Date: 8/26/2003 5:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
Not matter what anyone says on this post it won't go away. Just like the religious posts don't go away, just like the drug posts won't go away! there's my piece  |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Kurtvedder, this is a chance for all those who oppose them to vent themselves, nothing more. We may as well get all the veiws out in the open anyway
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Date: 8/26/2003 5:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
but you know that anything that is remotely derogatory against gays will probably be deleted by the admins anyway so there isn't much point! |
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Date: 8/26/2003 6:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Ahh, but they can post it in other posts without it being deleted. Why not here? |
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Date: 8/26/2003 6:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
Because this post will be dedicated to pure bashing of people. The admins will be keeping a closer eye on this one whereas others may be able to filter themselves through! |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
All I have to say is that it is getting annoying to see so many posts about homosexuality..Get over it already people..Worry about YOU and YOUR life. If it doesnt directly affect you and your life, then leave it alone...period  |
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Date: 8/26/2003 6:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
It shouldn't matter. I have read over 2 dozen comments in the past 24 hours against gays. If I have read them, then I am sue admins have. I am giving everyone a chance to post their thoughts on gays openly. |
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Date: 8/26/2003 6:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
ahhh but have you noticed what I've been doing. I've been doing some bashing of my own. |
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Date: 8/26/2003 6:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Well, this post is the palce to do. Come on people. 42 veiws already. I know out of those 42, there are people who want to say something. Go ahead, the gloves are off. Just keep it G-rated. Say your peace, even if it religous in nature. |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 44960
Well, if you gonna bash gays, then dont leave out the transsexuals! People bash gays out of ignorance. They bash transsexuals because they want so much to be like us!! After all, doesnt everyone have a male and female side to them?.... You know, I could make someone here at USM a real Proud Step-mother!! I could teach you things about yourself you never thought you knew!! I know some things about you straight people that ya'll are afraid to ask!!! Wanna be like the Priss? Oh, come on!! You just might like it!!! We could have a whole generation of little Prissies, skipping around merrily all over USM!!! It would be So much fun!!! (((PrissieHuggzz))) LOL!!!   |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
People are what they are. But I will say that being gay or a minority doesn't make anyone particularly special or noble or victimized. I despise crusaders of any ilk who seem to never rest until everyone shares their own opinion or sense of self importance or shows sympathy with their victimhood.  |
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Date: 8/26/2003 6:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
BTW I viewed it once. Well twice now. |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 30742
My best friend is gay and christian...  |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
People are fascinated with gays for some unknown reason. You know what's the worst? "Trendy" gays.. within the last year, over 27 (yes, I counted) girls in my school turned openly either lesbian or bi-sexual. I think they just like the attention, because being gay brings you alot of it, for some reason!  |
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Date: 8/26/2003 6:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
BCAR, but you yourself are a crusader. I have read your comments, and you fit the bill quite well. I was never aware that you are so spiteful of yourself. |
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Date: 8/26/2003 6:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
I have my opinions and I voice them. I claim no victim status what so ever. And I hold those who do in contempt. |
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Date: 8/26/2003 6:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Hold me in contempt all you want. I stand up for what is right, and that is what you cannot stand. The things I stand up for threaten your very manhood and the ideas you grew up with. Personally, I do not hold you in contempt, but veiw as a poor misguided soul. I have often wondered, were you Army, or one of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children. |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
TW..You stated "there seems to be sudden resurgence to make all sorts of posts concerning gays." Wait until you see these posts almost daily!..Notice how many posts and comment made against Christianity. Believers are called hypocritical, self deceived, myth believing liars among many other things. Believers either get use to it or they fight back or they simply walk away. I choose to walk away many times. Regardless, this post won't stop people from posting what they believe nor will it stop them from forming opinions and making comments. I am well aware that this is not a post made for Christian bashing but just thought I would use this subject as an example since it seems to be the hottest topic on USM. I used the subject of Christianity as an example to show you that I do know where you are coming from.  |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 62187
Priss ... I'll join ya dear ... Let's go skipping off together <<Baby Girl Sandi>>
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Date: 8/26/2003 6:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Once again you take a statement I made in general and feel it's meant for you. That I would call "victim mentality". Then you who feel you hold yourself to a higher standard want to do a little bashing of your own. You stand for nothing that threatens me, I take issue only with those who talk about equal treatment when in fact they are out for special treatment. Aside from that I will say I find you an articulate debator, but prone to take it on as personal. |
Date: 8/26/2003 7:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
I agree with you, Rusure. I think people choose to see what they want to see or what they see as offensive... and forget about what else is out there. I think everyone should be comfortable enough with themselves to say, "Their opinion of me doesn't matter." Get what out of their system? That'll never happen, unless they fully educate themselves. A tough thing to be done, but it isn't impossible!  |
Date: 8/26/2003 7:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
No BCAR, I am not out for special treatment, only total equality across the board. Since you do not belong to a group that does not enjoy that equality, then you certainly wouldn't understand
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Date: 8/26/2003 7:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Under law that equality IS there. Changing opinions, that may well be another story. And I'll also grant you that you live in a bad area of the country to change those opinions. It Will happen, maybe not fast enough to suit, but certain actions only fan the flames. |
Date: 8/26/2003 7:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I post about homosexuals, and homosexual issues. Why? Self-glory? No, not at all. Am I homosexual? No....(not unless you count my crush on Angelina Jolie, and heck, EVERYONE likes her)...I post because there are people in my own life, who I love & respect, who I call "FRIENDS", who will forever be stigmatized because they are different. I will make this even more personal, if I may. I enjoyed WS from the time WS joined USM. I enjoyed her stories & her comments. Finding out WS, was transgender did not change my feelings in anyway, except to make me respect her MORE for the courage & dignaty she has shown when faced by the worst ugliness people can dish out. I did not know "Miss Priss" was a transgender, until after the fact. Did my feelings change for Miss Priss? Yes, I respect the fact she can come here, to USM, KNOWING that there are those who cannot see beyond their very noses. Same with Baby Sandi, a sweet & sensitive Spirit. Do I feel sorry for these three? No...why should I? They are quite comfortable in their own skins. In fact I celebrate their "becoming". I celebrate the butterfly, who has shed the coccoon. What I do feel is "empathy". The natural empathy real people feel, when they see ANY group being victimized. I guess my point is this....I don't care that TS, Miss Priss, Baby Sandi, and others have changed their appearence. I loved them as men. I will love them as Women. Anyone here at USM who finds love with a same sex partner, will find if I like them, I like them. Homosexual, transexual, bi-sexual, and straight, means far less to me than a person's heart.  |
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Date: 8/26/2003 7:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Can you imagine what it is like? The copule in my neighborhood, Margret & Tris (yes, their real names) are openly gay. They have been togather longer than most USM'ers have been on Earth. They are good & loving people. But, now, well into their 60's, if Margret needs emergency medical decisions made, LEGALLY Tris cannot make them. Why? They share their lives, their home, their SOULS with each other. Yet, my state does not recognize that. That is a travesty. |
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Date: 8/26/2003 7:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I have gay cousins, both Male. I cannot image what they face in life. That Goddess they have loving & supportive families & partners. (Well, my one cousin has been disowned by his Mom. My family responded by dis-owning HER). |
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Date: 8/26/2003 7:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
People are what they are. Homosexuality is not a choice. It is not a disease. It is WHAT IT IS.And, people deserve respect. Do I favor homosexuals? No, I favor people I love & like in life. Thank everything that is good, my parents taught me to look beyond labels & see the a person's heart. |
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Date: 8/26/2003 7:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
*exits the post quickly* |
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Date: 8/26/2003 7:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
LOL@Rika..... |
Date: 8/26/2003 8:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 33286
I heard a story about a true gay basher on the news once, I believe it happened in my home town but can't verify that, it seems this guy was out beating gays, I mean physically, not verbally, anyway while this guy was pounding on this gay dude he split his knuckles on the guys face, needless to say there was a bit of blood mixing and the basher contracted AIDS...anyway, in my view gay bashing is too much like shooting fish in a barrell, lets bash things that need bashing, like reality TV.  |
Date: 8/26/2003 8:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
people need to stop looking at it as "us and them" they are people too they deserve to be treated equally and with the respect you would give to any other person  |
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Date: 8/26/2003 9:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 33286
I guess everybody is tucked away for the night, oh well, no reality TV bashing tonight I guess. |
Date: 8/26/2003 9:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 31255
The gay bashing was getting old at least a year ago... but I can only hope that these debates have helped to educate people and open a few minds. I wish people would really start to think for themselves and put themselves in other people's shoes... Live and let live...  |
Date: 8/26/2003 9:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
LadySpiritGuide said everything I could or would have spoken.  |
Date: 8/26/2003 9:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Guess one persons 'opinion' is another persons 'bashing'...really depends which side of the fence you're on. Peace,  |
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Date: 8/26/2003 9:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
...and I agree with Hack on Reality TV...its moronic...as one Comedian said "If you needed any proof of just how *expletive* up society is...take a look at these Reality TV Shows like 'Big Brother'. How is THAT entertainment? What do we have now? A group of people sitting around their house, watching a group of people sitting around their house!" |
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Date: 8/27/2003 2:26:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Well, as I look at the responses, I have to wonder where the backbone of some who constatntly speak against gays went, or maybe that is the whole deal, they have no backbone. Given the opportunity to speak their piece openly, they do not do it, but prefer instead to hide their comments deep within other responses, just like Kurtvedder stated. Several people mentioned the anti-Christian posts that also run rampant on these boards. If you look at the people who respond on both anti-gay and anti-Christian posts, you quickly find that over half the respondents are active on both types of debates. I thnk then it is fair to say that the reason we see so many of these two types of posts is because the parties involved are constantly at odds with each other as to their thoughts and beliefs. There are also several personal battles still going on among these boards. Some people look for certain other people to post any little thing, and then they jump on it like a pack of wild dogs on a wounded pup. Even when a post starts out not being negative, but asking a legitimate question, because of the person who posted it, it quickly turns into yet another mud slinging match. People, this country is slowly being torn apart because of many of the same attitudes that are evident on these boards. For example, look at the lines being drawn over a judge who is using religion to further his political career. He has managed to draw people from all over the country to one city to support his ideals, while others who oppose his ideals rally across the street from that group. They sling uncalled for remarks back and forth across the street at one another, and also at the media. That is not what this post is about though. There are two subjects that have been proven by time that can either make a country, or keep it's people at odds with each other. One is religon, and the other is civil rights, which the gay issue is, a matter of civil rights. In the 50s and 60s, the civil rights issue divided this country, and relgion was a tool used by both sides in that battle. Today, gays and lesbians are fighting for their civil rights, and once again, religion is being used as a tool in that fight. Until such time as people understand that all people have the right to the same personal and civil rights as others, regardless of one's beleifs or lack of, then these arguements will continue. We, as a people, can work together to make all things equeal for all people, or we will eventually see this country torn apart by petty differences. Where does it stop, and the healing start? That is a decision only those involved in the arguements can decide. |
Date: 8/27/2003 6:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 19092
LOL@Agent Smith about reality TV...  |
Date: 8/27/2003 9:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
I replied to a post about a gay bishop a while ago, but I hope that isn't being construed as being anti-guy! I said that I have nothing against gays, but I have against hypocracy. If someone believes that the Bible is the LITERAL word of God and it states that homosexuality is not acceptable, then the bishop is being hypocritical. That in no way derides homosexuals in my view. I personally have no problem with the gay community and, indeed, with gayness itself. I have friends who are gay. I believe religion is at the heart of much prejudice. If they cannot change the Bible to reflect changes in our humanity (as I personally believe they should), then it has to stand as it is. Bible believers often argue that the cruelty in the old testament was only a reflection of the state of mind at the time. So, if that is the case, the prejudice against homosexuals also falls into the same category... surely?  |
Date: 8/27/2003 9:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 30051
I have a question. If someone disagree's with you,is that bashing? If someone does not care for a gay lifestyle is that bashing? If someone feels it is wrong in the eyes of God is THAT bashing?  |
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Date: 8/27/2003 9:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
You know Cory, that's an interesting point. If disagreement is bashing then I have an epiphany, I am one of the most bashed people on this site. That does it I'm starting an organization, I'm taking it to the streets, you bashers won't have me to kick around anymore. |
Date: 8/27/2003 10:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 12823
I can say with all honestly after searching the depths of my soul, that I do not envy nor ever want to be a transexual, Miss Priss.  |
Date: 8/27/2003 12:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Aren't you "people" too, TS? You are one to sit here and make claims against people of the very things you do yourself. I saw where you quoted Galatians recently. Lets look at that, shall we. God is going to Judge us one and all. The way you used that scripture, was, so it seemed, to say that God is not going to care about outward appearances. So true. But He Will Judge according to WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE AND HOW YOU ACTED ON THAT CLAIM. If you are so blind to see that you put down others because of their beliefs then let me tell you right here and now, YOU DO. I have NOT ONCE came to this site and BASHED gays. If you have a different claim, THEN PROVE IT. I am right on with BCAR's comments. People are people, period. Equal rights DOES NOT MEAN "same". 2 + 2 equals 4. But look at that. One side of the equation is not the same as the other. Marriage is defined as between a man and a woman. It is a legal union. I have no problem with two gays becoming legally unionized, but MARRIAGE, by the very definition of the word, IS NOT AVAILABLE to two people of the same sex. Your arguments are that we should CHANGE THE TRUTH. My argument is that we give a legal union available to gays. If the term homosexual union is not the TRUTH, then what is? Same sex union? Gay union? Whatever. Hey, make up a word to mean what those PLAIN WORDS say, why don't you, and then no one has any problems with the definition. Why do you feel you have to CHANGE ANOTHERS' TRUTH in order for you to live TRUTHFULLY? God Bless.  |
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Date: 8/27/2003 12:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Very true Deb.... |
Date: 8/27/2003 1:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 58611
I have nothing against them, but I am seriously jealous of that walk they do, they look sexier than me when they do it and I am a woman! And stop trying to look so good! Alot of men look better than most women when they dress, You guys are just greedy, you get all the good looking guys already!  |
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Date: 8/27/2003 3:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Deb, who are you to tell gays and lesbians that they can not call a legal union a marriage? Prior to the recent addition to the US Code, marriage was defined as a legal union between two persons. Why not change it back to that. Although churches do perform them, a marriage is considered a legal, civil union. You can get married in a church, but if you do not get a marriage license, then it is not a legal marriage. Therefore, it is recognized as a civil matter before it is a religous matter. When a person gets a divorce, they do not go before the church. They go before a civil court. Therefore, in all pretext, a marriage is a civil union. |
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Date: 8/27/2003 4:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
*shakes head sadly-they missed it Two-Spirit, AGAIN.... |
Date: 8/27/2003 4:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Two spirits are you saying that if it looks like a cow, acts like a cow and can fill a barnyard with its stench it must be a cow? Anyway, guess I cant see it either, I agree with deb  |
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Date: 8/27/2003 6:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Therin lies the problem. People refuse to see things for what they are, and also refuse to compromise. |
Date: 8/27/2003 6:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
TWO SPIRIT, you are confusing hating homosexuality with hating homosexuals. There is a difference between the two. I have a love for Homosexuals, but I hate Homosexuality. I love the sinner, but hate the sin. In this case, hate homosexuality(The sin) but Love homosexuals(the sinner). There are some that will say that God hates them, I will never say that, because I don't believe that. I condemn the crimes against them. Just to let you know, I do not hate Homosexauls, just what they do. I don't know if I can ever get that through. I have a love for all people, I do not hate people(I may hate what they do). I do not know if I ever can get you to understand that.  |
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Date: 8/27/2003 6:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Since somebody mention about Marriage, here is the thing, weather it be a Gay Marriage or a Straight Marriage, why should the Goverment be involved, other contracts, and insitutions for the most part, the Goverment butts out, but why should the Goverment be involved in Marriage, that is the thing that I don't understand. |
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Date: 8/27/2003 7:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Date: 8/27/2003 6:41:00 PM THAT comment from drkptrs, I agree with. It seems to me that because we THINK its a sin, we think its morally wrong that ya'll think we hate the people. JUST because we refuse to compromise our beliefs in this area, then apparently we are not showing tolerance. God says be in the world but not OF the world. |
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Date: 8/27/2003 9:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Your key word there is THINK. In other words, you do not know, but you think, it is your opinion, it is your belief. I could care less about your belief. You speak of him speaking to you. Do you know how many people are in asylums that said God spoke to them? In fact, if I wee to start hearing voices sspeaking to me when no one was there, you can bet I would be seeing a shrink. |
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Date: 8/27/2003 10:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Hmmm...I'd say you do in fact care about her opinion, her belief...as you do other peoples opinions and beliefs (aren't they essentially the same thing anyway)...or you wouldn't have posted this thread. Caring about someones opinion/belief is one thing...allowing ourselves to get all bent outa shape over them is another. Peace, |
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Date: 8/27/2003 10:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 30051
Why did you skip my question right on by?? I was asking you author. |
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Date: 8/28/2003 3:27:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Agent Smith, there were two reasons for this thread. One was to show how stupid all the arguing is that goes on. The other has to do with a conference I am hoping to attend. |
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Date: 8/28/2003 8:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Well hon, you keep going to your shrink and I will keep talking to and listening to God. YOU say we cant know. I find that laughable as WE can know, its those that choose NOT to know God, nor hear his voice, that doesnt know. But i've said my two cents, and I'll leave your post to you now. As agent smith said, apparently you do care that people are not up with the gay issue. I dont hate gays, I do not like the sin according to the WORD of God. |
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Date: 8/28/2003 8:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 30051
That's so sweet. |
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Date: 8/28/2003 9:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
I will ask ONCE AGAIN, since it seems that EDUCATING people on the FACTS are being subverted here: Prior to the codification that you cite, TS, how many gay couples went and got a marriage license? God Bless. |
Date: 8/28/2003 12:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Even if you are Gay or Straight, even if you are born that way or a choice, you still would have to choose who to love and who not to love. Who you love is not genetically locked. I can think of an example. Let's say this girl is in love with this guy and the two went out on a date, she gets raped byt him, then she hates him. If you are still genetically locked to love, then she would still be in love with him. So right there is an example how who you love is a choice.
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Date: 8/28/2003 12:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
I just came by this post(kind of late in the post) and had to put in my two cents...I dont have anything against gays because as far as I am concerned it is their business what they do in their bedroom and ut of it...I am not going to condemn them for what could/couldn't be a sin(depending on your beliefs) because it is not my place to condemn and or judge....I will however ask you a question why is it when you state your opinion of someone/something it is called a discussion and when someone states an opinion/belief about this issue(and others) it is called bashing? True bashing is not right and should not be condoned for any reason whatsoever but saying something along the lines of I dont agree with what you are involved in is not wrong it is that individuals freedom of choice to form a belief based on their values and state this opinion openly just as you are able to form your beliefs based on your values and state them openly...it is no different and that is where I see a problem. Also I have stated this before and never really got a good explanation and was even accused of being homophobic/racist because of my veiws...why do you care what others think and say of your decisions in your life? Why does it have to be such a big deal that someone thinks your lifestyle is a sin?  |
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Date: 8/28/2003 8:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Jessica, to answer your question, I am very much into the civil rights issues where the LGBT is concerned. You would be surprised how much of what is gleaned from the internet against the LGBT is actually used to further their fight. Personally, I could care less what others think. When fighting for rights though, what others think can have a strong impact. |
Date: 8/28/2003 9:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
Here is my take, I enjoyed talking with Warrior Spirit incredibly lots,bad grammar I know. Anyway, I am glad for him and Ms. Priss for their mutual love and admiration of each other but Warrior Spirit has changed. I don't care about a persons sexuality, I don't care about what happens in a persons private life. I do find it, not really sad maybe more a barrier to have to change the way that I relate with someone because they have changed their whole demeanor. Two Spirit is an excellent orator and someone I respect but it was still a little strange for me when he changed so much and became a huge advocate for LGBT rights. To go so far as changing your name here shows me that you have finally accepted who you are and how you relate to others but I still miss some of your earlier views and comments.
I don't hate anyone for their orientation and I don't care for any drum beating from any quarter, gay, religious, homophobic any thing. Live and let live, don't push your views on me and I won't push mine on you.   |
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Date: 8/28/2003 9:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
But these days we Americans look at ourselves in a global light of places like Irag, Iran, Afghanistan. Our breed of democracy does more than let the majority rule, otherwise why are we fighting hostile regimes and terror networks? Our democracy protects the minority, the Buddist, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, and not only cultures and races but the rights of the minority, to live together. |
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Date: 8/29/2003 4:03:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47296
Magoo, I have been an advocate for LGBT rights for some time. In fact, I am one of the founding members of the largest LGBT civil rights group in my home state. |
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Date: 8/29/2003 2:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 13119
I think that is awesome TS, I fully support you in your endeavors. I am saying that you have changed, you are more open and honest with yourself and everyone else but it was a change none the less and it has shifted your focus. I still admire and like you but it is just another facet that is getting more face time now. |
Date: 9/26/2003 6:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 28363
So your gay, big deal. If this was the NFL they'ld throw the flag and charge you with taunting. Are there any other conservative values you feel like attacking? What is so mysterious or unsolved about this post? Nothing  |
