Date: 12/25/2003 3:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Thanks FA. I believe you were on the posts I am talking about, but you were not attacking the member   |
Date: 12/25/2003 3:22:00 PM ( Admin-FA )
I know.. I seen this around way to many times also hun.. and its sad..  |
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Date: 12/25/2003 3:23:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Comment jump :-p |
Date: 12/25/2003 3:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 10722
Such is life.  |
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Date: 12/25/2003 3:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Thanks for your comment, Anomaly X |
Date: 12/25/2003 3:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 58334
I see it too and it saddens me a bit. There are so many great people I can't understand why we don't al get along. but I guess as in the real world there are such obstacles to be faced here as well  |
Date: 12/25/2003 3:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
Well dont know who you are talking about but personally if I dont particularly like something someoone has said or done I will avoid their posts and if I do read one and reply I will reply to it as if I did not know who wrote it...  |
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Date: 12/25/2003 3:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
It's impossible for everyone to get along but I'm not asking for that. I'm just asking for curtesy and politeness |
Date: 12/25/2003 3:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
thats how life works.. people aren't going to be nice to everyone...i've lost my faith in what we call humanity, so i just ignore it now.. not worth getting upset over since nothing will EVER change.  |
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Date: 12/25/2003 3:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
*sighs* Sad but true Emi...*hugs* |
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Date: 12/25/2003 3:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
That's great Jess, I just wish more people would do that |
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Date: 12/25/2003 4:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 58334
I know what you mean Crystal. Curtesy an dpolitness would be nice to have. When I post to stories I am always nice no matter how they are. I don't dislike anyone on here but if I did I would just put it past me |
Date: 12/25/2003 4:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 51049
I have not seen what you are talking about, but hopefully nothing like this is happening, and if it is, maybe the person is not taking it as personally as you are. You ask a question or post a story, and you get peoples honest opinions or reactions.   |
Date: 12/25/2003 4:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 53054
this is well written! LOLZ.....i like the way that you have written this post really! Anyways i havent seen this reciently, but it does happen, and i think that it is life....it happens all the time, so why would it not happen on USM...sometimes people just dont know when to stop and dont know when it is time to write a nice reply....and i totally agree with the saying if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything at all.....if i have a comment to write to a post, i try and get my point of view accross without being too absent minded of the writer of the post, but sometimes that is really hard to do! again great post....and Merry Xmas!  |
Date: 12/25/2003 5:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 12133
Because so many people don't realize that this is just the internet.  |
Date: 12/25/2003 5:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 60395
i am guilty of arguing--alot, but i try not to take stuff of the past into new debates.  |
Date: 12/25/2003 6:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 26452
I don't like going into debates for just this reason. I do notice alot of people get way out of hand, and if I see something that should not be said, I delete it. But I'm not on that often, so I miss alot. I really hope none of the other admins are letting things like that slide.  |
Date: 12/25/2003 6:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
well-I will reply first & then read the other comments. First of all, there is an old saying "Familarity Breeds Contempt". I think that is a true statement. I think USM'ers who have been here a long time have a lot of history togather. Some good & some bad. Also remember, you do not see the entire picture. You cannot see what is said in PM's & even other web sites that do NOT have a G-rating. There are a lot of USM'ers that nelong to the same discussion boards & trust me, sometimes despite warnings from Radman, hostile feelings carry over. Now, back to the subject of IM's & PM's. If we could see some of the stuff flung in there, you would understand a lot of the hostile feelings  |
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Date: 12/25/2003 6:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Now, that is not to justify what you see as "hateful" behavior. Sometimes people have an "off-day". Sometimes people simply mis-understand. One of the biggest problems with a discussion board is because we cannot see each other & hear each other's voices, we can read things into a reply, that was actually said tongue-in-cheek. Or with humor. |
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Date: 12/25/2003 6:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Crystal Peak-I agree, sometime the very worst offenders are the over-30 crowd. The very group that should know better. But the fact is, we only see part of the story, and maybe we should stay out of problems, unless it confronts us directly. Now-I will warn you, there are rules here at USM about speaking badly of Monitors & Admins. If you truly feel an Admin (who probably is looking at the "Author Only"'s) has been lax in being fair-you must take it up with George. I know for myself, I have been unhappy with fellow Monitors & Admins who I thought were adding fuel to the fire. But it is up to the Site's owners to correct that problem. Anyway, sorry for the long reply. |
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Date: 12/25/2003 6:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
BTW-Crystal Peak, this is a very good post. Thank you for writing it. |
Date: 12/25/2003 8:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 25756
*agrees completely* I've seen some nasty replies to posts...if you don't like the person, then don't comment! It's that simple.  |
Date: 12/25/2003 8:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 48993
i agree with agent Q ^^^ or better yet disappear for a few months  |
Date: 12/25/2003 9:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 24319
Do you know how hard it is for some people to keep quit when someone who thinks their crap doesn't stink says something completely stupid or irritating? I don't know of an exact post that you are talking about, but I know a few people of who you are talking about. And I am sure that those people keep their mouths shut more than they say hateful or rude things. I am guilty of it myself. Is it right? Not really, but I also don't see it being a HUGE deal. It's just the way things are. If the person who is having rude things said to them can't let it slide off their backs, they know where they can complain to.  |
Date: 12/25/2003 10:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 58078
Well I have a feeling I know who you are talking about and maybe you didn't catch all that was said in one of the posts that was written, but then again maybe you did and alot of times when people go back at this person its not so much of a personal attack but that they have said something to offend the person replying back to him.,..um or her. maybe "this person" should think twice about what they say first and then they wouldn't get a reply back that seems like a personal attack when it might not be, its just someone defending themself. If "this person" thought twice then we would all be like little thumpers cause all we would have is nice things to say. Eveyone has their opinions and everyone has a right to voice them...not everyone is going to agree or get along with others..it doens't mean that things should be deleted. That person if they were offended and it was their post can simply delete the comments themself...but they don't so maybe they want that response or reaction. Think about it.  |
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Date: 12/26/2003 12:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
Seriously, I had no clue that there really was a person, (or persons) that the Author had in mind when she wrote this post. And, as to the post, or posts in question that brought this about, I am clueless. I do know one thing though. If you post about something that conflicts with what some others believe, they will take it as a personal attack that you do not think like they do. In fact to take it further, they will think that every post, every comment, is some "secret message", or attack on them. There really is a big difference between tackling a subject, and attacking a person. |
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Date: 12/26/2003 12:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
And, I have to say, I have seen were a disagreement about a subject, gets turned into a personal attack. I have a REAL problem with that. Especially if the person baiting, flaming, or starting trouble is a repeat offender, "But they have strong convictions....", Yeah, right, But does that give them (or any USM'er) the right to say really nasty things? |
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Date: 12/26/2003 12:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 58078
BTW if its a post that I don't like I will just move on and won't reply and be rude..BUT if its a post that I feel offended by, I will defend if I have to. |
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Date: 12/26/2003 12:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
Sometimes I ignore it & consider the source, other times I go at it. It depends. I try to choose my battles a little more carefully. |
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Date: 12/26/2003 12:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 58078
When I said "this person" I mean the author of a post that is so called getting personally attacked not a person in general LSG. Like for example by what I meant with what I wrote in my comments...IF someone makes a comment about "woman" lets say and this comment can come across to females here as sexist and as stereotyping...ME as a FEMALE is going to say something that I didnt' appreciate the comment. It wouldn't be a personal attack on the person that said it and wouldn't be meant as a personal attack to them by me, it would just be ME defending myself against the comment that was said and I'm sure that person that said it would understand that and if they didn't and replied back I would clear that up that it wasn't a personal attack so to say on them but just that I didn't agree with their comment. But in the end....They have a right to their opinion and well as I do to mine. Everyone does. And everyone has a right to freedom of speech as well. |
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Date: 12/26/2003 12:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
I understand.....please forgive me. I am up WAY too late & probably getting a little muzzy-headed from lack of sleep. Goodnight Andrea. I honestly meant nothing personal to you. |
Date: 12/26/2003 12:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 12341
I'm not trying to be mean, but persoanl opinions are like rectums, everyone has one, but not everyone makes a major deal of it. I express my opinion but drawing "blood" is not worth it. Who really cares that much if everyone agrees or thinks the same way. Only a tyrant in my opinion.  |
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Date: 12/26/2003 12:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 12341
Yikes, I know I'm up too late! Sleep deprived and overtired! Plus I can't find my reading glasses. |
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Date: 12/26/2003 2:59:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Thanks for your reply Nimwae! |
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Date: 12/26/2003 3:00:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Firecracker, I really hope the person isn't taking it seriously. It isn't attacks on the person's post or opinions mainly, it's saying that this person has no *right* to have those opinions because of mistakes that they made |
Date: 12/26/2003 3:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 46527
<<<< sitting here hitting the refresh button just to wind you up....LOL!  |
Date: 12/26/2003 8:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
I know one member (who has now left) was personally attacked a lot. She had made friends with a person on here and unfortunately told them something about her past, but it was used against her by others. Moral is that even if you think you're friends with someone, don't give away your deepest secrets cos they'll likely use it against you and tell others. As Anomaly said... "such is life."  |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:04:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Thanks for that Lil_Leppy! |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:04:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Thanks for your reply Crash |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:04:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Thanks for the reply Music Girl, that's something more people should do! |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:06:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
I think it probably means a lot of people don't go into debates Moon Angel |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:06:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
lol, thank you for your reply's Lady Spirit Guide!!! |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:07:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
lol, that's very true Agent Q and DanniDarlin! |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:09:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Carrie, I DO know how hard it is, but I also know that it is possible to not comment. Thanks for your reply |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:15:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Auntie Ippie, I understand that the person (I think you have got who it is) can sometimes bring things on themsef, but when people are saying that they have no right to do what they are doing because of past mistakes. THAT is what I think is wrong |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:27:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
And again Aunt Ippie, there is a difference than standing up for what you believe and giving reasons for it which is what you do, because that is perfectly understandle and justifiable. But reading posts even if you KNOW you're not going to like them just to attack the person writing it is wrong |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:27:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Lol, thanks Brenda |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:27:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
*prods LSR* Evilness! |
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Date: 12/26/2003 9:28:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Koolade, I hate that that happened |
Date: 12/26/2003 9:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
I think one of the reasons for so many attacks is that big old thing, Henny penny told turkey lurkey who told the Ginger Bread man who told who told, who told. So really one doesnt know for SURE whom said what, and then many people will believe the lie, as it just depends on what person here at usm that you trust and believe. Like my mama use to say, the street goes both ways, and people should listen to both sides of a story, before they judge just the one person on the merits of a thing as many times a person will believe a lie of another person, just because they have a go getting personality, or because they agree with other issues with that person, therefore taking for granted that what they say is true, when in fact it may not be true. Then of course we have the reason of, " they just wont let it go." Interesting post.  |
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Date: 12/26/2003 12:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Thanks for your reply Firstborn |
Date: 12/26/2003 2:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 1225
It's sad, but I haven't seen it, I think. Though I do wish the debates could keep from degrading into insult exchanges.  |
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Date: 12/26/2003 3:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
So do I, thanks Neptune |
Date: 12/26/2003 3:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 13729
The Admins cant watch everything......People could choose not to treat each other like that, but we dont.......  |
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Date: 12/26/2003 3:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
I know Ritzbe, and it's sad |
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Date: 12/26/2003 6:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 58078
I agree with you there then Niecy... =) |
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Date: 12/26/2003 7:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
I know this is true what I said because the person showed me her private messages and I was apalled at what this guy and others had said to her. I won't mention names, but one person was banned later for something else and hasn't returned thank goodness. Another person is still active here so I can't say anything. |
Date: 12/27/2003 3:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
As LSG stated, there is a lot of history among some of eh older members, and especially those who are active in debate. There are also the spin off sites where some of the older members go, because they can attack each other outright. Personally, I do not care for the "Attack as Will" sites, and rarely go to them. I once was involved with several political debate sites, and after a time, it became the same old thing everyday, what with little debating, and more attacking of each other's personal beliefs. There are some things I feel should not be debated, because it does lead to attacks against personal beliefs. One is religion, and most everyone has different perceptions of their beliefs. The other is sexual orientation, since there is still research going on that is as yet incoclusive, and once again, it often attacks those of certain sexual orientations for things they know to be true.  |
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Date: 12/27/2003 4:49:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
lol....thank you for asking! I'd prefer to explain than for you to think I'm a fool who thinks everyone shouldn't stand up for themselves |
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Date: 12/27/2003 4:50:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
*nods* Thanks for the replies, Koolade |
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Date: 12/27/2003 4:50:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
That's true, Two Spirit, thanks for the reply |
Date: 12/27/2003 9:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Many times the very person(s) being attacked or who receive hostile comments are also guilty of doing the same things. You get what you put out. Anyway, I have read posts made on subjects which are interesting but when I enter with the intentions of leaving a comment, I read some of the comments first and the post has turned into a full blown fight and the insults are thrown back and forth, and the posts have strayed totally off the subject. Really, I haven't seen many here who are so innocent and needs to be protected from other peoples ridiculous comebacks especially when they are guilty of the same. Some may get frustrated and leave for awhile but then that's an option here.  |
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Date: 12/27/2003 12:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 40530
Thanks for your reply Rusure |
Date: 12/27/2003 12:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
There is only ONE person on USM that I tend to lose patients with very easily, and this person knows who he/she is.  |
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Date: 12/27/2003 2:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Koolade-I know. I also saw copies of comments & I was STUNNED. I mean there was nothing, not-one-thing, this person could have done to warrent the vicious attacks they rec'd. The fact that information, very personal information, shared when the USM'ers were friends was suddenly used to attack the other person, is repulsive. There is a BIG difference between arguing about an idea, and attacking someone with the most personal secrets in their life. I would hate to think that there are people who cannot trust others because they "might" be betrayed, but the truth of the matter is, some people are really that ugly inside. This is s good post. But, things won't change. Some will get sneakier, or take it to other sites, rather than "let-go". It's sad, really. |
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Date: 12/27/2003 2:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
BTW-I am the one person who drives LadyLuck crazy! :P I just know it.. |
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Date: 12/27/2003 5:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
I thought it was me who drove LL crazy! I know I drive nearly everyone else crazy.... but I really don't mean it with malice. So I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize now to anyone I might have offended. I'll try and be good. |
Date: 12/27/2003 5:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
LOL.....it's all good Koolade. I am one of those people who really like your comments.  |
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Date: 12/28/2003 7:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 33925
Errrrr actually LSG, NO you arent. |
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Date: 12/28/2003 7:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 33925
LOLOL! And neither are you Koolade. :P |
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Date: 12/28/2003 12:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
I know!..I know!..It is me LL..you Canadian goose you! :P~~ |
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Date: 12/28/2003 12:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
Oh R U SURE, YES its YOU doggonit!!! heehee...As if!! I love you to pieces girl and you know it!! :P:P LMAO!!! |
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Date: 12/28/2003 6:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
O.k......LL, I see how you are *big grin* |
