Date: 10/20/2003 3:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 62249
The government and Christianity are NOT trying to force anyone to belive any particular religion, but excercising THEIR rights to choose to belive in God.  |
Date: 10/20/2003 3:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
62249, You DO have the right to believe in your GOD; but you DO NOT have the right to force it upon anyone else. The non-believer has an EQUAL right NOT to believe in anything. Don't forget: religious LIBERTY also means freedom FROM religion.  |
Date: 10/20/2003 4:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Christians have just as much right to believe and express their feelings in God as non-believers have a right not to. It goes both ways and I don't know anyone "FORCING" anyone to believe in God, since that's impossible anyway. I also don't believe any TRUE CHRISTIAN ever believes they're more powerful than God. It's impossible to be more powerful than God for anyone.  |
Date: 10/20/2003 4:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
You have the right to practice your religion (Any religion) any where any time, there are no exceptions to that (as long as it is not hurting anybody). You also have the right not to practice any religion if you choose too. It goes both ways.
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Date: 10/20/2003 4:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
When anything states" In God WE Trust" just who are the "WE"? Does the "WE" include all citizens of the US or just certain individuals? The US is made up of many different citizens of different beliefs and all with the same rights. There is to be no respectors of persons. If we were to visit another country and their money said "In Wiccan WE Trust" would anyone feel left out? Would this be fair to the other citizens who are not Wiccan? Would this be "pushing" the Wiccan concept onto those who do not believe in Wiccan? Just something to think about.  |
Date: 10/20/2003 4:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 28125
I have only one thing to type...Absolutely not...there...that's my opinion...Love and Hugs...GBU...ICL~*~  |
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Date: 10/20/2003 4:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 28125
I am referring to the title of this post...just to clarify... |
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Date: 10/20/2003 5:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 62357
This is ridiculous, for one thing. No one is more powerful than God, be it Christians or non-believers. God created this world, and us, and whether you dont believe at all---or know He's real and still choose to 'go your own way'---or whatever it is this world prefers today....as soon as we have wiped His name off the money, the buildings, cannot mention His name anywhere without it being a crime of some sort, just mark my words, this nation will regret it. Why do you think this country has grown so powerful over the years? Sheer luck? I dont. I think it's because SOME still honor the Father, and are still praying for America to come back to God. Nobody can force YOU to do anything, but neither can you tell a Christian that they dont have the God ordained right to serve Him completely, without hesitation. I do believe that God has held this planet in perfect orbit for centuries, because of prayers of believers, not because creation is greater than He. Because of love. What if tommorrow, he grew weary of this crazy generation that despises His name more and more everyday, and withdrew that mighty hand that protects us, and we got nuked by some of these other nuts who despise Christians? Then what? Remember 9/11? It was a wake up call, I truly believe, and I think there's more to come. Darlene |
Date: 10/20/2003 6:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
If someone has the right to not practice religion then how is forcing it on them letting them have that right? It doesn't go both ways You Choose because non believers don't follow God so they aren't held to the same standards. If you say you or the government has the right to throw it in their face then I say that you are saying that what you want is more important than what God wants.  |
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Date: 10/20/2003 6:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
Of course it includes all citizens RuSure but I got exactly what your comment meant, hopefully so will others. |
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Date: 10/20/2003 6:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
Darlene, you sound like a Pharisee, you many want to read Matthew again. |
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Date: 10/20/2003 6:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Base, once again...you put words in my mouth. When a Christian expresses their believes it's often interpreted as being "FORCED" which it isn't. They can not be a part of that conversation if they so choose. NO ONE is being forced into anything and I definitely refuse to believe that. There are countries in the Middle East that force particular religions and some communist countries that prohibit having any religion. |
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Date: 10/20/2003 6:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
typ...^^^^ "when a Christian expresses their BELIEFS" |
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Date: 10/20/2003 6:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
If a person wants to attend church they have every right to do so and the non believer has the right not to attend. If you want to bow your head before a meal anywhere and silently pray you can and no one can stop you. If you want to have a religious conversation with someone you can but when you try to put God on money, in the pledge, in school, the Ten Commandments on a courthouse wall, it is forcing your belief on another person. |
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Date: 10/20/2003 7:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
Also You Choose, if you believe that under God should be kept in the pledge, can you explain how one nation under God is even possible unless that nation only consists of one person. If God gave people free will and he knew that people would turn away from him then how is it even be possible to have a nation of millions of people, under God? |
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Date: 10/20/2003 7:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 62357
Matthew 7:1 Judge not that ye be not judged. For with what judgement ye jdge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And, WHY beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's (or sister's) eye, but not considerest the Beam that is in thine OWN eye? A Pharisee probably would not understand that. I do. Darlene |
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Date: 10/20/2003 7:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 62357
Why are you bothered by the fact that there are references to God in our country? I'm curious.... |
Date: 10/20/2003 7:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
I was going for more along the lines of this Darlene: Matt 15:1-3 "Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread." He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?" Matt 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in." or from Acts Acts 15:10-11 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"
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Date: 10/20/2003 7:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
I personally am not bothered by it although I do think it goes against God. But, there are people who are bothered by it and I don't believe in people pushing their religious beliefs onto others. Timothy 24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth... I don't think trying to shove it down their throats is being gentle or patient. |
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Date: 10/20/2003 8:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Base.... I guess I just don't see the "big deal" with this issue. I think there are MUCH bigger things in this world to worry about and those that are worried about only these types of issues, need fulfillment that they aren't finding, in their lives. FYI....I wasn't speaking about you directly here either but being very general. |
Date: 10/20/2003 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 40089
No Christians and the Gov. are not more powerful than God and no not all people have free will .
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Date: 10/20/2003 10:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
does that mean you can't answer the question You Choose? |
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Date: 10/20/2003 10:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Base....."cannot answer the question" UH, not. Of course I can answer your question but it's one that I've answered a million times on this site. Yah, I've said it before, I don't see what the big old deal is with the words "under God." It's not HURTING them and it's been there long before most of us were ever born. Give me a break, don't people have bills and other problems in life to worry about. I wish that was my biggest worry in life...two words...under God. OH NO, its just TERRIBLE, it's making me physically ill to see and my eyes are bleeding and going to burst out of my head. I mean really, it's rediculous. NO offense meant. |
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Date: 10/20/2003 10:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
You still didn't answer the question, the question wasn't whether it was hurting anyone the question was how is it possible to have one nation under God if God gave people the right to dissent. |
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Date: 10/20/2003 10:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Yesterday, I saw in my local newspaper, a cartoon which depicted a fundamentalist with this HUGE rubber stamp running around stamping everything in sight with "In God We Trust". The cartoon had the "In God We Trust" stamped all over it, and even outside the margins. THAT is how I see it. IF it were ONLY the "Under God" in the pledge, or ONLY the godspam on our money, I'd not say anything, but that is NOT ever enough for the fundies; they WANT IT ALL; not just a piece but the WHOLE pie. And I won't bother to go into ALL the other many many intrusions into goverment and all our lives by the people who don't know our Constitution and or wish to ignore it all together. |
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Date: 10/20/2003 10:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Well Base, I guess I figured it goes without saying....obviously, since I believe that everyone has freewill, NO.....no there won't truly ever be one nation under God. It would be nice but it's not ever going to happen in totality. Does that change my view on not removing it though, NOPE. |
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Date: 10/20/2003 10:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
lol @ your cartoon Thinker, yep some people do think it's ok to push their religious beliefs on others |
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Date: 10/20/2003 11:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
thanks for answering the question You Choose lol |
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Date: 10/20/2003 11:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Like I said... If it truly bothers some people SO much to see the name of God or any reference of him anywhere, why don't they move somewhere that it's prohibited. But no, they'd rather infringe upon the rights of those of us who enjoy seeing the word God in places now and then. I don't see the words God everywhere at all, so it's the opposite battle that's being laid out. It's the rights of those who don't believe in God, that will supercede the rights of us that do by removing any trace of God. They won't stop until it happens. If God was plastered everywhere, like they exagerate it to be, they'd have a point. |
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Date: 10/20/2003 11:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
The US is that place that people move to, too get away from religious persecution. If the statement isn't true and we're not one nation under God, God's name is being used in a lie and used in a way that's against the constitution and against God granting people free will, so why do you think it should stay? |
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Date: 10/20/2003 11:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Base....It's been there for a VERY LONG TIME. WE are a great country and I believe God has everything to do with that. I understand that many don't KNOW that but why should their disbelief be superior to those who do believe? I still would like proof as to how it's HURTING them, that might explain the validity in removing it! |
Date: 10/21/2003 8:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
You choose, would you see the big deal if the mint printed “In Satan We Trust” on our money?  |
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Date: 10/21/2003 8:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 62357
My comment has nothing to do with Traditions, but truth... If you know the Bible so well, you must read it, or do you just sort out the scriptures to find something to amplify your points? Truth is...there is a God. You dont have to serve Him if you dont wish to. But, how in the world are you going to convince the whole world that it is work of a bunch of Pharisee's that keeps His name on our money and buildings, in our churches? If I said, "What sevice are you doing Him by this argument?", what could you possibly say? I stick to my last statement from Matthew 7:1 , and who is judging who, now? You'll judge yourself by your actions, and I by mine. Darlene |
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Date: 10/21/2003 8:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
Unprovable truths, right Darlene, that is what we should base our society on? |
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Date: 10/21/2003 9:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 34487
Phydeux....Satan has never been on money and for good reason obviously, so that comparision isn't rational. No one with any real sense would show any honor to him at all, let alone by putting what represents total evil on the face of anything. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 9:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
You didn't answer my question. I don't care WHY it is put on there, would you have a problem with it if the money DID say that. Just answer the question, it isn't a hard one. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 9:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
As for what you DID say..."Phydeux....Satan has never been on money and for good reason obviously," That is a matter of opinion based on your theological beliefs. "so that comparision isn't rational." Why, rationality has nothing to do with mentioning a big invisible man who lives in the sky on our money. "No one with any real sense would show any honor to him at all," So you are an expert on who is in their right minds now, and the judge of all? "let alone by putting what represents total evil on the face of anything." Evil, again, based on your own theological beliefs, not a proven fact, and not the belief held by all people. That is personal opinion based on theology. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 9:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 34487
Phydeux... I DON'T have to answer anything that I don't feel like answering. As for your question, like I said, it's an irrational concept and not a possibility for any SANE nation. I highly doubt that most people in the country, myself included would ever let that happen. Unless you didn't know, Satan is and represents pure evil and God can represent only good things. So why are you making such an issue over such a SIMPLE concept? |
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Date: 10/21/2003 9:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 34487
Phydeux...you continue to believe as you wish but don't push your dangerous ideas off on me. I'm not naive enough to even embrace such an idea. If you want to live in a country that place Satan before God and shows honor to him over God, that's your poor decision. I would never condone such an idea and that was PRETTY obvious from my prior comments. I didn't think I needed to break it down and disect if for anyone. Enough said. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 10:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
Exactly. You can refuse to answer anything you like, but WHY do you choose not to answer holds they key. You never back up anything you say. You just say I am spouting nonsense, yet refuse to reference where, or how. You refuse to answer questions (this is a debate, that is kind of the point.) You simply spout rhetoric, and never back anything up. THAT is whay I am making an issue. Unless you want to debate, you are wasting time and space here when there are people who want to DISCUSS the tropic, and not just spew rhetoric all over the place. Now, I didn't ask if it was rational. To me putting fictional characters on our money is irrational, so that is a matter of perspective. Now if you want to DEBATE the issue, I will be glad to. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 10:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
See, did I ever say I wanted to put satan on the money? Nope, I asked a hypathetical question, and you refuse to answer it. HEhehehe, where are you getting this stuff, I said no such thing. Ok, believe what you like, but I don't know where you are coming up with it. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 10:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 34487
Phydeux..not only are your comments rude in general but often there's no reason for the questions you ask, other than to stir trouble. I stated my opinion, it's not up for debate since the likes of you...will never change it. A debate is SUPPOSED to be a rational discussion of facts not a way for you to find criticism with others. As for not backing anything up, what would you have me do? I don't need any PROOF to back up my OPINION on the issue you mentioned. You don't provide PROOF to back up your opinions either, so watch the finger pointing please. As for my "wasting space" I consider your words a prime example of that also. |
Date: 10/21/2003 11:38:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
I would say it hurts the Christian You Choose, of course that's just my opinion. Break down what you're saying I pledge (a binding promise or agreement to do or forbear b (1) : a promise to join a fraternity, sorority, or secret society (2) : a person who has so promised, the allegiance to the flag, (devotion or loyalty to a person, group, or cause) why would your loyalty be to anyone other than God? Now does it make you feel better to say the pledge if God is in it? The only way it can remain in the pledge is if it doesn't represent any God of any religion which the courts if they allow it to stay will say it doesn't. But, when you look at who and why it was put in, it was in fact the Christian God. So, knowing that it was the Christian God, you have no problem letting the God you devout your life to and claim to love, be degraded like that?
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Date: 10/21/2003 11:40:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
Darlene, I say I don't allow his name to be trivialized, to be allowed to mean nothing more than just any random god, see my response to You Choose. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 12:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
This nation is made up of those of many different beliefs. When a person becomes a citizen of this nation are they usually seeking the freedom and the rights that are offered in the constitution which America offers or are they seeking a right to be a part of a 'supposed' Christian nation? Do we insist that any who comes to America must also accept a God belief? Do any who come to America have the right to the same freedoms that ALL citizens have? The same equal rights? Do we have the right to show what some citizens believe in and not show the beliefs of ALL who are citizens? What I am trying to get across is this..This nation came together by many who held a God belief. Should we hold all to what most believed then? Are we to ignore the rights of non believers because many citizens choose to believe in God? I agree that this is ONE NATION but not all belief it is UNDER GOD..Can all say "In God WE trust? The word "WE" includes all in America. How could this nation send a non believer to a war to fight and perhaps die for our rights and freedoms and not consider their rights as a citizen? Another thing, I see such hyprocrisy and mockery of God in the words "In God WE Trust, and in the "One Nation Under God" which supposedly represents our country. Take a look around..Are these words really true? Did Bush 'trust in God' to lead him in his decision to go to war with Iraq, or did he rely upon his own desires? Do most in the political fields rely upon God to lead them? Do most of the TV evangelists really trust in God to lead them or do they merely 'use' the name of God for personal gain? The entertainment world has some of the most unholiest people of this nation, but then they will object to the government ordering an offical to remove a monument out of a court room with the ten commandments written on it. God says "Why call me Lord and do not the things I say?" How many people walks from the inside of a bar room with a mistress hanging on tone arm, as they stagger to their car, then will object to the idea of removing the word "God" from our money, or to remove "One nation under God" to change it to "One nation undivided, which will justly give ALL citizens the same rights? Is it really pleasing unto God to have His name written all over something if it is a lie? According to God's Word, He is not pleased with such a thing. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 12:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
In my above comment, I am not saying I agree with those of other beliefs, etc., and I do not have to agree with them and I am not forced to agree with them..BUT, I do believe in freedom and equal rights for ALL, whoever they may be. This includes a freedom to choose what they believe and to have this nation to fight for the rights of ALL it's citizens. In the past, a non believer could not testify in the court of law. Why? Because they could not place a hand on God's Word and swear to tell the truth. Because this atheist didn't believe in God, would that make him any less of a citizen? Wasn't his rights stepped upon? Didn't he have a right to fight and say "Hey, I am a citizen of this nation and I insist on my equal rights?" All are entitled to this, regardless of who they are. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 1:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Base, I truly don't look at it like that and like I said people make more out of this "God under this and that issue" then necessary. Why only in the past few years have they started to have such issue with it? Perhaps a new hobby would help? ;o) |
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Date: 10/21/2003 8:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
I completely agree with your comments RuSure, every human deserves to be treated with respect and dignity and not made to feel like a second class citizen. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 8:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
It hasn't been in the last few years, it's been since it started but people like to believe it's only been in the last few years. Amazingly, God is significant to many people, but not important enough to the one's who would rather have his name defiled than to "lose their rights" to express their love for the God they have no respect for. |
Date: 10/21/2003 9:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
WEll base its already on the money, so perhaps the government is forcing God on you. But then the all seeing eye, which is occult is on the money too, but guess what, it spends the same, but you dont see a group of christians saying, " OH They are forcing an occult and pagan relgion on me." But I don't see it as shoving as much as a proclaimtion of a belief system. So are you saying we have the right to believe as long as we do it in private? I don't think so. Jesus said, ""Mk:16:15: And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.  |
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Date: 10/21/2003 9:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
Of course and letting the government do it for you by putting quotes on things is easier than having to do it yourself. Roosevelt didn't want it on money because he thought it was sacreligous, but caved in to pressure. Very nice side stepping of the question in the post. |
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Date: 10/21/2003 11:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Ok, you ask are christians trying to force people into following God, no I don't, I think Christians are doing what God has told them to do, and that is preach the gospel. Apparently the majority must have ruled or the IN GOD we trust wouldnt be on money. I don't believe that the government is trying to force religion on anyone, do you? IF so, how so? |
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Date: 10/22/2003 12:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Deb, I would like to answer the following, "I don't believe that the government is trying to force religion on anyone, do you? IF so, how so?" I hope Base doesn't mind. Deb, What would you call it if this nation had the words "In Zeus we Trust" on it's money and in the pledge would have "One nation under Zeus"? Would we as citizens be forced to either not say the pledge or say it and go against what we believe? Would this bother you? Would you feel that as a citizen you would have the right to object? Wouldn't you think that the statement of 'In Zeus we Trust' would mean that ALL citizens trust in Zeus? Wouldn't this be a form of proclaiming the nations religious beliefs? Would this nation be made up of only those who believe in Zeus? Wouldn't someone be stepping on our rights to belief the way we choose to belief? God doesn't say 'Go Force my Word on others'..He says, 'Go PREACH my Word to others'. It is left up to an individual who has heard the Word of God to either accept or to reject it. Notice some that went to preach God's Word to others shook the dust of their feet when some said "I do not want to hear it"? They didn't force it on anyone in anyway. This nation was built by those who had a God belief and this is good, but it is forcing those who are citizens and who do not believe in God by having a motto which claim all citizens believe in God. All citizens of this nation have the same rights you and I have regardless who they are or whether or not we agree with them. |
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Date: 10/22/2003 7:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
rusure, it wouldn't bother me, however, because it says one nation under God, I believe that at one time it was one nation under God. If it said one nation under zeus then I would think that at one time the nation was all under Zeus. When as a child and standing and saying the pledge in the mornings at school, I was not a christian, but it did not bother me to say it. I didn't feel forced to say it. Sure we all have a right to object. IF forced to say it now I wouldnt do it, I mean if it said one nation under zeus or some diety. Just as they are not forced to say it now. I've shook the dust off my feet at many people here on usm, so when I preach, still, I don't believe that Im trying to force anything on them, but I also know that many people read that are not members, I know that new members are coming in, and I feel that they need to see the other side of the coin. The people dont have to say In God we trust, ,they can insert any name in their they want to. I feel we have as much right to display our thoughts on God as they have to NOT claim a belief in God. We as part of this nation have the same rights as unbelievers and that is freedom of speech and expression. |
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Date: 10/22/2003 9:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 34487
I'll just agree to disagree on this issue. |
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Date: 10/22/2003 12:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 36704
"The words under God are trivial, meaningless, a content-free catch-phrase and do not establish religion." FB that's a quote from the side who wants the words left in. Are you forcing religion on them by having the words in the pledge, on money etc. That depends, is God religion? If someone believes it is then yes, it's being forced on them. Can you give me an example of a religion besides the Judeo-Christian religion that refers to God, as singular and with a capital G? If God, doesn't represent the Christian faith, who does and if it's not religion and really is a trivial, meaningless phase then I guess it is ok to leave in it but then why do you follow a insignificant religion? To leave it in under the constitution, it has to be that the words do not in fact establish religion. How can anyone who says they believe in God and do God's work allow his name to be treated that way or allow their religion to be trivialized and reduced to nothing more than a joke of a religion for what seems like no other reason than self motivation to be "right." |
Date: 10/26/2003 8:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
There is only ONE and He is Non-Denominational (not religious), and referencing Him is not forcing Him on anyone who chooses not to believe in Him. Likewise, not referencing Him is not forcing anyone who chooses to believe in Him to stop believing in Him. We live in a majority driven republic, hence if the majority do not have a problem with the referencing of Him then that is the way it will be. The government is not forcing anyone into any particular religion by using references to Him. The whole issue is about respecting the majority, which I find a lot of people just don't want or can't seem to do. No one is disrespecting the minority, since there is no forced belief. This country gives people the right to choose, and in those choices which govern an individual perspective, there is a wide range of possibilities. Once choices that affect the whole are made, a majority rules scenerio should be seen as bringing about some sort of societal order, not as a infringement on individual rights. Until the majority (and we know it's coming) say otherwise, live with it. God Bless.  |
Date: 10/26/2003 9:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
Deb. You dont understand, not everyone shares your "truth"/"reality" of One God having many names. Call it truth if you want, but its through your eyes.  |
Date: 10/26/2003 11:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Deb, Let's suppose when the black man began fighting for his freedom and his rights and the following was said to him? "We live in a majority driven republic, hence if the majority do not have a problem with you being a slave, then that is the way it will be." ??..Suppose when women began fighting for their rights to be treated as an equal and fought for the right to vote, then the following statement was made "We live in a majority driven republic, hence if the majority do not have a problem with women not having equal rights or the right to vote, then that is the way it will be."?? Were these issues really about respecting the majority?
Another thing, How is it not forcing what we believe onto other citizens by stating "In God WE Trust" on their money? This nations money is just as much their (non believers) money as it is ours (believers). Suppose the shoe was on the other foot and our money stated "WE believe in Atheism". Would this be truthful? Wouldn't our nations money be stating a lie? Honestly, Wouldn't you feel that you are not included? Would this be fair to you? Would you really state .."The whole issue is about respecting the majority" ?? Deb, This nation does not belong to believers only. It belongs to all, whoever they are, whatever they believe. |
Date: 10/26/2003 7:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Barb, you missed my point. What if the slaves and the sufferagettes were told that????? THEY WERE!!!! And they kept fighting until a MAJORITY of people thought the other way. "In God We Trust" will disappear from our money because we will soon (within my lifetime be under a whole new economic system. I am not into forcing anything on anybody, but again, some semblence of order needs to be had in a society, and while the majority hasn't shifted over the edge of dissension yet, doesn't mean I can't read "the Writing on the Wall". God Bless. |
