Date: 12/4/2003 6:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 14412
I am so much happier to know we can be described now..I really don't think a definition was neccessary at all about this to tell you the truth.  |
Date: 12/4/2003 7:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 25756
This doesn't have much to do with the definition exactly...but I read this article where **in general** women were attracted to both sexes and men were either attracted to women OR men...meaning as in a sexual way...I guess that's kind of obvious...I'd give the link, but the article has some stuff in it that's probably not G-rated. Sorry if this makes absolutely no sense....I'm spacing from studying chemstry for hours. Lol! Sorry...had to share that...okay I'll shut up now...  |
Date: 12/4/2003 7:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
and the point of this post is what? I mean NOT another homosexual post. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee  |
Date: 12/4/2003 8:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Same-sex attraction is common & has been around for as long as Humans have been around.  |
Date: 12/4/2003 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 62146
I am fine with same sex coupples it dose not really bother me once you think about it what is so wrong about it. It's just 2 people in love and we all should have the right to love how we want to.  |
Date: 12/4/2003 10:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 37872
That's a very interesting article in the 6th edition. I bet we could go back a few additions and trace a huge difference in that description over the years.  |
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Date: 12/4/2003 10:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 37872
er, editions... |
Date: 12/4/2003 10:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 44960
It should be noted that Transsexuals suffer from Gender Identity Disorder. There is a huge difference between sex and gender. Sex is what you are, while gender is who you are. A male to female transsexual has the gender of a female and the sex of a male. A female to male transsexual has the gender of a male and the sex of a female. You cannot change your gender, but you can change your sex to match your gender if you are a transgendered or transsexsual person.  |
Date: 12/4/2003 10:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
I do not need some encyclopedia to tell me what transsexualism is. Being a transsexual, I know quite well.  |
Date: 12/6/2003 11:49:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
It's a crying shame what our transgendered and transsexual brethren and sisters are put through, even in liberal cities like San Francisco they have to put up with lots of crap. I can't help but admire them.**** I didn't post this to spark debate (or groans, in some cases), merely to point it out. True equality for all Americans will not come around by itself. It has to be rammed down some peoples throats until they're so sick of hearing about it that they stop resisting.  |
Date: 12/6/2003 1:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
Ramming things down people's throats only alienates them. Understanding through listening and emphasizing, and a sense fo humor changes people's opinions. It's not lack of knowing it's lack of understanding.  |
Date: 12/6/2003 3:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Not just Gays and Lebians get harrassed, Christians get Harrassed as well, I know what it is like, I went through it too, and it was because I was a Christain, standing up for morals. I know what it is like being harrassed for who you are.
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Date: 12/6/2003 3:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
True, but when was the last time a Christian was killed in America solely because of their religion? |
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Date: 12/6/2003 4:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
Not just gays and lesbian and christians, but deists and atheists. They get harassed too because they stand up for truth and true morals. Yeah we've all been there Dkptrs! ughh |
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Date: 12/6/2003 4:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
I think it can be said fairly that at one time, all groups hve been the target of harrassment. |
Date: 12/6/2003 6:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
It is everybody, Black, White, Gay, Straight, Wiccan, Athiest, Deity, Jewish, Christian, handicap, all groups, have had harrassement in the US, even killed.
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Date: 12/6/2003 8:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Derek, check out a site called "Remembering Our Dead", and read some of the stories of the transgendered people that were killed. Harassment in this country is one thing. Being killed outright for who you are is a totally different animal. |
Date: 12/6/2003 10:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Homosexuality has long been a very controversial topic and probably will be more many more years. I just make a conscious effort to not judge anyone that considers themself to be a homosexual. Judgment of any person is only for God in my opinion and until I know everything about every issue in life... which will never be, I'll continually remind myself of that.  |
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Date: 12/7/2003 10:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
There have been Christians killed for being Christians, one example is Columbine High School Shooting and the Peduka Kentucky shootings, they were killed for being a Christians. |
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Date: 12/7/2003 12:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Yet it was done by a few people, it wasn't a nation-wide problem with tacet approval by society (or approval by dispassion). |
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Date: 12/7/2003 9:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Derek, check out the site. You will find that some of those who did the killings of transgendered persons proclaimed to be devout Christians. Of course, I know you won't go to it. The truth bothers you. |
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Date: 12/8/2003 4:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
Derek, I also noticed that you were the one who could not remain on topic, and had to throw something else in to try and make this a debate. You are good at the pity me game. The only problem is, no one is pitying you. |
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Date: 12/8/2003 5:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
I don't want pity from Liberals. For you info, I did go to it and check it out. |
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Date: 12/8/2003 6:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Cool it you two. You're getting a little too heated from this USMers perspective. |
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Date: 12/8/2003 6:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
I did went to that site Two Spirit that you were talking about. I will say these stories are sad, and should never been murder. For being transgendered, that is no reason to kill someone. You may not believe me, but I do condem every one of those murders. In some cases, I condem the Police and invesigators for doing a terrible job at the invesigation. I did went to that site like I said, The only mention of Christianity that I found on all the victims was one guy, it only mention that he was a Pastor. I could find no other mentioning of any of these killers devouted to Christianity. I am not the one wanting pity, I do not want any pity from any Liberals. The Gay Lesbian Bisexual and Transgender community is the one seeking pity. I do not feel sorry for anyone apart of the Gay community, anymore than I feel for any other Group. |
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Date: 12/8/2003 6:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Nothing to cool, just setting the story backon track. Derek, I am anything but a liberal. Do not curse me that way. I am moderate. We are the ones that keep things in check. |
Date: 12/8/2003 6:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Two Spirit I was not the one brought that up, it was neptune that brough it up, her response is two before the first one I did.
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Date: 12/8/2003 6:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Well Derek, if you had read the stories, you would have known of the murder in California of the former Mormon, and the ties to religion that case had. So you will know, there is at least one transgendered pastor that I know of. In fact, they went before a board of almost 50 of their peers to maintain their clergy, and it was rules that there is nothing in the Bible that speaks against transgendered. In fact, there is a published article on the web site for the group I work with that totally dispells any myths concerning transgenderism and christianity. It was written by a person I know to be a very devout Christian. As for pity, I ask for no one's pity. My spirituality is strong enough to carry me through anything that arises, including christian hate mongers who constantly condemn the LGBT. |
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Date: 12/8/2003 6:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Derek hit it on the head: no pity. Perhaps if people realized that pity is not what we (the LGBT community) are after. Respect and equality. No more. No less. |
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Date: 12/9/2003 10:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
Two Spirit, I have never condenmed anyone who is Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, or Transgender. I do not hate such people, speaking against is NOT HATRED( it can be, ussually it is not, in this case it is NOT hatred). Two Spirit, you should know that there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between hating homosexuals and hating homosexaulity. There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between the two. I don't know how to get you to realize that. Do not interchange one for another, because there is a differnce between the two. Either you can't get it in your head, or you won't. |
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Date: 12/9/2003 1:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
What you're saying Drkptrs is that you don't hate homosexuals but you hate what they do? In the eyes of homophobic thug they're one and the same. He wouldn't separate the person from the act. It's like saying I don't hate christians, but I hate christianity. Or, I don't hate people who are nazis but I hate nazism. You see people will backpeddle on this and justify what they say by referring not to the person but to what they do. |
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Date: 12/9/2003 3:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Thank you Koolade. Derek, you have repeatedly sopken out against everything the LGBT tries to do, including gaining equeality under the law, and protection from persecution. You have also repeatedly stated that the facts, when given, are false. A person's words and actions speak volumes, and you words show your hatred towards homosexuals. |
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Date: 12/9/2003 4:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Two Spirit, I have friends who are gay, they do agree with me that gay rights are going to far. I do not hate anybody, base on my definition of hate. I am a very tolerant person, base on my definition of tolerance. |
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Date: 12/9/2003 6:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
"I have friends who are gay". You know, a group was discussing one day people who are against homosexuals. Do you know the one phrase that they all used? "I have friends who are gay". Well, I have freinds that are Christian. How do I know they are friends? Because they do not try to condemn me, but welcome me with open arms. How do I know they are Christian, besides going to church? Because they judge no on, but accept that we were all made different. |
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Date: 12/9/2003 6:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
I told you why you are wrong, and what I based it on(if you forget the Bible), NOW you tell me, you say I am wrong(which the 1st Admetment you are entiled to believe that I am wrong, free country.), you say I am wrong my I ask what do you base that on. I am interested to see your answer to my question. You say I am wrong, what do you base that on. |
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Date: 12/10/2003 5:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Derek, I find it hard, nay impossible to believe that your gay friends would say that they're rights go too far. Few people of any class or distintion would say such things freely even if they thought it so. |
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Date: 12/11/2003 1:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Neptune, they don't agree with me in the fact that I preach agianst it, but they do agree with me that Gay Rights are going too far, one example is many schools banning straight pride, when Gay Pride is allowed. |
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Date: 12/11/2003 6:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Well, that example isn't gay rights; that's reverse discrimination against straights which is just as wrong as regular discrimination. But just as prohibiting a KKK meeting isn't taking black's rights too far but violating the KKK's rights, banning "straight pride" isn't taking gay rights too far but violating the "straight pride" people's rights. |
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Date: 12/14/2003 8:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Derek, you confuse rights with privileges. That is typical of younger people who have not been taught the difference. Rights apply to all people. Unfortunately, gays and lesbians do not have the same rights as heterosexuals. |
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Date: 12/15/2003 3:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1225
Well put, TwoSpirit. |
Date: 12/16/2003 6:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Two Spirit, what are you talking about.
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Date: 12/16/2003 7:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Figure it out. You are supposed to be educated, so it shouldn't be that hard to figure. |
Date: 1/12/2004 3:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
Neptune-So do you agree with the definition you posted above?  |
