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Date: 8/26/2003 5:37:00 PM From Authorid: 45630 It depends on if they were born a homosexual or not or just whether they were just confused about their sexuality. If they were just confused then yeah! |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:37:00 PM From Authorid: 35720 Straight people turn gay, so why can't gay people turn straight? Alot of people are confused about their sexuality. |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:38:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 40979 true , if they were just confussed. But do you think someone who was born a homosexual could turn around ?? |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:38:00 PM From Authorid: 13428 I will probably get bashed for this but here goes...I think the only way that would happen is if they allowed God to change them. |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:39:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 Inate homosexuality cannot be changed. A person can choose whether or not to act on their inner desires, but even if they do, there is still the possibility of inate nature resurfacing. |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:41:00 PM From Authorid: 45630 nope I don't think so! |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:43:00 PM From Authorid: 35720 I agree with TwoSpirit.. you are what you are. |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:45:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 40979 So what if deep inside you are gay but you chose to date/marry a woman, do you think God will still punish you for it ?? |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:46:00 PM From Authorid: 35720 I don't believe you will be punished for being gay. |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:50:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 40979 Well for those of you who read and follow the bibl , do you think God will punish you for it if you choose not to date the same gender ? |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:51:00 PM From Authorid: 45630 Depends the hell fearing god that some people preach would but the caring understanding god wouldn't! |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:54:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 Someone always has to turn it into a religous debate. Why not stick to the subject. |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:55:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 40979 Because I want to know. Am I not aloud to ask a question ?????? |
Date: 8/26/2003 5:56:00 PM From Authorid: 43608 You can't truly change. It's not a choice. Trust me, I am one. o.o |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:00:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 My previous comment on inate homosexuality is a proven fact. If someone's God punishes a person for the way they were born, then I wouldn't take much stock in that God. |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:05:00 PM From Authorid: 45630 That is very true for isn't he the one who supposdely creates us all. |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:13:00 PM From Authorid: 33925 No |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:21:00 PM From Authorid: 35720 Any God who punishes someone for who they are isn't a very loving God in my book. |
Date: 8/26/2003 6:37:00 PM From Authorid: 42568 The only way a person is "confused" is if part of them is gay but they won't allow those inner desires to fully surface to consciousness. "deep down" ...we are a lot of things. Most of us never really know who we are throughout our lives because we have a built-in bouncer that doesn't allow certain thoughts pass the threshold. Thoughts that would allow us to feel shameful or unaccepted. I have never really understood why straight people debate this because they don't know what it's like to be gay. I'm still confused on this matter. What I think of as today is that people are born with TENDENCIES to become gay, obese, a drug addict, etc... Everyone has mental weaknesses. Take schizophrenia. It can be genetic but it can also be developed environmentally (but only if you have the tendency to be.) I believe it's the same thing with homosexuality... or at least for some. I've read many psychology books that have brought the concept of psychoanalysis into play here on this subject. I believe through studying people one realizes that people are born with a desire to be loved by both parents of theirs. I know, by being bisexual personally, that I have realized I have in a way developed these desires because I subconsciously desire affection from my mother. Many times through free association I've noticed that I view a lot of women as my mother. I also think though that there are many types of different people and this isn't true for all gays and lesbians. We are all unique and to stereotype one group of people wouldn't be logical. As for God punishing you for being gay... that'd just be like God punishing you for smoking. He doesn't like it, but it's not like it's a sin. I think in life, a person should break through those mental boundaries and discover who they really are... even if that is someone who won't be as accepted as the person they'd be inside a shell. I have known of a few people that have "changed" from being gay to straight. Only when they believed in God and asked for him to change him. I personally am having a hard time believing in God and there always is the possibility that that person could just be so delusional into the concept of a God, that they psychologically believe "He" helped them become someone else. Anything is possible I say.... |
Date: 8/26/2003 7:15:00 PM From Authorid: 42945 I agree with everything that Bethann says on this....it was a great comment....hugs |
Date: 8/26/2003 7:29:00 PM From Authorid: 29532 Not always. You can switch. |
Date: 8/26/2003 7:32:00 PM From Authorid: 59876 i suppose they could but it may not be in their emotional best intrest to do so. i'd have to wonder what a person's motivation to do that might be. |
Date: 8/26/2003 8:17:00 PM From Authorid: 53052 not without losing a HUGE chunk of themselves |
Date: 8/26/2003 8:44:00 PM From Authorid: 22080 i have heard of those that have claimed to but i dont buy it for one second, i think they were just being the typical experimenting college student |
Date: 8/26/2003 8:48:00 PM From Authorid: 12341 Bethann said enough! Nothing I could add or expand to that. |
Date: 8/27/2003 12:26:00 AM From Authorid: 34814 I know people who thought they were gay and it turned out they were bisexual and or going through a phase. I think anyone can change. Good debate! |
Date: 8/27/2003 7:25:00 AM From Authorid: 13283 I think you are like that way for life . Once you get a taste for one sex I feel you stick to it for life ! Some say God can do miracles ansd make gays straigt , but I have yet to personally witness that . Razzy aka |
Date: 8/27/2003 9:08:00 AM From Authorid: 54987 Nobody 'turns' gay or hetrosexual... they realise their true sexuality. |
Date: 8/27/2003 3:42:00 PM From Authorid: 1225 Well, look at it this way: Can you, as a straight person every envisage yourself turning homosexual? Your answer is no, right? (if not, you may need to rethink you position) It's the same for gays and lesbians. We can no more stomach straight sex then straight people can stomach homosexual sex (with the exeption of straight guys and lesbian sex). If a gay person declares that they've been turned straight, either 1)they're lying; 2) they're confused; 3) they're responding to some undue outside force, like peer or family pressure; and 4) they're still lying. |
Date: 8/27/2003 7:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 40089
They can if they (want ) too cause it's all in the mind . God Bless |
Date: 8/27/2003 7:38:00 PM From Authorid: 22080 they can if they want to? how about the kid who wants to and gets therapy, all forms, religous,mental even electroshock therapy, but still cant |
Date: 8/27/2003 7:45:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 Steelbird, do you care to back that statement with proof, or are you just blowing smoke. |
Date: 8/27/2003 8:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 40089
No smoke here just Facts . God Bless |
Date: 8/27/2003 9:02:00 PM From Authorid: 47296 Actually Steelbird, your facts are wrong. I did a post recently with all the facts and the links for verification. It is no wonder people look at us from Alabama as if we were inbred dimwits when we have people who still believe in myths instead of facts. |
Date: 8/27/2003 10:02:00 PM From Authorid: 15070 no........... |
Date: 8/27/2003 11:06:00 PM From Authorid: 15070 let me draw an analogy, o.k.? I was born an animal-lover. I love all animals. (except cockroaches). I even owned a black cricket in an oriental cricket cage. I brought home every orphaned creature, well, I still do. I will still stay up all night to love & feed orphaned baby bunnies. This is a part of who & what I am. My pets, are my companions. I am greatful they share their life with me. (Last week raccoons ate from my hand at Ft.DeSoto. I know, not smart, KIDS DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME). Now, could I live without animals? Of course. But my life would be a little grayer. I love Mexican food. I mean, I LOVE Mexican food. I cook it, I buy it, I eat it out. I HATE fish. Could I eat fish? Yeah, I guess....but I would be unhappy. But, technically, I could do it. Now, a person's emotional life, and sex-life is far more complicated than animals, or food preferences. But, I am a richer person, a more COMPLETE person, for "knowing" these things. |
Date: 8/27/2003 11:12:00 PM From Authorid: 15070 More personal- I tried to contact people with a mirror when I was about three. I enjoyed walking in the cemetery with my folks & feeding fish in the pond. Cemeteries were never scary, to me. I saw "spirits", (or as I called them then "Angels" my whole life. My fascination with ghosts, goes back to my earliest memories. I read a book on the Salem Witch trials when I was 12 years old, or so, in a school library. I felt physically ill. I had a deep emotional response. I still do. I believe I was designed, by nature to look "beyond the mirror". The first time I held a pack of my own tarot cards, I knew how to use them. The first time I called the corners, I was overcome with a sense of ....."KNOWING". This is what I am. I believe it is the same for my friends who have same-sex partners. |
Date: 8/27/2003 11:13:00 PM From Authorid: 15070 I hope this helps |
Date: 8/28/2003 9:28:00 AM From Authorid: 1225 Still waiting of those 'facts' you mentioned steelbird... |
Date: 8/29/2003 2:58:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 40979 Good point Kurt. I am with you now. I am confussed about God. |
Date: 8/31/2003 7:19:00 AM From Authorid: 50435 I'm not even going to bother reading the comments. The answer is no, homosexuals can't change. Furthermore, they shouldn't have to become hetero. If you're a dude who digs other dudes, or a broad who is attracted to other broads, that's your business. |
Date: 9/1/2003 11:02:00 AM From Authorid: 51070 Yes, it is possible. I read a story about a man who was a homosexual at 15 and by 17, he was out fooling around with women. Many years later, he married a model (woman, not man!). It's true. |
Date: 9/3/2003 9:25:00 AM From Authorid: 1225 That doesn't make him a heterosexual, nor can many 15 year olds make a positive determination of their orientation. Many, if not most straight males have had at least one homosexual encounter (by which I mean "all the way" in their lifetime, studies have shown. Does this make them gay? No, of course not. Many gays have been married, had kids, the minivan-- the whole sha-bang with opposet sex partners. That doesn't make them straight; it makes them sad. Trying to be something that they're not for the sake of other people's opinion. It happens way more than people think, and all too often in my opinion. |
Date: 9/3/2003 10:43:00 AM From Authorid: 44321 I have to say No,I really think you are who you are,I for example am a straight woman ,I can honestly say I am not going to suddenly decide I would rather be with women..But there are alot of confused people out there who have yet to know who they are,alot of folks are bisexual. |
Date: 9/3/2003 10:46:00 AM From Authorid: 44321 And no I am not saying bisexual folks are confused either. |
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