Date: 1/2/2004 9:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
I know it's mean to "steal" music.. but for Christ's sake, don't celebrities have ENOUGH money?  |
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Date: 1/2/2004 9:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
I mean really, if I could have 1/20th of what Metallica has, I bet I'd be set for the rest of my life.. lol |
Date: 1/2/2004 9:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 51463
I agree 100% with Rika, I mean that was pretty greedy and I think they lost some of their fan base in doing it. =-bootz-=  |
Date: 1/2/2004 9:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
Yes, it's not about the money, it's about the principal of the fact, like, say, you're a songwriter, you make a breakthrough album/song, you spend the time, effort and money to record it, copywrite and all that stuff, then you find out that by some program on the internet that people can download that album/song for free, despite copywrite laws, and it being distributed throughout the world, without anybody haveing to put even a fraction of time, effort or money into obtaining it?  |
Date: 1/2/2004 9:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
I think Metallica was in the wrong..so people are downloading music from the net and not paying..OMG..this is so wrong..I mean, in the past all we ever did was record their music off the radio or record from another person's cassette!!! Now we are reduced to having to borrow the CD and burn it which is oh so difficult...Please, when there's a will, there's a way..people will always find a way to get the music for free..they were just being jerks..afraid to lose even a fraction of their earnings. It's ridiculous..many people still go out and buy the CDs anyway..we just want copies to save that we can listen to on our puter as we surf or whatever..what's the harm??  |
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Date: 1/2/2004 9:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
still, put yourself in their shoes, what would you do? |
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Date: 1/2/2004 9:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
Okay..I might be seriously upset at first..but then I would look at it realistically, it's really not killing me financially, people are still buying my albums, I still have 3 homes and various automobiles, some people can't really afford $16-25 a pop for a whole CD just to hear one song that they may want..they're going to find a way to get the music anyway..legal or not..so why fight it??? |
Date: 1/2/2004 9:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
..and on a lighter note, after almost 20 years I think I'd be honored that someone would want to hear my music so bad that they would download it in the first place..some artists and groups aren't so lucky..I think some would be HAPPY to know that someone REMEMBERED them or their music..LOL
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Date: 1/2/2004 9:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
Still, you're going back to the financial aspect. I don't think it was the money at all, based on their recent summer sanitarium tour, they barely broke even on that, so they didn't do it for the money, they did it for the principals of the matter. You do make a valid point however, on the financial side, which the money they got after all was said and done, probably wasn't very much, they were probably sending a message, "Hey, we don't like this, please stop, this is our music, our blood sweat and tears, our callused fingers, our hours, and we should be able to say how OUR music should be distributed." |
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Date: 1/2/2004 9:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
But the problem is that they will never be fully able to control how their music is distributed. Like I said, there are other ways of getting the music if one really wants it badly enough such as we still have cassettes and even CDs capable of recording music from the radio (not as clear..but still works and was my way back in my teenage days), or you can borrow a CD from a friend or even a library these days and burn it to a blank CD..aquiring the music off of the net just happens to be a way in which an individual can be traced, unlike the other forms. |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
James Hetfield quoted saying "This is our music and we have the right to challenge the way it is distributed in any way that it is seen fit" |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
Also, a point that the musicians should remember is that many times, a person downloads the music in order to hear the content of a song so that they may see if they like it before they go out and spend money on the actual CD..sure, you can listen in some stores to preview but many have few working headphones, and many times alot of CDs do not have samples of the music. Once they have heard it, alot of times people delete it from their drives..you can't keep it there forever after all..takes up ALOT of memory. |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
sure..they have the right..I'm not debating that at all..but it definitely didn't garner them any good feelings from anyone, and it really didn't gain them anything in the long run. Sure, NApster was shut down and reformatted to a site that now charges to download..but for every site that shuts down, another will pop up..and for those truly in the want, they will fall back on old methods of aquiring the music. There were also plenty of other artists and groups who had no problem whatsoever with Napster or with people downloading their music for free. |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
Lol, we went from lawsuits to how much memory a song takes up, this is an elaborate debate that covers many subjects, lol, j/k |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
LOL..that was a side note..not really part of the debate..I was just stating that many times you can't even keep a song for a long time because it takes a lot of space..I mean sure, you can save to a CD but alot of times you just junk it cause you wanted to hear it but don't want it bad enough to save to a precious CD..those are reserved for the songs you HAVE to hear LOL |
Date: 1/2/2004 10:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 42519
The issue was, taken off an interview on either FUSE or MTV2, some of the issue with napster wasn't the money issue. It that even before a song came out, still in the studios, it was avaliable online. "I Disappear" for the MI2 movie, was out online before the movie or soundtrack did.  |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
Mostly because, at the time, most bands probably needed the recognition, metallica didn't, they had already been around for centuries, they were either bored or in extreme disagreeance with it, prolly both, but, don't get me wrong, I am a metallica nut and will stay on their side. |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
see, buffy makes a point that I forgot to address, it was leaks, people were tapping into files or something somehow and getting unreleased song and unofficially releasing them themselves, Linkin Park has also had words to say about that kind of stuff. |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 42519
Strangely enough, music off the black album was the most widely downloaded music and it is still one of metallicas greatest selling C.D.'s. |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
Yes, the black album was theirturnaround album where they went from singing about world issues and politics, like in And Justice for all, mostly, to singing about personal feelings and emotions. |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
Now I can agree that that is wrong..you shouldn't be able to release the music before it's even out..that is definitely wrong. |
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Date: 1/2/2004 10:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
Weel, this wraps up yet another great USM debate, stay tuned for the next one. |
Date: 1/2/2004 11:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
I think it was an unwise descision to (in an indirect way) sue their own fans. If they had all died in a plane crash they would have gone down in music history as "metal gods", but now most people are going to remember how lame they were for suing Napster. They went the wrong way about it, unlike the Offspring who took the oppertunity at that time to promote their music with free downloads from their website.  |
Date: 1/2/2004 11:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 62453
i dont really think it was either, they both had they're own wrongs, i feel that napster should have asked for permission, and i dont really remember much of metallicas part~Nightmare  |
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Date: 1/2/2004 11:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 62453
i also have to agree with rika, especially metallica, their one of the biggest bands in the world~Nightmare |
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Date: 1/2/2004 11:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
Alien, I disagree, they would probably still go down as "Metal Gods" because how many bands can be around for as long as they have, be dormant for almost 3 years, and come back and top the charts for a new album for about 3 months in a row and still be charted even today for sales? |
Date: 1/2/2004 11:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
I smashed all my Cd's that should answer it. Those greedy morons!  |
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Date: 1/2/2004 11:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
Once again, people are calling them greedy, greed had nothing to do with it, their songs were being leaked and distributed on Napster before they even released, for example I Disappear, that was on Napster before the MI2 soundtrack was released. |
Date: 1/2/2004 11:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
metallica while i dont like them or agree with their actions were actually in the right by law  |
Date: 1/2/2004 11:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 61893
I haven't heard a song from Metallica in quite awhile, not heard much from them at all until the lawsuit thing came up. I buy CDs, just bought Sheryl Crow's new one the other day, however I also still download music. I am kinda 50/50 on this debate.  |
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Date: 1/2/2004 11:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
to give you an idea on the "effort" put into an album, most of my friends are in bands with 1 or more albums, one of them being the band If Hope Dies, they all say its a crock of crap when people say it takes effort to produce an album because its not that hard to come up with songs and record them as you go then touch em up when you release an album, thats how i was always taught to make an album though |
Date: 1/3/2004 8:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 18527
The day Metallica starts making good music again is the day I buy an album  |
Date: 1/3/2004 8:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 19613
I do think it is stealing to downloads someones music IF you would otherwise have bought the cd. however, if in my case, the music you download, is something you would not normally buy, then i don't see a problem with it. i'm not stealing, because i would not have bought the music myself in the first place, and i'm not taking something away from someone, i'm only copying. if music is worth it then i buy it.  |
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Date: 1/3/2004 8:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
Dark Pheonix has a point, i discover about 2 new bands every day through downloading and file sharing, i see no problem with it. Bands should be glad they are lucky enough to be listened to on that level, i mean local bands around here get maybe 20-30 kids at a show and when they release an album only sell about 10 |
Date: 1/3/2004 9:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 37101
Eh, Metallica was in the right. But by then, their music was so far from what it used to be that it's just a waste of time to download it. Heh. All those downloading fans were trying to see if the old Metallica had returned... only to be let down. Long live Master of Puppets. -  |
Date: 1/3/2004 9:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 13283
Music costs to darn much !!! I buy music , but its priced waaay to high . Most music artists are just plain greedy . They need to make music affordable to their fans so we dont have to steal it . I think Metallica has lost its luster . Razzy aka  |
Date: 1/3/2004 1:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Well, in Metallica's defence, they did an album in 1987 or so, entitled "Garage Days, Revisited" In which THEY enclosed a price on the album cover $5.98, so that the record stores could not jack the price up. Napster? I can understand why Metallica would want to stop their music being dispersed for free. BUT, I can also understnad not wanting to pay $20 for a CD with one good song on it. I admit, I have several Metallica songs, on my comp. BUT, I also own the tapes for these songs, so, as far as I know, that isn't "stealing". I can make as many copies of a tape, or CD, that I choose, as long as I am the only one using them.  |
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Date: 1/3/2004 1:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24704
Yes raz, but the price is so high because studio time is expensive, copywriting is kinda pricing, then production and distributing. |
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Date: 1/3/2004 4:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
The only reason the production cost would be so high for them is because they are most likely recording with RIAA affiliated recording companies. Independent artists put out reasonably cheaper cd's then RIAA affiliated bands do, and the sound quality is not noticeable. Even if you go into a store and look at newly released cd's you can see this. Some cd's cost around $20 and others are about $11. Both of the cd's had to go through the recording process, both are copyrighted, and both had to be distributed. The only reasons behind this is that the RIAA (which is associated with nearly all recordings in the US <-their own website mentions this) chooses what the prices should be. When cd's came out in the 80's there were about $21, and some still sell for about that price even though technology has made the price of cd production go down. |
Date: 1/3/2004 10:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 49539
If Metallica was real about being musicians, they wouldn't care how much money they make just as long as it pays the bills(Which I'm sure they've had their share from previous years). Thus, why would it matter if kids-that couldn't afford to buy cds-downloaded their music? How dare Metallica shut down napster. Those wankers. (Hope I don't get deleted for that.)  |
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Date: 2/2/2004 10:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 13283
I have more to say on this . Metallica lost more fans . They were trying to cut their loses , but they actually made it worse . Lars was ridiculed on Southpark and he deserved it . He has enough millions . He needs to quit crying . Razzy aka |
