirts like up to their ribs and pants that show their cracks... thats what im talking about and their tops shoe so much cleavage im like ewwwwwwwwww............ its DISGUSTING!they can wear whatever they want... i just have to turn away for my majority of the day... They cover themselved with jactets when they see security... then theres the rebels who wear it all the time no matter what.... all i can say is please enforce the dress code lol |
Date: 3/3/2004 10:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 46530
OK, lets get back to basics here. Feminism isnt about what women wear and how much sex they have, or who it is with. Feminism is about the right of women to be the same as men. Women want the right to be able to work in the same jobs and earn the same money, they want their voice to be heard just as loud as a mans and they want the respect of their peers over both genders. The issue with clothes is a good one, how can a person wear certain clothes and not expect a reaction from someone who would find that clothing alluring? But this is what is expected. Parents allow their young daughters to go out in very short skirt and almost see through tops and then expect that they will not attract the attention of those who are prone to be attracted to younger females. Obviously that is hypocritical. Women have the choice to wear what they want, that is THEIR choice, and if they want to debase themselves in that way then they are demeaning THEMSELVES. You are judging all women to be this way which is blatantly not the case, I would not judge all women similarly. As for sexual education, you are forgetting something. It isn't just the girls who need to be educated in how to have sex properly, and how to avoid the consequences of it, it should be made clearer to the boys also what the dangers are, not just to themselves but to the girls too, but how to be safe about it. The main problem here is that if you put a sixteen year old boy and a sixteen year old girl in a room with no clothes, a packet of condoms and locked the door it is likely that within an hour something would happen, and I could bet a lot of money that the contraceptives would NOT be used.  |
Date: 3/3/2004 10:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 13297
I think a parent should talk with their child about sex ed because the school system's idea of doing it is explaining the logistics of the reproductive system, which tells them how it functions but not what it will be like in real life... I think there is a certain age that a woman can have sex for sex's sake and she doesn't have to care what people think about her - she could use a man just as much as a man can use her. The only reason there is no such thing as "free love" is because women are just as guilty of condemning, judging, stereotyping and typifying women who do these things as the men. When we say look at that ****, we are just as guilty as men are for portraying and propegating the idea that women can't enjoy sex like men can or women need to be chaste and pure and ladylike in all situations. I much prefer the open aire method we go about it now to the "shove it under the rug and pretend it didn't happen methods of the 1950's". Most of feminism, in all it's forms, is undermined by women. I think staying strong, true to yourself and doing what you want to do is feminism. Respecting that you are a woman and you should be able to think for yourself outside of societal mandates is feminism. However, I think that there is a much different set of rules to be played by at 14 or 15 than at 18-30 years old. At your daughter's age, it is simply unappropriate, period. That is too young to be thinking about sex - you need to be thinking about school, good grades, college and your future. Very few people know what LOVE is at that age (I mean true love). At that age it is all hormones. I think what you are teaching your daughter is wonderful and if I had a child I would teach him or her the value of waiting and tell them ALL the reasons why they should wait. I don't think what you're experiencing with these young girls is feminism - I think it is simply bad parenting...  |
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Date: 3/3/2004 10:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 13297
I should also add that I'm not so naive to think because I would talk to my kids that they would wait. I would simply teach them HOW TO PROPERLY use contraceptives and try to have an open enough relationship with them that they could talk to me about ANYTHING before they decided to do it. I wish my mom had been more understanding and less authoritarian / draconian in her parenting style. I probably would have talked to her more and tried less of the things I tried or at least waited until I was older to try them... But c'est la vie... |
Date: 3/3/2004 10:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 1432
They just want their 5 min of fame.. I stay away from those channels they are disgusting..  |
Date: 3/3/2004 12:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 30647
Yeah, I agree with the stuff you said. But sometimes, I think, that's the only way that some women feel "special." not a very good way, but i guess in a way, they have no choice  |
Date: 3/3/2004 12:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 50864
Kelly Iagree with you and I am a liberal Democrat but that does not mean I am in favor of woman acting like tramps and dressing like them. My idea of equality for woman is in education and job oportunities not in "selling one's self" by looking and acting cheap. I have far to much respect for myself and as for"broadcasting aboutone's personal life that is sick. I don't pass myself around I think that is just gross I guess I think to much of me to sell me short  |
Date: 3/3/2004 12:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
I agree with Jay, Ad and eimaj  |
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Date: 3/3/2004 12:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
As for feminism, well, yes that IS what women fought for. To have the right to be equal to men. And some view being the same as men as giving them the right to have as many sex partners as they want, hey men do it right (not bashing on men here guys, just stating some other people's opinions). As for me, they can take their femenist views and shove them. I am not equal to a man in many ways, I am not stronger, bigger, I form a bond with any partners I have sex with, whereas men are driven to procreate with many partners, but I am smart enough to know that I need men in my life, and smart enough to ask for help when I need it. So please men keep opening doors, pulling out chairs, and helping me step up on the curb. Call me old fashioned. :P |
Date: 3/3/2004 1:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 19685
I love this post.. it's exactly how I feel. I'm not at all a feminist, and women like that are why. They make the same mistakes over and over.. men are just as bad though. My friends never listen to me and they end up with a broken heart, I'm the only one of them in a truly healthy and happy relationship, they can see that, and they'll ask me advice, but then they never take it. It's very frustrating because ever since I was probably 12 yrs old I've played the advisor, the psychiatrist for all my friends but now that I'm almost 21, I'm tired of doing it. I'm tired of dishing advice that none of them take and then being the "shoulder to cry on" when they need it. Way too often, especially due to the society we have now, people confuse love with sex, especially women. I think the world would certainly be a happier place if more people waited until they were married to have sex. People always like to say "Well you have to find out what kind of sex is out there so that you will be happy when you find that special person to spend the rest of your life with." Well, if you only have sex with one person, you won't know the difference will you? It's not really a point at all. And it's things like that where you see how much someone associates sex with love even from the very beginning of a relationship. Then women get attached and men move on. Don't get me wrong, sex is an important part of lives and relationships, it's so important people want it ALL THE TIME, but then, why is it SO casual? If it's so important and special, why are they giving it away so easily?  |
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Date: 3/3/2004 1:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 19685
And I have to disagree with Jay, the reason these women are on Howard Stern is EXACTLY the opposite, they have NO self-esteem and self confidence. That's why they have surgery, die their hair, do everything until they don't look like the same person anymore, but like a barbie, or rather, exactly what the media would have men believe is the "perfect body", the "perfect face". And that's what women do it for, everyone else, not themselves. If they have confidence, they wouldn't need to appear naked on the Howard Stern show, trying to hard to prove it. It goes the same for nearly all porn stars and such. If it's not lack of self-esteem and self-worth, it's a drug addiction, or childhood assaults if you know what I mean. Behind every extreme-confidence, you'll find an extreme-problem that's led up to it. The "NEED" to be perfect? My idea of perfect and media's idea of perfect are two very different things apparently. |
Date: 3/3/2004 1:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 53155
i personally like howard stern, i have listened to him on the radio for years and watch his show once in a while, but i can see what you are saying.  |
Date: 3/3/2004 1:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 25556
well first of all, Howard Sterns gone so dont worry about seeing his nappy head on tv, disrespecting women who are just as much at fault because they disrespect themselves. Yea yea, I know that confidence is a good thing a BLAH BLAH who cares but do those women REALLY have confidence. If you think about it NO, NO FREAKING WAY. If they really had confidence and felt good about themself then they wouldnt go on Howard Stern to "make themselves known" (know as WHAT I cant tell you) and to show that their lovely naked bodies are the only things that they have going for them. And I surely can't criticize you for going off the subject of feminism and on to teen sex education because THATS WHAT RANTS ARE!! In case you are confused.... Jay..... but how does feminism describes the Howard Stern show??? When I think of feminism I think about politics and a womens right to her own opinion and right to vote....... the list goes on. For you to even think that the trash women of todays society represent our feminism they you just might be acting silly. Thats not feminism to me. Thats ..... well you can give it whatever name you like. When I have a daughter, by the time she turns thirteen im getting her put on birth control and not telling her what it is. She can take it each day with her multi-vitamin. Now a days your crazy not to put your daughter on birth control (while I agree it may just encourage them to have sex) because what can you do. You are going to be one sorry parent when your 13 year old daughter is having a child to (possibly) a guy who will want nothing to do with her and (possibly) just dumping it off on her mother to take care of. Thats why Im going to be the devious person that I am and put my child on Birth control and not even tell her until shes much older. INFACT, i think that it should be mandatory in the united states that way our stupid taxes wouldnt be quite so **** high. (excluding those who are allergic or whatever) because lets face it. Kids are going to have sex no matter what their parents say. There will always be ways. Ofcourse I beliieve in parents being completely open with their child and giving good facts to why it is important to wait.  |
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Date: 3/3/2004 1:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 25556
The way I feel about all those people going around half naked, shakin their junk at people. HOW SAD!! How sad it is that they are waisting their sexuality on any old hot dog walking down the street. Women are godesses equiped with the power to lure men in with their sexuality but shouldnt that come WAY after emotional contact in the relationship. I am not a good example of this because god knows Ive made my mistakes and reflecting back on them makes me VERY sad but all you can do is learn from them right??? But still you see the same old people making the SAME mistakes CONTINUOSLY. I can really relate with the way shattered feels about giving advice to other who never take it and then come back crying to you. But the thing I feel the most for some of those people is such sadness that people can be so pathetic and feel so lost and desperate that they resort to vandalizing themselves and letting people RAPE their self respect. |
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Date: 3/3/2004 1:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 10754
I never said the Howard Stern show had ANYTHING to do with feminism; in fact, the only time I used the term was in stating that it has nothing to do with Howard Stern or teenagers having sex. Please re-read what I said. |
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Date: 3/3/2004 2:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 25556
LOL, Jay I wasnt talking about you. It was meant towards the Author. |
Date: 3/3/2004 2:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 10754
Ah....read that wrong...... |
Date: 3/3/2004 3:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
Ummm most guys don't see bust size as self confidence. Here's something for you. Breasts are like beer to guys. Most guys may state a preference but they will pretty much take what is on tap.  |
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Date: 3/3/2004 3:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 19685
hahaha kurt that's funny |
Date: 3/3/2004 6:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 20956
lmao @ KV ~ so true!  |
Date: 3/3/2004 10:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 62146
It is their choice I think if a girl dose not want to sex herslf up and show flesh that is her choice. I myself don't feel comfortabble wearing the stuff critina aguleria wears and stuff but what if a girl wants to show flesh. it is their choice I don't thinka girl should be forced to sex herself up but nither should she be forced not to if she acctaully likes it. People still try to control women. Althogh with this thing you mentioned about girl being used by guys girls should learn when guys are useing them. Dressing all trashy is one thing. But with girls getting them selves in trobble cause they don't want to look like a prude that is another. I don't think people should blame brittney spears cristina aguleria and that though for girls getting pregnent and stuff the girls have to get their brains together and their perents have to watch over them.  |
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Date: 3/4/2004 5:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 13297
Kethria captured my personal feelings exactly: "As for me, they can take their femenist views and shove them. I am not equal to a man in many ways, I am not stronger, bigger, I form a bond with any partners I have sex with, whereas men are driven to procreate with many partners, but I am smart enough to know that I need men in my life, and smart enough to ask for help when I need it. So please men keep opening doors, pulling out chairs, and helping me step up on the curb. Call me old fashioned." My husband is as old fashioned as it gets and I love it. But some women don't want that sort of thing and for them that works... |
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Date: 3/4/2004 7:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 18527
thankies Eimaj |
Date: 3/4/2004 8:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 13297
np Kethria - you said it beautifully  |
