Date: 2/15/2004 6:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 59266
Personally, i believe that a woman has a right to choose. If i was a woman i would never do it tho. It is not meant to be.... but its not up to anybody but the mother and what she wants.  |
Date: 2/15/2004 6:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
Yes, but still if they did not want a child then why not use protection?  |
Date: 2/15/2004 6:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 29387
This was thoroughly discussed in the post "PRO-CHOICE", but for my interest, do you still feel the same way if a women was raped? Or how about a a pregnant young teenager? And don't say that those children can be adopted because most times, those children spend most of their earlier lives in an orphanage or home, which is a traumatic experience. Admittedly, some forms of abortion are worng, but for the greater good, it should be the women's choice.  |
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Date: 2/15/2004 6:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 59266
although, if you dont want kids, dont have sex. protection wasnt meant to be either. I believe that you shouldnt have sex until you are married. |
Date: 2/15/2004 6:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 58334
Well what if a woman got pregnant and her life was in danger? If she had they baby she would die. They'd probably would want to get rid of the pregnancy then risk thier life.  |
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Date: 2/15/2004 6:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
Well, then it would not be her fault Nawikie (or whatever) I am refering to women with the choice sorry that I did not specific it. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 7:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
a young teen Mike, should not be having sex in the first place, a raped girl, well if she did not want to have the baby I think I would understand, also I believe in waiting to have sex until your married too, which is strange considering that we disagree alot. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 7:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 58334
Well, since it's thier bodies they have a choice. Personally I see nothing wrong w/ it. i admit, it's a horrible thing, but sometimes in life we have to do things that are hard. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 7:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
yes I know but still they should be aware of the risks. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 7:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 58334
No offense, but you're young. There's stil a lot you need to learn about the world. I'm sure these woman think of the risks well before they make the desicion. It would be unwise not too. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 7:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
and I would like to say, I am sorry to anyone in my earlier posts that I offended, I hope you will forgive and forget, and if you were offencive to me I would like it if you also apologized. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 7:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
I know I am young, I have not even been kissed! but I still like to express my opinion, it is my nature. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 7:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 29387
Actually, I agree with you on that. Young teens should not be having sex. And preferably, I'd rather have my children wait until they're married. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 7:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
very wise desicion Mike12. |
Date: 2/15/2004 7:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 52141
I believe its the mothers choice.. sometimes pregnancy is an accident you can still get pregnant when on the pill(some grown an immunity to it if they have taken it for a long while) or if your using a condom what if it breaks? Well shoot you were trying to have protected sex but you end up getting pregnant anyways and theres no way you could support the child and no way you'd be able to give up the child if it was born so dun dun dun abortion.. to me its up to the mother.. no one has the right to judge it right or wrong.. less you are the mother yourself going through this choice... so i guess i jsut don't really care if you do it great you live iwth the guild if not cool you work your butt off trying to support it...  |
Date: 2/15/2004 7:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 19875
Birth control doesn't always work, I've met women who were using the pill and condoms and still got pregnant. Sometimes accidents happen with the protection, like the condom has a hole or comes off before it's supposed to. In those cases they knew the risks, protected themselves and got pregnant anyway. I've always been pro-choice, simply because I won't tell someone what they can and cannot do with their own body.  |
Date: 2/15/2004 8:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 43214
I agree with you. I think that if people want to have intercourse, but not children, they should take the precautions to avoid it before hand, such as protection, or the pill, or all those other things they have now. With all of those products available, I don't see why people are still having abortions  **huggs**  |
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Date: 2/15/2004 8:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
darts ya and sparks, then if they were using a condom and it broke I think if it was a young teen she should not be having sex, if it was a married couple I think there is no reason why not to keep the baby. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 8:27:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
princess angel thank you for agreeing with me! |
Date: 2/15/2004 8:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 15319
Cinn, people get pregnant because of failed birth control all the time. Even though the pill is (I believe) about 99% effective, there is always that other 1%. Let me ask you, have you researched this topic? Do you have a logical and intelligent estimation of when 'life' begins? And I do hope your not about to tell me the moment they stop having sex.  |
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Date: 2/15/2004 8:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 15319
"With all of those products available, I don't see why people are still having abortions" You think the man who just smashed some girl over the head and is currently raping her is concerned about wether or not hes wearing a condom? |
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Date: 2/15/2004 8:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
Dark Angel, As I said before I was reffering to people who have the choice. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 8:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 43214
So was I, Dark Angel. |
Date: 2/15/2004 8:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 62066
I've got mixed feelings on the matter. A baby doesn't "suddenly" come alive the moment it is conceived, gradually and gradually it changes into and embryo and a foetus and so on and so forth. If a woman is raped by some sicko, then she should have the choice to abort. If a baby is conceived through an out of date condom, or failed pill then the woman should have the choice. But if she has sex BY CHOICE and is aware there is no protection, then decides that she doesn't want the baby, she's an idiot. Adoption is always a choice as well.  |
Date: 2/15/2004 9:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
The spirit enters the body at birth. I was told that by God.... I don't argue with God.  |
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Date: 2/15/2004 9:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 19875
So really you should be debating on if young teens should be allowed to have sex, not if abortion is right or wrong. |
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Date: 2/15/2004 9:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 62487
I dont agree with abortion either....But it is one of those old age debates that never can seem to be settled, or fixed, would I judge harshly someone who has had one? I would definately try not to....I think all babies, even the unwanted and accidents, are a blessed miricle...And I just try not to think about it, because it is something I cant control....it is someone elses choice and I cant control others, sometimes it is best to pray for that person or persons and hope they make the right decision....>>>>>tamara |
Date: 2/15/2004 10:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 6860
As everyone else has said, even with birth control, accidents can happen. Abortion is one of those things that there are so many circumstances surrounding it; I don't think its possible for anyone to say whether they're against it or for it totally. Unless we have been in their shoes, we really have no right to tell them that they are wrong. I don't agree with abortion being used as a form of birth control, but in general it is the woman's choice. To be honest, if I were to get pregnant right now, I would have an abortion just because I'm too immature to handle the responsibility of not only raising a child, but also carrying it. Yes, I am aware of the risks and I know it would be my responsibility, but knowing that I got pregnant and terminated the life of my child would be a huge responsibility as well. And also Author, your comment: "If it was a married couple I think there is no reason why not to keep the baby." Some couples just DO NOT want children for their own personal reasons, or maybe for health reasons (perhaps the mother has some type of mental illness that would prevent her from being able to be a good mother, or maybe the father is disabled and cannot work to provide for his family). Just because two people are married does not mean that they want children. Also, maybe they can't afford children or they don't have the proper support and resources needed for raising a child. There are so many things to take into consideration when having a child, and so many things to consider when terminating parental rights. Like I said, this is a subject that has so many gray areas, and one who has little knowledge of experience in this area, or even those who do have some knowledge, don't have the right, and shouldn't tell other people what to do. What is right for one person is wrong for another, and we can't base a concrete opinion or response on individuality and case-by-case experiences.  |
Date: 2/16/2004 6:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
I've only known two woman who've had abortions. Both of them were married woman. One was a close friend, my husband went to her and offered to adopt the baby (we'd been trying for several years to get pregnant)..he didn't tell me, SHE told me he had done this and when she told him "NO" because it would be to "hard" to part with the baby, he left with tears in his eyes. Since this is a "G" rated site I can't say what I thought of this woman. I'll settle for calling her selfish with a touch of evil.  |
Date: 2/16/2004 7:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 15777
I believe in the right to choose as well. But lately I find myself angry about it because I've been trying to have a baby for a little more then a year and no luck. Starting to think I can't have children and that's killing me.  |
Date: 2/16/2004 7:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 42522
The only time I think an abortion is the right thing to do is if you became pregnant through incest or rape. Otherwise, if you were responsible enough to have sex, you should take what you brought into the world into full consideration.  |
Date: 2/16/2004 10:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 12966
i do not believe that abortion is right in any case. It's not ok if she was raped or if her life is in danger. God created life and He is the ONLY ONE who should be able to tale it away. If it is God's plan for a child to be born or for the mother to die, then people should not interfear with God's plan!  |
Date: 2/16/2004 10:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Less than 2% of abortions are due to rape/ incest or because the mother's life is in danger. The rest could be prevented by some plain personal responsibility.  |
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Date: 2/16/2004 12:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
Mad mc, and liqued chicken, I could not agree with you more, running, and the rest who dont agree thanks for your apinions even if I dont agree. |
Date: 2/16/2004 12:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
I am going to reply to this without reading the comments, just so I can express my view without getting caught up in other comments. First of all, you are a kid. When I was your age, I thought abortion was wrong too. But as I GREW UP I realized that this world isn't always going to follow what I think is right. Abortion is a personal choice. Call it murder... call it ridding the body of excess cells...whatever. I see nothing wrong with it unless women are using it as a form of birth control. I am married, I am taking all the precautions, but I would still consider an abortion if I turned up pregnant, because I do not want a child at this point in my life. It's my body, my choice, would you prefer I have the child and abuse it because i resent it? Or perhaps I should have it and sent it to some over crowded childrens home where it will wait to be adopted by god-knows-who... Uh, no.  |
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Date: 2/16/2004 2:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
well, it is your chioce, I dont agree but your opinion. |
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Date: 2/16/2004 2:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
and just becuse I am a kid does not mean I dont have the right to say what I think, I will always believe that abortions are wrong, and nobody will change my mind. Sorry but once I believe somthing i stick to it. |
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Date: 2/16/2004 4:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 15319
"If it is God's plan for a child to be born or for the mother to die, then people should not interfear with God's plan" Please do not reproduce under any circumstance. It is people like you that would turn this country into a Theocracy in a heartbeat if given the chance. |
Date: 2/16/2004 5:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Yes, I too believe abortion is wrong and I wish there was more information, support and information available to those contemplating it. Unfortunately, we live in an imperfect world and we cannot make people's decisions for them. Abortion, plain and simply is murder but I will not judge any woman that's chosen abortion as her option. Judging the act of abortion is fine but to judge the person that chooses it, isn't our right.  |
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Date: 2/16/2004 6:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
ya, "you choose" |
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Date: 2/16/2004 6:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
Darty, Abortion in my opinion is wrong wether your 14 or 40 |
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Date: 2/16/2004 6:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
It really isn't very smart to say you've made up your mind and you aren't changing it. Who knows what might happen. |
Date: 2/17/2004 12:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 21867
...experience is often the best teacher...and the true test of whether your beliefs hold up or not...its a different story when you're living it I would imagine...  |
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Date: 2/17/2004 6:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 19875
Even if it's rape or a tubular pregnancy? |
Date: 2/17/2004 8:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
"If it is God's plan for a child to be born or for the mother to die, then people should not interfear with God's plan!" Thats rather sad, but then again after reading other comments of yours, I'm not surprised you'd come up with that. The same should be with illnesses and diseases, you shouldn't take medication, don't interfere with Gods plan right? Well sorry you or this God has no say in other peoples lives. This is one reason why I don't support christianity, by a comment of yours on another post I should be thrown in jail, don't lose any sleep that I'm free to walk the streets.  |
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Date: 2/17/2004 8:27:00 AM
From Authorid: 52141
i'm only 18.. at 14..16 and so on i still felt abortion is fine its the mothers choice they live with the guilt of the choice so what does it matter to you? Oh right its the killing of a unborn child.. well when this child was born would you be there to help the mother take care of it or to adopt it yourself if the mother couldn't take care it? Just so the mother wouldn't have an abortion because you feel its not right and very wrong. Sex is not always just sex its communication a way to speak love between two people when there are no words to be said.. now even then people take the precautions and still get pregnant well oops darn i can't take care of this child i'm married with a loving husband we just don't have the money or anything for it and i don't wanna give my kid up to some adoption agency where he/she will grow up living in one home after another always wondering why there parents gave them up always feelings they weren't good enough to be kept and loved.. i would never put my child through that.. never.. so its God's choice when we should be born die and so on.. why does God choose such bad times to have a child born in this world when children are one of God's greatest gifts? A child born into a family that beats and rapes it or born into a family where no love can be found or born into a family that just gives it away without a second glance? please.. |
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Date: 2/17/2004 8:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 52141
So would it be wrong if a woman of say 40 got pregnant when they told her she couldn't.. and that woman would possibly die if that baby was born.. Would you rather have yourself killed and the baby live without ever knowing a mother but some foster homes or would you rather spare that baby that life and live out yours to share your experience and heartbreak with everyone else? |
Date: 2/17/2004 8:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 52141
You may not care about our opinions but you should be respectful to them as i am of yours its your choice but you make a post like this your going to get both opinions whether you care or not... and frankly your arguments on the case are not that grand.. almost seems as if you just wanna start some kind of uproar *shrugs* your opinions change as you get older saying they wont just prooves your immaturity  |
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Date: 2/17/2004 10:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 6860
Author, elaborating on Dizzy's last comment, I'd have to say I completely agree with her. A few years ago, I stood where you did, thinking abortion was wrong in any instance, and it was as black and white as that. However, I finally realized that there are so many circumstances surrounding a major decision such as abortion, and that you can't completely say "Yes, it's a choice." or "No, it's murder." Like I said before, there are so many circumstances surrounding abortion, and so many people fail to take that into consideration, as well as the woman's feelings. I think a lot of people think that a woman goes in, does her business, and leaves; but there are so many emotions as well, and I don’t think any of us could image that unless we've been there. Overall, I think there is a lack of understanding on this subject, but that’s relatable because there are so many things involved in it, and I don't think any of us will ever TRULY understand. Author, you're 12, and I'm not gonna give you crap because of your age; I get that a lot and also I'm only 15. But you're at that age where all you see is the black and white in a situation. Your brain isn't as developed yet, and your hormones haven't really started kicking in. The more you go through puberty and the more you learn about life and the different people in it, the more you will begin to see the gray areas, and the more you will have different views on a situation. And, as someone else mentioned above, experience is the best teacher. But overall, I think it is important for you to keep your mind open and to realize that your opinions can and sometimes will change, but that’s not a bad thing. Just stay open minded and respectful; you'll get a lot of respect back, and you'll learn in the process. |
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Date: 2/17/2004 2:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 29387
No one has said it better Running Wolf, and no one will. |
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Date: 2/17/2004 2:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
I do care about your opinions, that is why I put this post up. and dizzy me I know I wont change my opinion, darty if it is rape I would not blame the mom but I would still feel horrible if I was the mom, and sparks, If a 40 yr old woman was pregnat and could die from having the baby, she could take the chance, doctors are not always right. |
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Date: 2/17/2004 4:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
WHAT??? You think someone should risk their life to have a child? No way. Not this woman. Why is that baby's life worth more than the mothers? |
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Date: 2/17/2004 5:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 19875
So do you think abortion is right or wrong? |
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Date: 2/17/2004 9:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
Dartsy, I thought it would be obvious that I think it is wrong, it says so in my post, Dizzy Me I think that a 40 year old could risk their life becuase they have already lived more than half or more of what the average human being survives, and a babie would have hi/her whole life ahead of them. |
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Date: 2/17/2004 10:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 6860
Hmmm, here I try to post something thought-provoking for the author and she doesn't respond. Did I offend you? Just curious to see how you'd respond. |
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Date: 2/18/2004 7:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 52141
She could take that chance but then if she died that babe would live without ever knowing its mothers arms or love if it had no father or immediate relatives it'd be passed on and on and on between different homes different foster homes never knowing true love from a parent.. would you really want to give a child that life? if you knew there was slim to no chance of living through the birthing you sacrifice yourself for something that may die within the hour of being born... |
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Date: 2/18/2004 7:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 52141
i don't think i could ever do that.. call it selfish but i'd ratherl ive and tell my tale of loss and guilt for yes as the wolf up there said many upon many emotions go through a woman its not a slam bam thankyou mam type of deal.. you know the woman who does this has to live with that guilt in the back of her mind ever single day.. there are many scenarios surrounding abortions some are yes wrong but some are right.. also like wolf said you are young as you grow you'll have a more open mind about certain things.. atleast i hope you will |
Date: 2/18/2004 11:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 62060
I completely agree with Running Wolf - you can never perceive the world as black and white, only shades of grey. There will always be unforseen circumstances that come into play. As to the age-related comments - please don't judge all younger people by these standards. I have always been pro-abortion if it is needed, only opposing abortion as birth control.  |
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Date: 2/18/2004 11:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 51725
abortion is murder, get to the root of the problem with STERILIZATION |
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Date: 2/18/2004 2:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
running I did not care to respond because there is obviously no aruging with you. Sparks, O.k. I get it, but I was not refering to you. any other Woman may have a different view. |
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Date: 2/18/2004 3:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
and I have gone through puberty running, my brain is just fine yes it is not developed fully yet but I can think that is wrong, And I am not changing my opinion,So sorry. |
Date: 2/19/2004 9:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 53507
hunny... your twelve... your NO WAY near through puberty yet!  |
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Date: 2/19/2004 1:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 6860
Author, I'm not trying to give you something to argue about. I was trying to tell you something insightful and to get you to consider the things that I said. I'm not attacking you in any way, I'm just telling you that you should keep your mind open and that in a few years you'll begin to see the gray areas of things. That's not to say that your opinion on abortion will change, that’s not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that you are not at a mature age yet (that’s your body’s fault, not yours. Your body and brain and mind have not matured yet, you’re 12 for crying out loud, you’ve only just begun to go through puberty) and you are failing to see things as something other than black and white. You may have a know-it-all attitude now, but in a few years I hope you won't when you have more knowledge and experience with life. There, I think I'm done. Take that into consideration or don't, I'm just trying to get you to think outside of what you believe, and trying to make you see that you don’t know everything. No one does, whether you’re 5, 25, or 105. For now, just listen to other people’s opinions and respect them because you’ll get the same respect back, and like I said before, you’ll learn a lot about the topic that you’re debating. Life is a learning process; you don’t just stop when you think you’ve made up your mind because you may eventually change your mind and use that knowledge that you’ve acquired to make a valid and well-educated opinion. |
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Date: 2/19/2004 2:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
Ya I am, I have everything but my period, which I am expecting any day. I geuss I'm an early bloomer. O.k. Running I try to be open minded to others opinions thats why I posted this if I did not want to hear other opinions I would keep it to myself. |
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Date: 2/20/2004 9:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 53507
It's not just about your body, puberty is to do with the way you think and act too, your not through it till your like 18.... |
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Date: 2/20/2004 1:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
well I'm more mature than my 17 year old sister at times. But she may just be one of those immature people. |
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Date: 2/20/2004 2:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
Puberty lasts several years. You are most likely just in the beginnings of it. |
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Date: 2/20/2004 2:23:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
o.k., o.k. so I started at ten, darn 5 years to go. |
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Date: 2/20/2004 3:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 53507
honey, i started EVERYTHING at ten, you still have a LONG way to go |
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Date: 2/20/2004 6:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
I get the POINT. |
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Date: 2/25/2004 8:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
If that's the case Mimminez then a lot of people on here haven't reached puberty yet LOL. |
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Date: 2/25/2004 9:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 53507
Mimminez?????????? |
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Date: 2/26/2004 8:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 19875
Well if it's wrong then why do you say it's ok i she's raped or if it's a danger to the mother's life? Your opinion seems slightly wishy-washy to me. |
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Date: 2/26/2004 8:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 19875
*if |
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Date: 2/26/2004 3:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36537
I cant change the world. If I was raped and got pregnat I dont think I would kill the babie but I would not blame a girl if she did get rid of it but I dont support it. |
Date: 12/21/2005 2:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 46486
I don't know, I believe every woman has the right to choose. It just depends on the situation and how she got pregnant. IMO.  |
Date: 2/7/2006 6:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 56176
i belive it is wrong  |
