Date: 2/15/2004 9:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 36901
That's crazy. As long as she is a good mother, there is no reason why she should have to deal with anything like that.  |
Date: 2/15/2004 9:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 43274
boils my blood that a country founded for religious freedom can justify doing somehting like this. im going to make the biggest stink about this i can at my school, seein as we have a lot of pagans and pagan supporters.  |
Date: 2/15/2004 9:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
that's terrible. thinkig that this case should be on the cutting edge of children and parent's rights as a family, i attempted to look it up and found many other such cases from religion to home schooling.  |
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Date: 2/15/2004 9:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2001/aug%202001/8231baby.htm |
Date: 2/15/2004 9:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15319
Its just plain nuts. THREE sets of parents fighting to keep their kids in the SAME city, over the same argument: Pagan parents are unfit.  |
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Date: 2/15/2004 9:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
this one is really great too. these people are going to possibly lose their children over standardized testing http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33077 |
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Date: 2/15/2004 9:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 62487
I dont know the whole story but it truly sounds sad, I know that my husband too is fighting for custody of his son, yet the circumstances are really different, and I can tell you that there are No set laws, It is all politics and whatever the judges mood is at the time, It is really sad...and it is the children that pay....*tamara |
Date: 2/15/2004 9:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 62338
I don't agree with that type of religion,but I do agree with you it is not the goverment place to tell you what religion you serve as long as the child is not being hurt in any form.Hope everything works out...Rawhide  |
Date: 2/15/2004 9:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 53909
Oh my, that's awful. I really don't know what to say.  |
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Date: 2/15/2004 9:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
http://www.theraleighworld.com/fullarticle.asp?ID=71 |
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Date: 2/15/2004 9:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
might there be truth to this? i wonder. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,44851,00.html |
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Date: 2/15/2004 9:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
wow check this one. no grounds found and still social services managed to drag it out. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22006 |
Date: 2/15/2004 9:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
This sounds like a child custody case and nothing to do with the government. Her husband probably filed the papers and that's his words not the governments. They can do it if a parent files a temporary custody order with the court. If the name under petitioner is her exs then that's who's responsible for this. Just because he filed doesn't mean he'll win except this is Alabama and nothing surprises me there. Here's a legal aid number for Dotham.  |
Date: 2/16/2004 12:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 62422
i wouls find out the true source of who actually contected the social services in the first place. because the system doesn't just wake up one day and say okay we will take this persons child away today without haveing a report done on the parents behavior. man i feel for her big time.
cyndi.  |
Date: 2/16/2004 12:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 53128
they'll take away a child from a loving mother who just happens to be Wiccan, although she's a wonderful parent... yeah... that sounds just right, doesn't it? Instead of wasting their energy and time trying to tear apart this woman and her child's lives, why don't they help other children with parents who REALLY need to check their parenting skills. Geez.  |
Date: 2/16/2004 12:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 62146
Thats crazy yes wiccan do have the power to do some pretty heavy staff (thats why you don't anoy them) But ok every relgion can be either good or evil it just depends on where you palce it. Like with Christians they have killed people for simply not beliveng in god dose that mean people had the right to drag me away from my family. These peopel that ahve taken away this womans child have acctaully violated some human rights laws. People should realise although wiccans can put hex's on you you can do healing spells. And spells for luck people just only think about the bad sides the wiccan.  |
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Date: 2/16/2004 12:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 59876
cps had and has a good purpose, but often they overstep their bounds or are so beaurocratically inept that a child is more harmed than helped. personally, i've seen about 50/50 on harm and help. |
Date: 2/16/2004 5:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 60052
Unfortunately, I don't know anything about witchcraft or Paganism. I'm sure that there are many misconceptions. I'm afraid that maybe the government in Dothan is afraid that there are "live sacrifices" made or something determined morally dispicible by the powers that be. Even though there are many religions that I don't agree with their practices, I don't see any reason to take a child from his/her home as long as the child is not suffering abuse or neglect. I think that I would need to know more information (like specific things they claim are detrimental to the child's well-being) before I could make a knowledable decision on this matter. Being a witch in essence doesn't mean that the mother is harming her child, unless she is subjecting him to abuse or neglect in the name of religion.  |
Date: 2/16/2004 6:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 1432
This is wrong totaly but for some reason Im getting we are missing a big part of the story behind it all... I feel for the child having to go through this..  |
Date: 2/16/2004 9:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 1799
GRRR... stupid people.. this just makes me mad..  |
Date: 2/16/2004 9:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 11097
Omgosh....that is terrible! I don't know what to say.... my prayers are with her that she gets her son back, if indeed she is a great mother then there was no reason for any of this to happen, I am sorry. Give her a ((hug)) for me? Keep us updated!  |
Date: 2/16/2004 9:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 19092
I have to agree with Base. This is a custody case. The state is not seeking custody of her children based upon her "religious" beliefs...her X is. And like Base said, these are most likely "his" words.  |
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Date: 2/16/2004 10:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 60052
Just because you think it's sinful, doesn't make it so, LC! I'm not Wiccan, but I'm not going to make judgements against people I don't know anything about! I'm sorry, but I'm shocked and apalled! It's people like you that cause things like this to hapen, separating children from happy families for the reasons of closed-minds and ignorance. |
Date: 2/16/2004 10:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
I personally think the whole Wiccan thing is alot of bunk but we have a constitutional right to practice any religion we wish unless it harms or infringes on someone elses rights. This is obviously a custody issue that may be being blamed on religion when in fact if this were the only issue it will never hold up in court.  |
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Date: 2/16/2004 10:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
I'm with base on the Christian radical right types as well. All you zealots do nothing but amuse and or disgust me. And I haven't been hit by a lightning bolt or turned into a toad yet. You CAN be a religious and spiritual person without being a flaming pain in the rear. |
Date: 2/16/2004 11:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
Don't believe everything you read in email. I think this story here, there is alot that the media will not talk about. I highly doubt that religion is the only issue here. The Media is not telling the whole story. Your friend may not be telling you the whole story.  |
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Date: 2/16/2004 4:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15319
DrkPtrs, 99% of the time I would myself say something is missing from this story. But I went to see the woman and her current husband, who both confirmed the e-mail. I ran into the woman a couple of days ago buying a book called Pagans and the Law. Banner I understand your POV, and at first I thought religion isn't the only issue. But after talking to this woman, her husband, several of the families friends, I have simply found no other reason. I've seen this womans house, which is well kept, she doesn't drive a 'clunker' car, shes never once hit or abused her children. It is interesting to know, that shortly before this happened, her ex-husband mysteriously became born again. |
Date: 2/16/2004 5:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Even though I'm not Pagan or Wiccan, I feel this is wrong. Denying a parent their parental rights is wrong on the sole basis of religious beliefs. I would totally agree with one parent getting custody over the other due to abuse or neglect of some sort but if it's a only because of how they "believe"...it's wrong. It sounds like your friend is living in a "fishbowl scenario." I can understand, I once lived in a state that's COMPLETELY ran by one particular religion. There was predjudice their against anyone that didn't believe as they did. Unfortunately, there are states, cities and many communities that are so tight knit they can't see that what they're doing is discriminating. It also sounds like the father of this child doesn't have any REAL grounds to claim sole custody by so he grasping at straws and massively exagerating or lying to the courts. The first thing this mother should do is to get written NOTARIZED statements from those who know her as a mother and can vouche for her character. She needs to get as much and as many people to back her up as possible. This should be ready and in writing before any court hearings. I think you're on the right track by looking on the internet and asking attorneys out of the jurisdiction of this particular local government. You may want to contact someone from your State Representatives office and seek some adivice there too. Many attorneys will give one free consultation so a person can decide whether or not to have them as representation. Unfortunately, since this is a family court situation, most likely there won't be any collectable fees for your friend and therefore most attorneys won't offer a contingency agreement on this case. I wish her the best of luck and hope she gets the help she needs. She is lucky to have you as a friend.  |
Date: 2/16/2004 7:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
She must have people of good standing who can testify as to her character and her ability to parent well. She needs to get witnesses who will testify on her behalf.  |
Date: 2/16/2004 8:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
What does the boy want? Is he old enough to have his wishes respected? God Bless.  |
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Date: 2/17/2004 12:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15319
No Deb, unfortunately he is not. The child is, if I'm not mistaken, about 5. |
Date: 2/22/2004 1:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 60395
It's not like she's harming her children! she's a good mother according to what you said and it's wrong for them to take her children  |
Date: 4/6/2009 3:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
The husband is a born again christian, of course he isn't going to want his children exposed to the wiccan way. Sorry but I don't blame him.  |
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Date: 4/6/2009 6:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 36901
What ever happened? Did she get her son back? |
