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Fined for illegal possession of ashtrays

  Author:  15228  Category:(News) Created:(12/4/2003 6:06:00 AM)
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HERE is a story about Casey Stengel and a smoking pipe, from the days when he was a ballplayer, some 90 years ago.

He was on a train one day. Clenched in his teeth was a pipe — unlighted. The conductor came along and told him that smoking was not permitted. Stengel protested that he wasn't smoking.

"You've got a pipe in your mouth," the conductor said.

Stengel replied, "I've got shoes on my feet, but I'm not walking."

The reason for dredging up this yarn is what it says about a latter-day New York City law.

If it is possible to wear shoes yet not be walking, can you have an ashtray but not be smoking? The answer, obviously, is yes. But under the city's antismoking law, that means nothing.

As some New Yorkers have learned the hard way, the mere existence of an ashtray in a place where smoking is prohibited can lead to a summons. It doesn't matter if the ashtray is stored well away from public areas. It doesn't matter if it is used as a decoration, or to hold paper clips or M & M's. No ashtrays are allowed, period.

The reason is simple, said Sandra Mullin, a spokeswoman for the city's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. The presence of an ashtray might be taken by some people as an invitation to light up.

"Not having ashtrays and putting up no-smoking signs are two of the strongest ways to discourage smoking and to let people know what the current law is," Ms. Mullin said.

Since May 1, when the Health Department began to enforce the law in earnest, about 2,300 summonses have been issued, she said. A little more than 200 were for ashtray violations.

These are hardly huge numbers. Still, some of the summonses are enough to make one scratch his head and invoke the Stengel Corollary about shoes and walking.

In Brooklyn Heights, a video-store owner got a ticket for an ashtray that he says he used only to help a customer who walked in with a lighted cigarette in her hand. She had to put it out in something, no?

A more prominent New Yorker, Graydon Carter, the editor of Vanity Fair, received a summons because of ashtrays in his Times Square office. Inspectors, who had gone there on a complaint about smoking, found no one puffing away. But they did spot the ashtrays. That was enough.

"I keep them around to remind me of my youth," Mr. Carter said in an e-mail message yesterday after being asked about the incident. "They had not been used and did not have cigarette butts in them when we were fined."

One more thing: "Any city that allows you to keep a loaded gun in your office but not an ashtray," he said, "is one with its priorities seriously out of whack."

Many feel the same way at the Players, the theater-themed club on Gramercy Park South. As first reported in The New York Post the other day, health officials, acting on an anonymous tip, insisted last week on inspecting the office of the club's executive director, John Martello.

They found no one smoking. But — shades of Eliot Ness on the trail of rum runners from Canada — they came upon three ashtrays on a shelf behind a desk.

THEY were there just to get them out of the way," Mr. Martello said yesterday. "We had to get them out of the public eye. They were collected. Who thinks about throwing them out?"

"I think what I was most appalled about," he said, "was the constitutionality of them being able to come in and search my office. Unlike the police, they don't need a search warrant. They just walked in on an anonymous tip."

Ms. Mullin acknowledged that "there is some discretion offered to our inspectors."

"If we do see stacks of ashtrays," she said, "it is tantamount to the potential that people are permitting smoking."

But to Richard E. Farley, a lawyer who is advising the Players, the real issue is "Where does this end?"

"Can these people show up," Mr. Farley said, "and disrupt your law firm, your psychiatrist's office, your religious meeting, on the pretext that you're violating this provision of the smoking law?"

It is possible, in the opinion of those challenging this strict application of the no-ashtray rule, to be overzealous in pursuing virtue. One doesn't always get the desired results.

Another Caseyism comes to mind, this one from the 1950's, when Stengel was the manager nonpareil of the Yankees.

"Look at him," he said of a ballplayer. "He doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, he doesn't chew and he doesn't stay out late.

"And he still can't hit."

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Date: 12/4/2003 7:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 12133    That's ridiculous  
Date: 12/4/2003 7:57:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15228    This story reminded me of going to visit a woman who is in her 80's last year....I used her bathroom and right beside the toilet was a built in ashtray! He he..talk about an antique, amazing that people use to sit on the toilet and smoke..I somehow restrained myself from lighting up. I would never smoke in someone elses house anyway and I don't smoke in restuarants...even if they have smoking sections..One time in chicago I was smoking outside a restuarant...I guess to near the door and a lady made a big deal about it so I simply bit my lip (I could have said some insulting things about her) and moved away from the door.  
Date: 12/4/2003 9:50:00 AM  From Authorid: 3419    seems like every day we lose a little more of our freedom of speech, the right to live as we choose, and to be who we want to be......while all the while the good old by the people for the peole government seems to grow more into a government by the few for the few as the rest of our rights just disappear  
Date: 12/4/2003 1:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 62367    This overkill. I've never smoked but my brother does. Several years ago I worked on a military base. I was overjoyed when smoking was banned from the work cubicles and bathrooms. The ladies bathroom still has a brown ceiling from all the smoke. Smokers could smoke in designated areas like the cafeteria. A few years later, smokers had to go outside to smoke. One by one the outdoor smoking sites were shut down. The latest was that smokers could not smoke outside at all, even in the parking lot. This came about because the base commander decided that no one should smoke outside on his base. You could smoke in your car or I asume in your home.  

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