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| Date: 10/10/2003 12:28:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 62357 I failed to mention that at the time this happened, I had gotten away from the biblical teachings and had been meditating to tapes of Native drums, to help my anxiety attacks, and should say my anxiety level grew higher due to this experience, and I felt God was trying to SHOW me that HE was the only safe haven, and to stay away from other gods. Havent ventured back there since, and never will. I think meditation has alot to do with opening the mind up to LOTS of things......Some you'd be better off without. Darlene |
Date: 10/10/2003 12:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 39350
Not to ur first experience but I use to have demonic dreams and would wake up in fear with my heart racing! The Devil thinks he's clever trying to get the best of us but just keep praying about it. *huggs*  |
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Date: 10/10/2003 12:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 39350
....and when I was having those dreams it was around the time in my life where I to had strayed from God. |
Date: 10/10/2003 2:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 62344
Yes the devil is tricky so tricky in fact he may be the God you worship.  just something to ponder.  |
Date: 10/10/2003 3:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
I've been meditating for more than thirty years. I don't think that meditation or OBEs are connected to Satan. This experience frightened you, then you had the devil dreams. Those were most likely just induced by fear. Best of luck to you. Bob  |
Date: 10/10/2003 3:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 62289
best of luck ^_^  |
| Date: 10/10/2003 7:09:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 62357 Well I dont agree with it having nothing to do with Satan, and it just being fear. I had no reason to fear taking a nap that day, and I didnt go to sleep. This was far deeper than that. It wasnt a dream, and not a delusion, or a figment of my imagination. I was conscious, but couldnt open my eyes, or move. There are many types of meditation, and I do think the type I was using brought this on. I am a very logical person, and having this happen to me threw all my thinking into a whirlwind. The actual dreams were scary, but the OBE was not a dream. It still blows my mind how it happened. Darlene |
| Date: 10/10/2003 7:12:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 62357 And after my dream of Satan, I was actually more angry at him than afraid, because he is so cunning and devious. It wasnt just fear at work, but anger,too. |
Date: 10/10/2003 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 62104
I know what you mention first was your body trying to ob but whether or not your astral self actually left your physical body, I don't think so. You instead went into sleep paralysis. I used to get this too and like you, it really scared me and my fiance when I told him about it. He would watch me sleep to make sure I was ok. I didn't know what was happening to me and was terrified I wouldn't wake up. I would try to call out to him and couldn't. I think that, without any disrespect that you are so into the bible and god's way that when you steered away from it for a while that you felt guilty and therefore you had the dream about Satan. I don't feel that he had actually appealed to you himself, more just your mind creating this scenario, so that you could show yourself what you really believe. I agree with what Wild Bob said (I was trying to find a way to say that too but it didn't come out that way..LOL)  |
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Date: 10/11/2003 6:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62357
O.k., Next question.... What is sleep paralysis? |
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Date: 10/13/2003 10:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 62381
God is always with you If you are growing spiritually that is wounderful! Please dont stray from your path. If what you are learning and applying to your life is done for the highest good in gods love, harming none, please continue for gods sake. Meditation provides us with a calm place where we can truely feel our connection to god bringing us closer to him. Native American drums, Tibetan Bells, the sound of a harp playing are all sounds which have obviously been created by god and can be used to calm and center ourselves in order to connect and pray on a truely deep level. What many people forget to do is to recite there protection prayer ( in so many words asking god to fill the room you are in and surround you with the divine loving energy of the holy spirit to keep you safe from all harm and negative energy for the highest good harming none - I like adding the Lords prayer also, just my personal preference Of course negative( evil) dosent want you to grow closer to god. If anyhting you might be even more distacted by fearfilled thoughts and insecurities provided by negative energy (evil). Remember they will want to distact you from your path and self limiting beliefs are one of there weapons. Which can be very affective for them leaving us running back to church with our tail between our legs. When really , the loving beliefs we had gathered(armed with)and are the foundation we bulit off of(our beliefs)are more than enough when we remember what we forget, to fall back on our faith. When we fall back on our faith we are falling back into the arms of the Lord!! It seems that alot of people that I have worked with especially coming from a christian back ground (as I do)realize that there faith wasnt as strong as they initailly thought. They sometimes discover this when they feel terror or fear from the unexlained, including OBE. OBE can be extremely tramatic for many people who are not aware of what is happening. Remember god will not give you anything you cannot handle. For some of the more spiritual people I've consulted with it can be considered a true show of pure faith when you choose to calm yourself during this while praying to god that you are protected (note the protection prayer above)and filled with his loving grace. All though you already are protected it helps to say it to remind yourself to belive it. Many need to be reminded During these times the lack of true faith can allow of to feel as if we can being picked on by negative (evil). You are on a spiritual journey which is bringing you closer to god which of course negative entites do not want that. Although they have no control over you they feed off of your fear and lack of faith. You must fall back on your positive beliefs and belive what your soul already knows, that you really are protected and in the palm of gods hand. Alot of us feel confident in our faith in god until it is tested by any means which includes confronting negative in all of its forms. I have many friends and associates from many different churches and walks of life who love to read Sylvia Browne books. I find them to be most enlightening as they reinforce a loving relationship with god and can truely help clarify certain topics for many people. To each his/her own. Do what you feel is the best for your wellbeing. I have read "book of dreams" and found it most helpful. I highly recommend this book mainly because it directly address OBE / Sleep paralysis. I think you would find it not only helpful but quite comforting. I can go into a very detailed scientific and spiritual description on OBE / sleep paralysis but it would be very long and cant do it this moment. But,I would be more than happy to provide you with the info it you want itRemember, you are a child of god who has much faith and love to share and has more power than anything negative (thats your birth right as a child of god Educate yourself spiritually, build on your faith and with this knew found knowledge/faith (that has always been with you)you will harness. I hope what Ive said here has helped I can go into much detail on what has been addressed here if you feel you would like to discuss it further Lots of Love & Hugs ! God Bless You Sweetie!!!! By the way I belive you are more aware of the presence of something else around you because there is. They would be your loving spirit guides and gardian angels helping you on your path. They are with you to help and protect you in gods love. |
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Date: 10/13/2003 4:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 62104
I don't really know what causes sleep paralysis but it is when your body is in a state where you cannot move or speak no matter what your brain is thinking or telling your body to do, it just won't happen until you can snap out of it. Some times it can happen for a long time and is quite frightning- but don't worry, you are not going to stay like that just roll with it and let what ever happen, happen. I think that possibly during what ever state of relaxation you're in part of your body or mind projects itself far away (like in limbo) so that it takes a while for the messages your brain is sending to get to your body. I don't know if this theory is correct but that is what is seems to me. What's weird to me is that all this can happen though you're fully aware of it... like your brain is fully awake but the body is not. |
| Date: 10/16/2003 10:22:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 62357 Thanks for all your comments, and I have been doing some research on the phenomena of Sleep Paralysis, because I like to get to the bottom of things, for my own sake. It sounds a whole lot like what I have described above, in my post, and I do believe that's what happened to me. You can look it up under Google search "what is sleep paralysis?", and the description is exactly what I have experienced, instead of an OBE, though many use SP as a channel to get an OBE. Many diffent cultures have experienced this, and is said to be hereditary, and I believe that is true, because my Dad experienced 'waking up' with a cat on his chest trying to 'charm' him once, and I think this was SP too. I'm am a whole lot like my Dad, and probably did inherit this disorder somehow, but it still leaves questions unanswered, like how does anybody REALLY know if this is JUST a sleep disorder, or a spiritual encounter of some kind? People all over have experienced this, regardless of belief system, and I just feel like in a dream state, we Can encounter strange things, get serious messages, and have a heightened awareness of things we cant explain with science or medicine. I ve havent read about "the Old Hag" syndrome yet, but when my dad was a boy, he and his brothers would go spend time at their great aunts house, a VERY old house at that time, in the 1940's, and at night, an old woman would step out of the bureau at the foot of his bed and yank the covers off of him and his brothers, and this would happen over and over, and he said he didnt recognize her as anyone he'd ever known. I dont know, i'll just have to read about the old hag syndrome to see if Thats related to that occurence. Thanks again, Darlene |
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Date: 10/17/2003 6:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 62104
After my last comments to you, I went on to look up 'Sleep paralysis' on my search engine and read about the Old Hag you're talking about and I don't believe it has anything to do with an actual woman (hag) but rather it is the way of describing the feeling of pressure on the chest that can sometimes be felt when a person experiences SP, the slowed breathing and general feeling of something heavy placed the chest as if someone is squeesing the life out of them. I have also noticed that feeling when I get SP however it is not something I would describe in that way (Old Hag). To me I do feel like I may stop breathing and it was kind of scarry as at the time when it first happened to me, I didn't know if I'd come out of it or not. But how it came to be called Old Hag doesn't really make any sence to me. I hope this helps some. I also don't think it has anything to do with the experience your dad and his brothers had when they were younger. And yes I agree with you that once we are asleep, everything that we know to exist or not exist in our known world changes. There is so much we don't know about life. When we sleep, we are supposedly able to experience things so advanced that they only seem like dreams when in fact we may actually be travelling (in spirit) to other realms or worlds. I believe anything is possible and to believe that gives me great peace of mind to think that we never really end- that we always live and travel on. |
Date: 8/2/2018 9:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 998
These events you recounted was very interesting to read about. I liked your first comment here too. You seem like you realized that your distance from biblical teachings might have in some form contributed somewhat to the OBE. Very estute on your part.  |
| Date: 2/2/2022 2:04:00 PM From Authorid: 67822 How easy this post created in 2028 but the comments from 2003? |
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