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The Bible vs Dinosaurs.........Souldrifter

  Author:  30747  Category:(Discussion) Created:(1/2/2004 5:33:00 AM)
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I realize I could be opening a can of worms with this and believe me, that is not my intention. Please give your opinions or ideas in a civil manner and respect those of others. Thanks.

My husband and I were having this discussion the other day as we were watching a program on the bible. It was about the validity of the bible. I make it no secret that I have a hard time believing what the bible was meant for in a religious sense. I tend to think it was an historical book written by men and women who "percieved" things in a certain way. Perhaps even as a way to control the masses. I don't know, I wasn't there. I DO believe there is a God and I believe the whole Jesus story. There is not doubt about that in my mind and I have very personal reasons for believing that. I believe the historical facts of the bible to a certain extent but logically, I have doubts. Having said that, this is the question that has been bothering me.

We have physical, scientific proof that dinosaurs existed. The bible says that God created the heavens and the earth and then he created man. Why is there no mention of these great beasts in the bible? Am I missing something? If dinosaurs were here millions of years before intellegent human life, then God didn't create the world like the bible says. And if that isn't true then what else is false?

Please, if someone has the answer to this, I would really like to know. I have my own theory but I'll save that for another time. And remember, this is not a debate. I'm just looking for answers. Thanks.

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Date: 1/2/2004 5:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 19460    i dunno maybe some form of people came before the dinosaurs? i am kinda lost on this one too.  
Date: 1/2/2004 5:46:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 30747    I'm lost too Froggy Baby. Maybe someone has the answer.   
Date: 1/2/2004 6:34:00 AM  From Authorid: 62478    Well one theroy is that simply we can not understand Gods time, and that we can not be sure how much time or evolution happend inbetween the days. I myself think that the world being created in 7 days is a metafore for something else well sorry I can't be of more help ......deathletgo  
Date: 1/2/2004 6:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 44960    My past life goes way back before the dinosaures. I was a huge experimental fig on a tree with no leaves. *eases out of post*   
Date: 1/2/2004 6:47:00 AM  From Authorid: 62338    there is in the book of genesis when cane killed his brother and god sent to some other land it talks about giants in the land.  
Date: 1/2/2004 6:57:00 AM  From Authorid: 51173    The word "Dinosaur" is only one hundred years old. Look in the book of Job for the words Leviathan and Behemoth. See if the description of Leviathan doesn't sound like a Brontosaurus.  
Date: 1/2/2004 7:00:00 AM  From Authorid: 27046    Some people are going to tell you that the Bohemeth (sp) that is mentioned in the bible is actually the dinosaurs. When you think about it, that can't be possible either, we have nothing that shows that dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. Your guess is as good as mine.  
Date: 1/2/2004 7:01:00 AM  From Authorid: 27046    Besides that fact, there is no way that "something" a meteor or whatever they think wiped the dinosaurs out, killed a massive beast such as that and just left little ole' us.  
Date: 1/2/2004 8:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 51173    Excuse me, it is the description of Behemoth that sounds like a Brontosaur (Bracheosaur... whatever they are calling it now). Job 40:15-24: "Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares. "
  
Date: 1/2/2004 8:50:00 AM  From Authorid: 51173    Most notably is verse "17": "He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together." - the tail is described as large, like a tree, and the "sinews of his stones" would be a reference to bones, namely the bones in the spinal column, which were fused together in support of the animal's weight, or "wrapped together", as the Bible poetically puts it. It is described as a plant eater ("...he eateth grass as an ox.", and lived in plains located next to scrub forests, which are most often found in valleys between mountains. Scientists at first thought these dinosaurs lived in swamps, using the water to help support their weight, but now they believe these types of dinosaurs lived on plains near scrub forests, grazing on ferns that grew between the trees on the ground.
  
Date: 1/2/2004 9:03:00 AM  From Authorid: 61894    Here's what i think in a nutshell. The earth isn't millions of years old. Maybe 20 thousand at best. There is proof of this, i plan on posting all i know in a little while. Dinosaurs died off after the great flood (noah's 15 sec of fame in the bible) because the atmosphere of the earth changed so that there was less oxygen and the largger animals needed denser atmosphere to live, so they keeled over and the smaller ones lived. There has been proof that man walked in the time dinos as well. A riverbed in the US was dug up due to massive flooding a few years ago and they found preseved foot prints of a large dino as well as human prints from the same time. Look for my post in a few weeks on all this. Hope this helped - CanuckBeast  
Date: 1/2/2004 9:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    I found this on a web site so maybe it will help. """"The Bible refers to many the common animals we know today. The list includes lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects. What is interesting is that this extensive list includes three animals that we no longer recognize. These three are (in the original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth (yes, it’s spelled correctly—at least as close as we can get in Roman characters), and livyathan.

Although we alter the spelling of behemoth and Leviathan slightly, we still use those same words in bibles today. However, tanniyn is always translated into another word when we write it in English. Tanniyn occurs 28 times in the Bible and is normally translated “dragon.” It is also translated “serpent,” “sea monster,” “dinosaur,” “great creature,” and “reptile.” Behemoth and Leviathan are relatively specific creatures, perhaps each was a single kind of animal. Tanniyn is a more general term, and it can be thought of as the original version of the word “dinosaur.” The word “dinosaur” was originally coined in 1841, more than three thousand years after the Bible first referred to “Tanniyn.”

How we got these new names is interesting. In 1822, Mary Ann Mantell became the first person to discover and correctly identify a strange bone as part of a large, unknown reptile. Her husband, Dr. Gideon Mantell, later named this creature an “Iguanodon.” From that time forward, these forgotten animals were given names chosen by the people who rediscovered them. Of course, the Bible, written between approximately 1450 BC and 95 AD, does not include any of these names.

Reading the Bible carefully, you will realize that no living creature matches the descriptions of behemoth and Leviathan. However, if you grab your kid’s dinosaur book, you will notice several possible matches for each one. Let’s examine those.

Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24

It “eats grass like an ox.”
It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”
Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.”
“He is the first of the ways of God.”
“He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”
Some bibles and study bibles will translate the word “behemoth” as “elephant” or “hippopotamus.” Others will put a note at the edge or bottom of the page, stating that behemoth was probably an elephant or a hippopotamus. Although an elephant or hippopotamus can eat grass (or lie in a covert of reeds and marsh), neither an elephant or a hippopotamus has a “tail like a cedar” (that is, a tail like a large, tapered tree trunk). In your kid’s dinosaur book you will find lots of animals that have “tails like a cedar.”

We would expect behemoth to be a large land animal whose bones are like beams of bronze and so forth, so whatever a behemoth is, it is large. A key phrase is “He is the first of the ways of God.” This phrase in the original Hebrew implied that behemoth was the biggest animal created. Although an elephant or a hippopotamus are big, they are less than one-tenth the size of a Brachiosaurus, the largest (complete) dinosaur ever discovered.[1] A Brachiosaurus could therefore easily be described as “the first of the ways of God.”

Comparing all this information to the description in your kid’s dinosaur book, you may come to the conclusion that “behemoth” is not a normal animal, it is a dinosaur—the brachiosaurus. """

  
Date: 1/2/2004 9:58:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm
That site shows dino tracks with man tracks.
  
Date: 1/2/2004 10:07:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    I think that noahs flood took care of them. I mean we KNOW they were here as we find the bones to prove it. Quick flood burial would be the only way that so many dinosaurs and other things could have become fossilized in the way scientists have found them. Animals and plants will fossilize only if they are buried quickly and deeply - before predators, decay and weather destroy them.Just because something is "fossilized" does not mean that it is millions (or even thousands) of years old. When the conditions and materials are right, a bone can become filled with minerals fairly quickly.
Researchers have found that chicken bones and wood can be replaced with minerals in just five to ten years. A big dinosaur bone might take hundreds of years to completely mineralize. It all depends on the burial conditions over the years.

  
Date: 1/2/2004 10:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 36704    According to the Bible man was created after animals. "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea..." Dinosaurs could have been extinct by the time God created man. Genesis broken down into seven days is to show the work week, work six days, rest one not that the entire world was created in a hundred and forty four hours.  
Date: 1/2/2004 10:45:00 AM  From Authorid: 27046    Just watch the age of the dinosaurs. It's either on the discovery channel or the science channel, can't remember exactly which one. It's a whole series of movies where they go through each species of dinosaur they have found today and they reinact the land conditions and the way that they survived. It's pretty interesting.  
Date: 1/2/2004 11:01:00 AM  From Authorid: 51173    Az, I have it on dvd - "Walking with Dinosaurs" hosted by Kenneth Brannagh. They did 2 sequels and 2 one-time specials - "When Dinosaurs Roamed America", with John Goodman, "Walking With Prehistoric Beasts" with Avery Brooks (who also does "Ancient Evidence" a show about Biblical Archeology), and "Allosaurus" and "Dinosaur Planet" with Christian Slater. My son loves them!  
Date: 1/2/2004 11:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 12084    Do not forget, the so called gap theory. The idea that an unknown amount of time transpired between Gen. 1:1 and Gen.1. Evidence from bible to help prove the theory correct is where God tells Adam to go and "replenish" the earth. In other words re-plenish, as meaning to do over. Thus, the prehistoric age must have been first and before Gen 1 and everything there after. The facts about the mentioning of the behemoth etc. is to let man know that God created them, and knows about them and that he also destroyed them. Gave the earth a face lift, and placed man the dominant specie of the creatures that inhabit it.  
Date: 1/2/2004 11:11:00 AM  From Authorid: 51173    Base, you are correct about the work week. What is also interesting is that the "days" of creation roughly correspond with the "epochal ages" scientists deliniate various events in the development of the universe into. Genesis so closely mirrors what scientists think the origin of the universe is like that many scientists have had a backlash against the Big Bang theory, attempting to prove that there was no single creation point, but some kind of ossolating universe, or that there is a "multiverse" where alternate realities exist. Ironically, one of the best proofs of the single Big Bang was recently made in an attempt to disprove it - Gamma pulses. The former head of NASA once said that when the first evidences of the BB theory began to come in, "...scientists worried that their colleagues would join the 'First Church of Jesus Christ of the Big Bang' in droves." as a result.  
Date: 1/2/2004 11:19:00 AM  From Authorid: 27046    PB, I caught parts of them cause my husband always has one or the other channel on. What I did see of them was pretty cool! They did a great job with all the computer graphics. As for the info in them, I don't know what the truth or falseness of them is, I just know what I did see of the series was pretty interesting.  
Date: 1/2/2004 11:41:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 30747    Wow I'm learning something new all the time. So the dinosaurs ARE refered to in the bible. Or at least some very large animal that no longer exists. That gap theory would make sense and explain alot too. I suppose I could assume that the bible is more about the people than animals therefore the history of dinosaurs would be thought of as inconsequential to the writers as to what the whole meaning of the bible was about. That would explain why the dinosaurs were more or less left out. Then if animals were created by God before man and not in the 7 days as we know it, then it would make sense that the dinosaurs roamed free for a while. THEN God created man and because of the ecological imbalance he flooded the earth (scientifically maybe by meteor) which WOULD cause extinction to lower species. It's becoming more plausible to me now. Thank you so much everybody for the insight. You've helped alot.   
Date: 1/2/2004 2:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 11240    Me too! Those Discovery channel shows are cool, and seem quite plausible with what they've re-created, even though 100% accuracy is not ascertainable. God Bless.  
Date: 5/29/2004 6:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 62593    I loved this post because I wonder about the Bible myself--I don't buy the whole "word of God angle" on it. I see the book as a way of controlling people. The God I talk to everyday is not the same angry one in the bible. I've always wondered about the dinasours too. Why are they not mentioned in the Bible? Great Post!

I'd like to suggest a book to you. It's called "Conversations With God Book I". It's written by Neal Donald Walsch. ~Satori Crush
  
Date: 5/29/2004 7:19:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/dinos/dinos.1.html  

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