Date: 1/19/2004 8:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 10798
I don't see how this could be. ADD and ADHD weren't really identified until recently, so how could somebody declare these people had it without examining them? They're all dead! Personally, I don't believe there is any such thing as AHD and ADHD.  |
Date: 1/19/2004 8:12:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
That's fine that you don't believe it doesn't exist. I live with a 7 year old that has it. I have enough proof of it in front of my eyes. There are also many people like me, that were overlooked as children and weren't diagnosed until later in adulthood.  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 8:12:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
You may also want to try reading up the subject Songbird. It might surprise you. |
Date: 1/19/2004 8:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 37843
kool, were they all ADD or were some of them ADHD? My best friend was ADHD but now hes just ADD... he grew out of the hyperactivity... SongBird: They were identified a while back because my best friend is 17 and they identified it when he was a little kid.  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 8:16:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
My daughter was intially diagnosed with ADHD and they changed it to ADD when they medicated her. Although I still see the hyperactivity. However when I went to her appointment to get her meds the doctor had an intern in the room with him and described her as having ADHD. I think he made a typo on the paper he gave me the first time though..LOL |
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Date: 1/19/2004 8:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 37843
They gave her meds to get rid of the hyperactivity? Typo is a definate possibility. g2g, hope the medication doesn't turn her into a zombie like kid. |
Date: 1/19/2004 8:19:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Here's a good link about the myths.. http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/ten_myths.htm |
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Date: 1/19/2004 8:22:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
WP and that would be MY fault if it did. It's up to me to watch her medication and look for signs that shouldn't be there. Her first prescription was too high of a dose. It didn't make her a zombie she was just sad on it. Now she has a different medication and a different dose. I don't medicate when she is not at school. So weekends and holidays she doesn't take anything. Except today, they are home from school and she took the first pill of her new prescription so that I can see how it changes her. It doesn't do any good if I give it to her and then send her to school for 7 hours, I only end up seeing the tail end of the medicine when she comes home. |
Date: 1/19/2004 8:27:00 AM
From Authorid: 58427
Thats very interesting. My younger sister is 10yrs old and has ADD. She takes Adderall in the mornings and Clonodine at night to help her sleep. She takes it everyday though, school or not.  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 8:29:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
I am wondering if it will end up that my daughter will have to take something to help her sleep too Peaches. She lays awake in her bed at night for about 2 hours before she actually falls asleep. I am the same way too. It takes me forever to settle down and go to sleep. |
Date: 1/19/2004 8:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 59418
WOW lol!! How strange..  |
Date: 1/19/2004 8:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 57579
That's cool I think Johnny Depp has it but that's just me but it is nice to see that celebrities and other famous people arent as perfect as they seem *hugs*  |
Date: 1/19/2004 9:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 25756
Interesting. :-D  |
Date: 1/19/2004 9:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 22992
Theyll slap just about any kid who wont pay attention with ADD or ADHD now a days... i think its crazy.. sure it does exist but there are way to many healthy children on wacked out riddalin  |
Date: 1/19/2004 9:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 49091
ELVIS?! Robin Williams?! Bill Gates?! OH WOWSERS!!! *jaw drops* You'd never expect these people to had ADD/ADHD  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 49091
Its amazing how all these had ADD/ADHD and did AMAZING things :-D :-D |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:24:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Lord Ox and do you have knowledge of the kind of testing that is done to determine ADD or ADHD? |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:25:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
And for the record ritalin doesn't whack you out. Medications for ADD or ADHD don't WHACK anyone with ADD or ADHD out, it SLOWS them down. |
Date: 1/19/2004 9:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 33978
I find this interesting too. My son does not have ADD or ADHD but he is low on the spectrum for Autism. Since researching it, I have found that there are theories of famous geniuses possibly having Autism too. They are theories based on what they know of these people and what they now know of Autism, but ofcourse they have to remain theories because they can't examine or diagnose them now. As for being too qucik to medicate kids these days, that all depends on the doctor and the parents. I agree with you Az about it being the parent's responsibility. The parents have to be aware and even talk to more than one doctor. Only once did a doctor even mention medication for my son. But after he examined Jonathan more and after we visited other doctors and counselors, it was decided Occupational Therapy is what he needs. Meds can be a good thing for those that really need it. Jonathan does not need it so for him it wouldn't fix his problems, it would just be a band aid. Good Luck and hugs,  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:26:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
GB, common misconception is that people with ADD or ADHD are stupid, when if fact they tend to have very high IQ's and tend to learn at an accelerated pace. It's getting them to slow down long enough to process the information that is the problem..LOL |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:30:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Sp my daughter did occupational therapy when she was 3 1/2 until a short while after she turned 4. She also did speech therapy, special education preschool, she meets with the school psychologist, she eats lunch with a therapist on Tuesdays with some other kids and learns peer and social skills. This is all top of having a pediatrician that specializes in developmental needs and has for the last 40 years. He sees her once a month to do a follow up on her medication, check her height and weight, appetite and talk about what the medication may or may not be doing. She has been a patient of his developmental clinic since she was 3, and we finally switched both of my kids over to him as their primary last year because her other pediatrician wouldn't even address her developmental issues. |
Date: 1/19/2004 9:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 54968
WOw! I never knew that! Thanks for sharing!  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:38:00 AM
From Authorid: 33978
Yep, I knew you were on top of things! It's lots of work, isn't it?!!! Jonathan has speech therapy too and goes to both special ed preschool and regular preschool. Our goal is to get him ready for ordinary kindergarten. Luckily, he's low on the Autism spectrum so if we do everything he needs now, he'll grow up to be one of those persons with Autism but no one could tell unless he actually tells them. Actually, most ppl can't tell now...if he were talking more, no one could tell at all. He's also extremely smart, he's always amazing ppl with how he can spell and read. He seems to talk better when reading. Hugs, |
Date: 1/19/2004 9:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 40530
Interesting  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:47:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Sp it's exhausting. I have also done some looking into my family line and I am completely amazed. My father takes two medications an anti- anxiety and a depression medication, the result? Same thing that medication for ADD and ADHD do. My cousin is also on the same meds, her son (who is my age) was treated as a child with medication for ADHD. My sister's two children are both being medicated and treated for ADHD, and most likely since she and her spouse both have it, their third child will most likely end up being treated. I am not being treated and never have been treated but KNOW without a shread of doubt that I have ADHD. It's not about hyperness, it's not about not being able to sit, it's not about not being able to stay calm. It's so much more than that. It's not possible to describe it in words. My daughter is not a bad a child but if you spent 2 days with her off the medication and then 2 days with her on it. You would be able to understand it completely. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:48:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
There is also 4 more cousins that I know of currently being treated for ADHD or ADD and at least another 5 that you just know had it as children and weren't treated also. |
Date: 1/19/2004 9:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 56293
Wow! Interesting to see that Bill Gates is on the list .. Never would have thought it. Thanks for sharing AZ!  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 33978
I know what you mean! Jonathan has so much energy! When his body needs stimulation, he comes and jumps on her or his dad! He also will hug his baby sister too tight. He has OT twice a week now but he needs it every day for a few hours! You need not explain anything to me, I took care of a few kids with ADD and ADHD when I was in child care. Ofcourse they were not bad kids. They were actually very easy to care for once I was able to help them figure out what to do with themselves when they were "hyper". You sound like a great mom and your daughter is very lucky to have you. Hugs, |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 33978
oops...I mean he jumps on me and his dad. Lol...I typed "her" and I meant ME. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 10:05:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Sp, see that is the difference...LOL. My daughter used to bounce of the walls literally, but now that she is older the traits of the hyperactivity have changed themselves. It's just like me as an adult with it. I am not hyper, but I am talkative, I can't sit down and watch TV, I HAVE to be doing something with my hands, so I crochet or cross stitch, yet in all these years I can count on both hands the number of things that I have finished. I can spend hours on the computer but I am ALL over the place. I can spend about 15 minutes on one thing and then I have to move on to something else. It's more of a boredom thing and never finding anything to keep you from being bored for very long. Like my daughter, she is up my butt constantly because she is bored. |
Date: 1/19/2004 10:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 6860
This is interesting, I just am confused on how people who have been dead long before ADD and ADHD had been really looked into have been diagnosed? Did psychologists look back at records of their lifestyle? I'm just unclear on how Charlotte/Emily Bronte would have been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD and they've been dead since the late 1800s. Could you explain this to me?  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 10:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 33978
HEY! In describing yourself...you kind of descrtibed ME!!! LOL!!! I have always had to do crafts while watching TV. And I am the same way on the computer!! The kids have me so exhausted these days that lately, I can now just sit and watch TV without working on a project! |
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Date: 1/19/2004 10:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 33978
Oh yeah...and I'm real talkative too!!! |
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Date: 1/19/2004 10:12:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
RW, you hit the nail on the head. If you look back at my school records you would find without a doubt that I have ADHD and wonder how in the world with me only being 27, a close relative of mine being treated for ADHD to boot at the time I was growing up, and still being overlooked as having it and going without treatment. There are many traits that can characterize one as having ADHD or ADD. Possibly reading the diaries of these people and finding out how they felt about their life or themselves is the way they determined it, other family members and friends doing interviews about them. Someone who specializes in the development of ADHD or ADD can sit down and talk with you and KNOW that you have it. I myself, dealing with it through my daughter as well as myself can pick an ADHD or ADD unmedicated child out a group on the playground. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 10:16:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Some of the same things that they characterize little kids with they also use for adults. Like loosing things is a major characteristic. Every single time I put my coat and shoes on to go somewhere I have to search the house for my keys. Now simple thing would be to put a nail on the wall and put your key on it right? Do you think that I can remember with the other 20 things racing through my head to come in the door and hang the stupid key on the nail? It's there! Always has been and it's one of the first things that goes back up when we move. I still can never find my keys and it's the running joke of the house. Not being able to find other stuff. Like phone numbers or bills. I am famous for that too! Open the electric bill and throw it down somewhere and then have to tear the house up looking for it when I go to pay it. I can never find my license, my ATM card, my LIGHTERS! I am always late for everything too! LOL |
Date: 1/19/2004 10:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 58334
One of the Olsen twins has it too. Ashley I think  |
Date: 1/19/2004 10:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 6860
Oh okay! Thanks for clearing that up for me.  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 10:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 6860
It is very cool to see that these people have a disorder, yet the overcome it to do wonderful things. It should be a lesson to all of us that we cannot let personal "imperfections" or disorders stop us from doing something. It's not a crutch, it's a booster for us to work harder and prove to the world that we are just as good and just as valuable. Thank you again for sharing, Az. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 10:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 6860
Oops, I can't type today. Yet have overcome it to do wonderful things is what I meant to say. LoL sorry. |
Date: 1/19/2004 10:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 17275
Very interesting indeed! Thanks Azair!!!  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 10:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 25756
Actually, it's Mary-Kate Olsen that has it... |
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Date: 1/19/2004 11:59:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
FOR AO: I have strong feelings about a situation like that with myself. They did pass a law here last year that stated the teachers were not allowed to recommend testing, or medication for ADD/ADHD because for obvious reasons they are not medical doctors. However a true medical evaluation contains the teacher. There are questionaires miles long that parents, teachers, and any other caretakers have to answer. Based on those answers they continue testing further. I think that a teacher should be able to recommend that your child be tested. Afterall there are many teachers that have been teaching kids for 20, 30, 40 plus some years. My daughter's teacher is in her 50's and has been doing this for 30 plus years. They have our children 7 hours out of the day which tends in most families to be more waking hours than what you the parent has with them. Who (in most cases) would better know any and all difficulties your children may be having. I don't think that medication should be an issue of force, but I do think that the teacher should be able to recommend the testing. Afterall if your kids teacher told you that your child was pulling at his ear and tucking it into his shoulder all day and that you might want to take him and get him checked for an ear infection, you would jump right out and do it. Some people just don't know, and if no one recommends it, the only one that really suffered is your child. |
Date: 1/19/2004 1:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
Very interesting! As you know Az, my Daughter has ADD and its a very REAL condition. I recommend anyone that doesnt know about the condition or doesnt believe it to be a real condition, spend some time with a child with ADD or ADHD and then tell me there is no problem. I KNOW my Daughter is doing much better since going through the testing for ADD. She is medicated and doing very well with the medications.  |
Date: 1/19/2004 1:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 38601
Mozart? wow...  |
Date: 1/19/2004 3:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
How can they know that Ben Franklin and Emerson and Emily Dickinson had it? I wasn't defined at that time in history?  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 3:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
It, not I |
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Date: 1/19/2004 3:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
ADHD, ADD wasn't officially classified until 1980 |
Date: 1/19/2004 3:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 27403
Just think, we could have drugged all of those people up when they were children and what would we have lost? Ummmmm.......sure makes you think about today's solutions!!!
Love and Light  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 3:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
FOR AO: Like I said I wouldn't agree with those kinds of tactics but I do believe that a teacher should be able to make a positive suggestion. My daughter is doing VERY well with the medication... |
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Date: 1/19/2004 3:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Keth they are able to do this by going through the lives of these people through their biographies, diaries, notes and interviews with relatives. These are famous people whose lives have been put on display for years. Just because a disorder wasn't classified as one years ago, doesn't mean that it didn't exist. That would be like cancer not existing before we found it or knew what to call it. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 3:49:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Lady Luck, you know you made the right decision. Those of us with children that have it, know that regardless if those who haven't a clue about it don't think so.. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 3:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Lightworker, we can't say for sure that none of these people were "drugged up". There are some youngins on that list. It would also be interesting to see how many of them were untreated, or treated and have been addicted or abused drugs and alcohol. |
Date: 1/19/2004 3:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
I guess the fact that all those people have the so called "illness" just proves it isn't as serious as some people want to pretend it is.  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 3:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
Kethria makes a very good point. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:05:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Dizzy why couldn't it be serious? Because these people are successful? |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
I don't think it is serious, even without seeing these names. I just made a hurried comment. I guess I was trying to say the fact that these people are perfectly normal shows that people with the "illness" don't have to coddled. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
And what would you define as perfectly normal? How are you looking at their lives and defining them as perfectly normal? Is it because they have fantastic careers and tons of money and that just make everything great? I don't get it. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
Basically I just don't care. I don't care about people with ADD or ADHD. I think it is an overly used term. Aren't I just evil? |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Yep you are just wonderful. |
Date: 1/19/2004 4:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Well, considering that these people on this list lead famous lives, without drugs, shows that, with the proper parenting, people can do just as well without being drugged all of the time.  |
Date: 1/19/2004 4:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 43807
dont forget about the serial killers.  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Crash that depends on your definition of success and with some of the younger ones on the list, they could have possibly been treated as children or are still currently being treated for ADD/ADHD. Why wouldn't someone who has ADHD, takes medication and successfully controls a $3 million dollar corporation be just as equal to those of famous statures? If I remember correctly Elvis had QUITE the addiction to alcohol and drugs did he not? Maybe someone else on the list doesn't. Some cases are not as severe as others. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:33:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
I also don't recall putting this up to discuss whether or not ADHD or ADD exists or doesn't. I was simply sharing some information on the subject. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Well, Az..you put it up, and people are going to speak their mind on it, no matter where YOU intend for it to go. If I had my way, people would comment on my posts, and tell me how great I am. Unfortunately, reality doesn't work that way. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
You can't predict which direction conversations will turn here... |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Whatever Crash. Have fun turning and twisting everything the way that you see fit. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Oh, I do Az, I do... *evil grin* By the way, could you give us referrences, as to where you got this info? OI would dearly love to find out more about this |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:51:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
You have a search engine. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 4:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
But, I wanted to see where YOU got your info. Scared to back it up? Asking for the link to where you got your info isn't a big deal. Why are you taking offense? |
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Date: 1/19/2004 5:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Crash if you had any interest in gaining any knowledge on the situation or becoming more informed I would be happy to help. However I am not going to waste my time when it's obviously not the case. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 5:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Oh, but I AM interested, Az |
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Date: 1/19/2004 5:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Oh, I found a few. Low and behold, "famous people THOUGHT to have ADD" as opposed to your "All of these people had this" |
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Date: 1/19/2004 5:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 27403
You know, both of my children were pretty well grown by the time ADHD was diagnosed, so I am not that well informed about it, but I did know a woman at work who had two sons, one of which was ADHD, or I will say that he was diagnosed as ADHD. Now, this woman, Melinda, was a brilliant person. And this son with ADHD made straight A's on the medication and D's when not on the medication. Now, he obviously received some genetic history from his mother, as she was very high IQ, as was he. But, in retrospect, I wonder how Melinda's parents dealt with her as a child, as opposed to Ritlin, etc. Or perhaps she was not ADHD like her son. But, the thing is, how much are we losing by slowing these precious minds down? Is there no other option? Could it be a food allergy that causes a nervous condition that appears as what is called ADHD. I remember when my son was born, he seemed to constantly cry for the first 2-3 months. His sister, Moonpriestess, had been such a sweet baby (believe it or not) that I just could not understand why a baby would cry and seem to always be so irritable and unhappy. When I told the pediatrician about it, they tested him and he had a milk allergy. It did not make hives, did not make him sick at his stomach, only affected his nervous system. They put him on soy and he was absolutely like a totally different baby. I just wonder if ADHD could not be caused by allergies to some of the synthetic and chemically produced foods that we ingest, that is affecting our children mentally? Love and Light |
Date: 1/19/2004 5:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 16442
Mom, you ROCK!!  |
Date: 1/19/2004 5:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Excuse me Crash, but do not accuse of doing something when I simply stated in the post that I found this on a site I was reading. THIS is the actual paragraph on that website that I was reading from before listing it. Myth #10: Kids with ADHD won't amount to anything.
Many famous artists, scientists, and politicians had ADHD as children. Here's a list of some well-known celebrities with ADHD: I wasn't changing any wording or putting out any false claims with knowledge. I just passed along the information as it gave on the website.
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Date: 1/19/2004 5:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Yeah, I read some of those sites about ADD, and i have most of the symptoms..but then again, so does 90% of the free world. Its what WE do, to overcome those obstacles, as opposed to getting doped up, and not worrying about it. Others can't handle it, and seek the easy way out |
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Date: 1/19/2004 5:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Well, if you got it from a website, we all KNOW people online wouldn't LIE now, right?? Besides, I notice that they mention Socrates as being thought to have it. By the guidelines stated, 90% of the free world COULD have it, it would take a doctor to speak to them, and diagnose it. So how they are claiming these people have it, is beyond me. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 5:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
But, like I said, some people overcome it, and some take the easy way out. *shrugs* |
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Date: 1/19/2004 5:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Besides, using their methods of logic, everyone without a documented death certificate, must have died of heart attacks, since all deaths occur when a person's heart stops beating. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 5:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Lightworker they go down to doing bloodwork to determine other causes. Explain how a drug that is a stimulant is given to a person that is hyperactive or inattentive. The reaction SHOULD be to stimulate that person even more. It's a speed. College kids are quite fond of Ritalin as a street drug because it's like they are pumping themselves with pots of coffee. YET it has the adverse affect in those thought to have ADD or ADHD. You want to discuss diet? Most kids would bounce off the wall when given sugar and caffiene, yet for some odd reason my daughter, the natural hyper child, seems to be the calmest one at the birthday party. While my son, the "other" child I parent who exhibits none of the inattention, hyperactivity or impulsiveness that his sister has, is literaly rolling off the couch, bouncing off the wall then diving onto the chair with his sugar buzz. My children also eat very healthy. My daughter complains that none of the other kids eat their vegetables at school and trades her fruit or her main course for the vegetables. My kids eat yogurt, fruit cups, cereal bars, and goldfish crackers for snacks and everything they eat is strictly portion controlled. I have a mother that is sick with heart disease, it's a pattern that you pass to your kids and knowing this I am very careful of how they eat and will not even allow my mother to fix their plates for dinner at her house because she gives them way too much food. My daughter is now on this kick that anything that comes from animal is disgusting and she is not eating it. They literally also eat every two hours because they are very scheduled with their daily lifestyle. They have milk in the morning with their cereal, my son has more at school with his morning snack and my daughter has hers with her lunch at school. Other than that with meals they have juice or water and all their snack drinks and inbetween thirsty drinks are water. My kids are very healthy and surprisingly are rarely ever sick. The basic things like diet, home environment, abuse or neglect are looked at first. I have been dealing with doctor's with one child who has a huge family background of it and it was 4 years before medication even became an avenue to go through. Trust me, it wasn't something I entered into even remotely lightly. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 6:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Crash we are talking about illness that can be mild in some people or severe in other people. Depression runs the same way. Some people just go through periods, other people have it severely. To say that it is the person's ability to overcome is in a sense correct, but it's all going to depend on the severity of the illness. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 6:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Depression, I can relate to. But then again, I generally deal with it on my own, without relying on medications to control it. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 6:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Crash, I am not naive enough to think that everything on the internet is the truth. I have spent the last 6 years reading thousands of pages about ADD/ADHD. I wasn't putting this post up in light to debate the validity of ADHD/ADD. I just found it to be something inciteful and a bit of hope for some parents out there that really struggle through this with their kids. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 6:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Crash and you are one of the lucky ones that doesn't go into deep waves of it. |
Date: 1/19/2004 6:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 27403
Az, I am sure it is not something that any parent enters into lightly. And, please believe me when I say I am not being critical and/or judgmental. I am being concerned. As we become more and more aware of the chemical imbalances in the body, and more aware of the chemicals that we are ingesting (whether in the air, the water, or what is being use to grow our foods {dead cows being ground up as feed for the cows, dead fish being ground up as food for the fish, i.e. the new salmon directives) I cannot but believe that some of this could be causing mental problems. And that comes from one who is much more intimately acquainted with mental problems than I would care to be! WHY is ADHD only now, in the past couple of decades being diagnosed? Why was it not prevalent before the 60's? What is different? Was it simply not diagnosed before the 60's? Or, if it was, what was it called? And, if it was not something that was prevalent before the 60's, that why the onset or the increase? This is a very very serious problem, as I am sure you will agree. And to be having to put our children on mind changing chemicals is a very very very serious thing! As I am sure you also agree! I am NOT SAYING that ADHD is not a real thing, or that some children should not be on medication. I AM saying that raising a few generations on mind changing chemicals is going to also affect future generations, as it is going to sooner or later affet their genetics. Do you agree?
Love and Light |
Date: 1/19/2004 6:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 60685
Joan Rivers, ADD? More like she wants all the attention disorder. Goes to show, even with a disorder you can still be a brilliant person.  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 6:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
And no, Az. I am manic depressive, and have been for most of my life. I just deal with it. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 6:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Lightworker, I think the increase in the number of kids and adults diagnosed could very well be something chemical that started something. Many sites state that it is something that is definately genetic, they just haven't been able to place it and there is something smaller about a section or the part of the brain that controls behavior. Could a chemical have caused that somewhere? No doubt, us women are pretty harsh on ourselves and probably had no idea that the laundry soap we used may have us injesting chemicals that are not so good. Or that shampoo, conditioner and soap has all those chemicals on them that you can't even pronounce, and without thinking about it you possibly fed some pretty harmful chemicals to your fetus. Who really knows? I think it was here a long time it just grew as the population grew. Since it's heriditary it will continue to be passed. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 6:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 27403
Is ADHD an actual chemical imbalance than can be traced with a blood test or some kind of physical test? Love and Light |
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Date: 1/19/2004 7:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Lightworker, the testing for ADHD is done with a physical exam, a complete medical history, as well as psychological testing. They rate using something called ( I believe it's ) the Connor Scales. It's a list of questions about your child's behavior, how they reacte and behave during normal routine situations. Mom and dad each fill one out and they are not allowed to compare notes. The teacher or caregiver also fills one out. Based on the results of those testings, developmental specialists and all kinds of therapists get involved, and then in the later stages pediatric neurologists do their check-ups. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 7:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
^^^ um hmmm. Veeeeery interesting. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 7:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
I know you can't possibly be implying that we answered questions in order to make our child out to be something she is not. That is laughable...LOL |
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Date: 1/19/2004 7:34:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
I have been spending some time on this site Lightworker, if you are interested in finding out some answers to your questions. http://www.newideas.net/attention_deficit/index.html |
Date: 1/19/2004 7:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Song bird it does exist, my grandson has it as well as did two of my kids, thing is they really didnt have a name for it back then. My grandson is much better on his pills than he is off of them and does so much better in school also.  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 7:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Crash it's a totally different link than the one before. She asked me valid questions, and this site seems to be able to answer a lot of them. |
Date: 1/19/2004 8:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 16442
I notice she didnt say WICKED  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 8:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Crash and what points were those? |
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Date: 1/19/2004 8:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
I have waisted enough of my time. Feel free to continue to play kiddies.. |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 27403
I am reading the site that Az gave me, there are some interesting things. One I just read is that when given an EEG, An ADHD person would appear to have a "normal" EEG, as in, no great spikes. BUT, in the theta brain wave pattern, though considered normal, you can see a difference between ADHD and non-ADHD. There seems to be a bit more cycling than there regularly is. Now, this is the state in which you daydream, or even dream at nite(REM), or when you turn your mind off when you are doing repetitious (sp) things. Which does seem to give some validity to a physical functioning that is different. At the same time, they recommend you DO NOT do an EEG to ascertain if your child has ADD, as it is expensive, ummmm...... I have heard way to much about teachers in school attempting to have kids put on ADHD medicine, because they are to precocious or rambunctious for the teacher to want to deal with. But, I am still reading. Very interesting stuff. Love and Light |
Date: 1/19/2004 9:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
AHD is a modern disease, but maybe they're saying all these famous people had it (in retrospect) to make sufferers feel like they're in good company. If they truly did have it I hardly think they would have had the attention span to do what they did.  |
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Date: 1/19/2004 9:30:00 PM ( Admin-13 )
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Date: 1/20/2004 5:10:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Lightworker, teachers at school are no longer allowed to recommend testing, let alone medication anymore. They passed a law (which seems to have gone out in many states and in mine last year) that forbids them to approach parents on the subject at all, let alone push medication. I have never agreed with a teacher pushing medication as that is up to a doctor and the parents, but I do think considering they are around children day in and day out and most have for years, like my daughters teacher this year, and they know what normal developing behavior is and isn't in the age group that they teach. I believe that the website I gave you said something about the validity of teachers in the process. It also mentioned how a teacher or I think it was more like the school psychologists and therapists can help and hinder the diagnosis. |
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Date: 1/20/2004 5:22:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Koolade why couldn't they accomplish what they did without having a normal attention span? You would be surprised at what some untreated people turn out to be. A cousin of mine that is in his 40's by no doubt had ADHD as a child, his own child is medicated for it. His wife is also a pediatric nurse. He was never treated for ADHD as a child or as an adult yet he has had a fabulous military career reaching the highest rank that he can obtain in what he specializes in. Then there is my other cousin who is my age. His dad, who is ADHD and untreated his whole life is first cousins with the other one that is successful in the military. He has a successful career working for General Electric, and a touch of an alcohol problem, his wife, also a sufferer has a great paying job with the State. Neither one ever treated, their son who had it BIG time because obviously both of his parents had it was violent and completely out of control as a child, treated and is now married and travels the world with a successful career in the Navy. No one ever said that ANYONE treated or untreated could never be or will never be anything. That's actually where the list for the post came from, off a site that was listing the Myths of ADHD and ADD. This particular one was addressing the myth that people with ADHD or ADD will never be successful. However statistically what they have tracked over the last 50 years is the majority of those untreated and undiagnosed have a higher tendency for drug and alcohol abuse, violence and end up in and out of jail most of their lives. |
Date: 1/20/2004 9:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 1631
I'd like to see the source on this, too. I find it hard to believe that "proof" exists that all of these brilliant people in our history were ADD/ADHD. Unless actual medical proof or personality tests were provided on these people during the study, I'm much more inclined to believe that this list is merely propaganda by the pro ADD/ADHD disease group (ie pharmaceuticals and pill pushers)...  |
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Date: 1/20/2004 12:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
It's not that difficult to find these lists with the same people, their famous quotes and parts of their diaries, their works, their bigraphies. Let's see. Try Americanbaby.com under their section about ADHD. I have the direct link to this list that I provided here but the thing is 40 miles wide and stretches the post. I originally found the links by typing in ADHD myths. I also stumbled upon another link under that search for a list that was similiar to this one again describing the myth that ADHD/ADD people aren't successful. I provided a link for Lightworker to look at just a few replies up that doesn't take very long to read, it's all in simple terms, easy enough to understand and tells you step by step how the entire process of diagnosing and treating it is done. As well as the clinical study, actual stats on just how much of the REAL population it affects. From reading that site I can say that they DO actually do ALL that testing, all that probing and fine tooth combing. I was on about.com under their ADHD/ADD section and found a link where they had quotes from people like Robin Williams, Zsa Zsa Gabor and many of the other LIVING people, as well as the deceased, that are here on this list. The information is all over the place. If you had a tiny ounce of interest in finding out more about it, you can spend hours going back through YEARS of articles and research done on it and the medications used for it. And we all know how much everyone would be willing to do that. |
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Date: 1/20/2004 4:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Hmmmmmmmmm..........I see those comments were deleted also. What a crock! |
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Date: 1/20/2004 5:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Are talking to me? |
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Date: 1/20/2004 5:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
I was referring to whomever keeps deleting my comments. |
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Date: 1/20/2004 5:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
Well that wouldn't be me but I am sure those will disappear too. |
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Date: 1/20/2004 6:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
I know, Az. I didnt THINK it was you, anyway |
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Date: 1/20/2004 6:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27046
I know, I read your post. |
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Date: 1/20/2004 6:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
that's scary, we're almost in agreeance |
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Date: 1/20/2004 9:02:00 PM ( Admin-MP )
Hmmmmmm....... interesting |
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Date: 1/21/2004 12:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Yes, it is |
Date: 10/7/2006 9:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 16376
Glad I am not alone.  |
